Kidgangster101 wrote: »

Kulvar wrote: »

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

No one would enjoy a meta where you die in 2-4 hits from any class in the game. The problem with this game is damage is so high and a lot of people say we need more damage when in reality we need less damage so fights will actually feel like a fight.

Of course, what is true in real life doesn't necessarily make for a good gameplay, but 2-4 hits is what a real fight feel like. If you need to hit more, it means you came with the wrong weapon or you're not effective with it. And I mean a real fight, not a fake hollywood fight or a martial art tournament. A real fight do not end when the oponent is dead, but when he can't fight back. Included in gameplay, it would make blocking much more important as being concussed would mean your character will /sleep for a few minutes, giving plenty of time for an enemy to whistle and kill you.
And don't think heavy armor would be such an advantage. Warhammers were designed to stun you or break your bones through it.

Bruh what are you talking about? You do know this is a video game with elves cats that talk and magic right? Lol take your real life stuff out of here you must be a NB trying to change the subject here to sound like you do or maybe you are just drunk lol. Nothing about this game is like real life because we can't do things or be a race like this game lol.

Remember there are 2 other roles besides DPS. Tanks and healers and if you bring damage up more classes die and we are basically playing call of duty with weapons..........

Read the first line please. That's EXACTLY what I said.
(Also, congratulations for the personal attack, very mature)

darkblue5 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

... There are lots of stamblades in pvp because the TTK is crazy low right now, players spec half tank and have to play defensively. It’s tough to learn in pvp when you get blown up in a couple seconds so a lot of players try with cloak. Truth is nightblades, stamina and magicka, are pretty weak right now but players play them anyways because of cloak.

Cloak is a really fun skill to use obviously, and it is sometimes fun to duel against without counters. Sure you're at a deep deep disadvantage but there are still ways to play optimally. (Block attacks out of stealth, then also end up with interesting stam management battles with CCs and dodges.) Cloak vs Cloak is genuinely fun, and the play pattern is truly unique.

That said nightblade would be much better off in the current meta if cloak was nerfed and survivability and group utility were buffed. This would help PVE Nightblade tanks and healers, this would help Nightblades be better than F- Tier in Battlegrounds (only surviving true small scale with population), and would lessen the feel bads of that getting ganked from nowhere moment for lowbies.

That said one of the most satisfying play patterns would be clearly toast, solo tether bombs would nigh totally disappear (baring adding reagent with spell power and invisibility), and one of the best ways for people to dip their toes into solo pvp would be gone.

This completely. ^^^

Nerfing cloak (and buffing other classes) would help even out the playing field when it comes to solo open world PvP (which is basically dead in sotha) and buffing group utility would make NB actually useful in groups outside of mag nb bombing.

Honestly some of the people in the thread who want SA nerfed because it's better than other spammables, incap nerfed because it's the best single target ulti and grim focus nerfed because it deals high dmg / gives a good buff probably haven't realised these are the reasons to pick NB and is what people build around. You don't see people calling out templar's cleanse to get nerfed because it's better than purge or for igneous to have major mending nerfed because it's better than heavy restro major mending do you?

Rikumaru wrote: »

darkblue5 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

... There are lots of stamblades in pvp because the TTK is crazy low right now, players spec half tank and have to play defensively. It’s tough to learn in pvp when you get blown up in a couple seconds so a lot of players try with cloak. Truth is nightblades, stamina and magicka, are pretty weak right now but players play them anyways because of cloak.

Cloak is a really fun skill to use obviously, and it is sometimes fun to duel against without counters. Sure you're at a deep deep disadvantage but there are still ways to play optimally. (Block attacks out of stealth, then also end up with interesting stam management battles with CCs and dodges.) Cloak vs Cloak is genuinely fun, and the play pattern is truly unique.

That said nightblade would be much better off in the current meta if cloak was nerfed and survivability and group utility were buffed. This would help PVE Nightblade tanks and healers, this would help Nightblades be better than F- Tier in Battlegrounds (only surviving true small scale with population), and would lessen the feel bads of that getting ganked from nowhere moment for lowbies.

That said one of the most satisfying play patterns would be clearly toast, solo tether bombs would nigh totally disappear (baring adding reagent with spell power and invisibility), and one of the best ways for people to dip their toes into solo pvp would be gone.

This completely. ^^^

Nerfing cloak (and buffing other classes) would help even out the playing field when it comes to solo open world PvP (which is basically dead in sotha) and buffing group utility would make NB actually useful in groups outside of mag nb bombing.

Honestly some of the people in the thread who want SA nerfed because it's better than other spammables, incap nerfed because it's the best single target ulti and grim focus nerfed because it deals high dmg / gives a good buff probably haven't realised these are the reasons to pick NB and is what people build around. You don't see people calling out templar's cleanse to get nerfed because it's better than purge or for igneous to have major mending nerfed because it's better than heavy restro major mending do you?

But the major major difference is stam NB hasn't been nerfed to the level of other classes at all. Warden was nerfed from it's launch state that is why magic warden is useless in pve, templar have been nerfed so many times because they have breath of life and our only class stun went from aoe stun to single target stun to having no stun so templar has nothing for CC, dk wings have been nerfed so many times because people qq about it along with other nerfs, sorc had it's streak treatment along with many other nerfs and somehow sorc keeps rising up to be good, magblades we're gutted in pvp if and need a lot of help. But yet what has stamblade had happen?

