When was the last time you saw someone cheating?

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Remember there is a difference between cheating and exploiting. Last time I saw someone legit cheat was back in 2015ish during the Memorial Day weekend cheat engine disaster.
  • VaranisArano
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    To be honest, I don't know that I've ever seen someone cheating where I had the timestamped combat log to prove it. And without that, I chalk it up to either lag, the enemy being better than I think they are, or me not being as good as I think I am.

    There was one time I got hit with 5 cliffracers in one second from the same player, but that was clearly lag on my part :)
  • Mudcrabber
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    The only ones I notice are the leather-farming bot trains and dolmen afk-casters, and the latter's been nerfed a bit.
  • Thogard
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    I like to think that there are two kinds of cheating: hacking and exploiting.

    Haven’t seen hacking since 2015. Have seen a ton of exploits though
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  • Mintaka5
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    If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:

    The synonyms of exploit:
    take advantage of, make use of, abuse, impose on, prey on, play on, misuse, ill-treat, bleed, suck dry, squeeze, wring, enslave, treat unfairly, withhold rights from; manipulate, cheat, swindle, fleece, victimize, live off the backs of; informal walk (all) over, take for a ride, put one over on, cash in on, rip off
    Edited by Mintaka5 on February 6, 2019 9:25PM
  • Prince_of_all_Pugs
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    I don’t know man, some guy exploiting the gear swap for bug to wear 3 sets is more exploit then cheat. Cheat is when you use cheat engine to secretly increase your stats and tell everyone you 1vx you have a “regen” build or some crazy crap like that.
  • DivineFirstYOLO
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    About 4 months ago - a guy jumped on the roof of sejanus, by roof i do not mean the platform where everybody can go to by using the stairs.. i mean the actual damn roof where nobody could possibly get to. So jump hacks/cheats definitely exist.
    Edited by DivineFirstYOLO on March 6, 2019 8:30AM
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  • LeifErickson
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    Mintaka5 wrote: »
    If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:

    The synonyms of exploit:

    Just because people kill you in 1 second, Mintaka, doesn't mean they do that to everyone else as well. Not hard to one shot a sorc who doesn't even keep shields up.
  • Kadoin
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    No time, 2019
  • Elong
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    Mintaka5 wrote: »
    If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:

    The synonyms of exploit:

    You're far too easy to take advantage of.
  • Fur_like_snow
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    Prob a couple years ago at this point but I remember this EP player sniping DC players standing in the base in IC thru the floor. Not sure how he got under the map..
  •  Jules
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    It had been so many years since I had seen a legit cheater - I think the same, CE weekend was the last I'd encountered it. Just recently though, I saw a kid who disappears into the floor when he thinks he's gonna die.


    Mintaka5 wrote: »
    If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating.
    GCD is 1s for most abilities so short of using outside programs to interrupt or expedite this, it's impossible. If you're talking about animation cancelling or weaving, that is not cheating, it's making use of dead space between abilities which is just sensible.
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  • zyk
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    The terminology in this thread is interesting.

    "Using an exploit" or "Exploiting" is short for exploiting a flaw in a system. It is a kind of cheating. It may or may not involve hacking.

    Intentionally exploiting any flaw in a system to break the rules is cheating. That's true whether it's something like a UI glitch to gain more set bonuses than is allowed by the rules or changing values in memory to increase recovery. Both are examples of exploits.

    Technically, hacking would be the process of finding those vulnerabilities.

    On to the OP:

    How do you know if you see a cheater? I don't immediately recall concluding for certain anyone was cheating prior to the Zazeer event. Subtle cheating is basically impossible to observe casually. Proving it, in most cases, would require heavy analysis.

    That was the point of what Zazeer did: ESO memory hacking had been possible but in the shadows of plausible deniability for years. People would argue that ESO was vulnerable to memory hacking, and for years the cheaters and friends of cheaters demanded it be proven. So Zazeer did.

    Memory hacking requires a lot of time and effort to refine safe cheating techniques. The people who put that kind of effort in generally do not want their work spoiled by sharing it with the wrong players. That's why it took years for the Zazeer event to happen.

    So yeah, ESO is still vulnerable to various forms of cheating. It is likely we have all encountered it without realizing it. With that said, I want to be clear that, by far, most accusations of cheating are false and many players use the specter of cheating as an excuse for losing.
  • Beardimus
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    Remember there is a difference between cheating and exploiting. Last time I saw someone legit cheat was back in 2015ish during the Memorial Day weekend cheat engine disaster.

    See it alot, it what's your definition of cheating v exploit?
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  • npuk
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    It depends on what you define as cheating, for me it would be last night seeing a player on DC in Vivec the 20 mins later seeing them on EP as there were more bars on that alliance, this sort of behavior is killing PVP more than the lag and is not very sporting behavior.

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  • vamp_emily
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    Someone recorded a video and he must have been drunk or high. He said something like "omg did you see that, that guy is cheating. Using the speed hack". I had to watch it a few times and all the guy was doing was running.

    Then one time i was in IC and some guy died. I went to rez him and it bugged out. I watched the guy slide across the ground bumping into the enemy. The enemy would fall over and die. I watched him for a while and tried to get a friend to come to IC to record it. I swore this guy was cheating, but it turned out it was just a glitch and he was using blade of woe to kill the enemy.