Stamblade needs to loose a lot of it's up front damage and get some serviceability for longer fights. A class shouldn't have guarantee crit/stun out of stealth, a crazy high damage spamable with major fracture, a stupid ultimate that does major defile and build up fast and is very low cost to use, if you go back and watch a video from years ago not much has really changed for stamblade since launch of the game. The build stayed the same or very close to the same for 5 years now while every other class has had to deal with major nerfs that altered their gameplay in pvp drastically except NB. remember when cloak you to cleanse 5 debuffs off you when using? People still want that back that is the biggest Nerf I can recall to you guys lol and that was just 100% needed. Nb has always been all about cloak and resetting the battle.

The closest thing we have to cloak is elusive mist. It shows where you are going, you can't have magic Regan while in it, you can't use it to just Dodge moves much like NB using cloak to dodge ranged moves while they hit you back with snipe, you can't ready other moves from elusive mist (so crazy you can be next to a guy and do a wrecking blow that gets a damage boost cause you casted it while stealth) idk all the forum blades defend it but a lot of them are the first class to want stuff nerfed and try to say their play style is fair. So maybe cloak needs to turn into elusive must style so players can follow you when you run like cowards because nbs run if they can't kill you off the game all the time

@Kidgangster101

Nerf rock, Up scissor, Paper is fine.
Sincerly, Scissor player

ankeor wrote: »

Yeah. There is one good class left. Let's ruin it rather than making other classes better.

I love how people complain how ZOS handle the balance yet their balance suggestions are far worse than ZOS's.

By good you mean overpowered stacked abilities/passives?

They should delete 20% incap DMG, buff concealed weapon/siphon strike by 20%, and make siphon strikes/Cripple unreflected.

There I nerfed stamblade but buffed magblade lol.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

John_Falstaff wrote: »

@KhajiitFelix , nope. Sorry to break it to you, but Liko's parses are on first page of this thread, feel free to get acquainted with them. Stamden, stamplar and stamblade are parsing the same this patch.

@Kidgangster101 , not in my experience, even though I was targeted by snipes from stealth many times. If you're a sitting duck in open world without any defense, without detection, posing a target for any snipe spammer, it's on you.

@John_Falstaff when you run a lot of armor pen it doesn't matter what def someone has. You can argue for your broken class all you want but when I can que up to pvp as a newb NB and murder a lot of people before they even know I'm around is an issue lol.

Seriously tell me another class that has so much up front burst damage like night blade? And I'm not talking about pve as pve doesn't matter there is always builds to face the ai that allows you.to murder them.

I'm talking about pvp. That is where stamblade is a problem. Of course beating up on a target dummy anyone can get good DPS numbers, but when that dummy becomes a human player that is a problem

For this reason alone is why things get nerfed in pve because pvp is busted. You don't need all those perks in pve to cause debuffs because healers/tanks do that. So your parse numbers would go down on dummy but they would go right back up in group play which is what pve is.

My Stam Warden has tons of upfront burst damage but the mag Warden has even more. Mag Sorcs have crazy burst potential as well so why is it a problem on Nightblade. Why does my Warden have crazy up front burst damage and the best survivability and I feel like my Nightblade is at such a disadvantage when I PVP because his survivability is ass tier in this game without cloak.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/336506/you-misspelled-nightblades-in-the-patch-notes/p1

Mamma Mia, here we go again

Every class gets snipped on. Nothing is wrong with Nightblades.

I dont find stamblade OP. Theyre too squishy. Ive had more success with my magdk and stamwarden in under 50 BGs than my stamblade in level 50 BG or vivec.

Conclusion: Give all other classes more love and buff them to match up to nightblade instead of swinging around the nerf hammer.

NB is fine, leave us alone. Byeee

Stx wrote: »

One issue I see is that nightblade doesn't offer any group support or utility. I mean literally what do they have? Refreshing path?

I tank on my nightblade but I do t play him anymore because he doesn't boost the group in any way other than his gear sets.

I dont think it's good that NB has higher damage than other classes but they have no good tools for other roles so you dont want them to suck across the board.

As for pvp I don't have much experience but nightblades dont bother me much on average as a stamplar. I usually die to mag sorcs or dks but I'm a noob.

Hemorrhage passive under Assassination:
WITH AN ASSASSINATION ABILITY SLOTTED
Increases damage dealt by Critical Damage done by 10%.

Dealing Critical Damage grants you and your group Minor Savagery, increasing Weapon Critical Strike rating by 657 for 20 seconds.

I have to partially agree, NB doesn't have many passives that support others, but it's not a support character like Templar or Warden! However, NB brings debuffs to the fight that others obviously benefit from. Mark Target is a good example.

Also, why the HELL would you try tanking on a NB? It was viable before Morrowind when Saptanks were definitely a thing, but Morrowind screwed EVERYTHING up with sustain changes and hard nerfs.

I don't expect people to be masters of every class but please do some amount of research into something before throwing out conjecture.