    Sometimes it might look like cheating but it really isn't :)

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  • heng14rwb17_ESO
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    SPEED HACK ON!
    INVISIBLE HACK ON!
    JUMP HACK ON!
    UNLIMITED ULTIMATE HACK ON!
    INFINITE LIFE SPAN HACK ON!
    WALL HACK ON!
    SUPER LONG RANGE ATK HACK ON!
    99999 ATK DMG HACK ON!
    ETC
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    SPEED HACK ON!
    INVISIBLE HACK ON!
    JUMP HACK ON!
    UNLIMITED ULTIMATE HACK ON!
    INFINITE LIFE SPAN HACK ON!
    WALL HACK ON!
    SUPER LONG RANGE ATK HACK ON!
    99999 ATK DMG HACK ON!
    ETC

    Lol, someone has delved into a few cheat tables... :)
  • Prince_of_all_Pugs
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    whatever happened to that dude in EU who created a 24,000,000 ap defense tick of a resource during double ap weekend?
  • ScruffyWhiskers
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    Mr. Z from the DC alliance has a very interesting build that I would love to see. He's posted here before. I don't think he's cheating mind you. I have only seen him kill maybe one player although he runs around with 20 guys chasing him and eventually a DC zerg shows up and a lot of them get slaughtered.

    He also does a jump which is probably an exploit. Something to do with spinning the camera or so I was told.

    Does mr. Z care to comment?
  • TBois
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    Mr. Z from the DC alliance has a very interesting build that I would love to see. He's posted here before. I don't think he's cheating mind you. I have only seen him kill maybe one player although he runs around with 20 guys chasing him and eventually a DC zerg shows up and a lot of them get slaughtered.

    He also does a jump which is probably an exploit. Something to do with spinning the camera or so I was told.

    Does mr. Z care to comment?

    I've seen the jumps like this. At the beginning of the video you can see this guy do it repeatedly

    https://youtu.be/8w8mnEEcgvg
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  • ScruffyWhiskers
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    Yeah that could be it. He clearly has major expedition going and he does it off of the mile gate at chal. I saw him try to go from the raised platform at the mine to reach the tower but he just missed it and hit the lip of the first level and fell. Doesn't seem to take any fall damage but that could be because of the build. He can top off his health like crazy. He's not unkillable mind you. I've seen him die just once to a big angry mob. It could just be a very clever build.
  •  Jules
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    It depends on what you define as cheating, for me it would be last night seeing a player on DC in Vivec the 20 mins later seeing them on EP as there were more bars on that alliance, this sort of behavior is killing PVP more than the lag and is not very sporting behavior.

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    Ok seriously? This is literally not cheating, it's relogging.
    TBois wrote: »

    I've seen the jumps like this. At the beginning of the video you can see this guy do it repeatedly

    https://youtu.be/8w8mnEEcgvg

    That's a very interesting video, I've never seen that before. I know there was some button or something you could press when falling to take no fall dmg but I forget what it was, I thought it got patched. I never realized you could jump so far doing something like that, seems pretty buggy and not intended. Realistically needs to be fixed.
    Edited by Jules on February 9, 2019 2:16AM
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  • dtsharples
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    There is an EP on Vivec EU that employs exactly this method.
    It's a well known bug / exploit that lets you jump forwards much, much further than is intended, you can literally jump from the outer of a keep, into to the inner.
    Anyone on EU Vivec will know exactly who this is ^

    He also found a way to use Werewolf skills whilst in Human form, so he has none of the limitations of being in Werewolf form, but has the ridiculously OP Werewolf heal at his disposal.
    He had one character banned, but not his account. So he just made an exact replica of the character and did the same thing all over again - and will continue to do so as ZOS apparently give zero Shitz.

    None of this is 'Cheating' IMO - But using broken mechanics and exploits that ZOS are too dumb to fix.
    And basically being an all-round ***-bag turd who is only out to trash PVP for everyone, including his own faction who also think he is a joke.

  • ApostateHobo
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    No idea whether it was cheating or just exploits, no idea how cheating on ps4 even works anyways, but during the midyear mayhem encore there was a guy in battlegrounds that would literally not die and killed entire teams in a matter of seconds. Dude's health wouldn't budge even with an entire team dumping everything they've got on him. It was a domination or crazy king one can't remember which, so we went and tried to claim the flag he was on. Should've been relatively easy since it was 4 against 1. Boom entire team dead in maybe 15 seconds. Other team shows up and they also get wiped out like nothing. I know there's some really good players, but that was just ridiculous dude took seemingly no damage and dealt massive damage himself. It also wasn't like it was in chunks either. All the damage happened all at once like a snipe desync.

    Another person on his team was really fishy as well because his skoria set procced over and over literally 1 second between the meteors. And it was all from him according to the recap, wasn't just seeing other people's set procc. Dude would just go to town with his spin 2 win, and it was rapid fire meteors on everyone. That whole round was definitely an experience lol
  • barshemm
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    Watched a certain DC night blade jump from the KC gate house to the tower east of it. I was in stealth watching him, he had no shade up. Same guy some how takes no damage from both high burst DD or master bleed but can still burst kill a tank.
  • Kadoin
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    barshemm wrote: »
    Watched a certain DC night blade jump from the KC gate house to the tower east of it. I was in stealth watching him, he had no shade up. Same guy some how takes no damage from both high burst DD or master bleed but can still burst kill a tank.

    I think everyone has seen shady stuff. There probably is a way to exploit stats in the game. I've seen my stats sometimes far higher or lower than they should be, but never got to the bottom of it. Once I even actually had 100% crit... It's likely someone has probably found out how to exploit it and/or didn't do the honorable thing and remove gear+replace...
  • Soris
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    TBois wrote: »

    I've seen the jumps like this. At the beginning of the video you can see this guy do it repeatedly

    https://youtu.be/8w8mnEEcgvg

    That jump is clearly exploiting hidden game mechanics but it is there for years now as i remember correctly. It is viewed as animation cancelling and it wont give anyone a considerable advantage except looking cool. It requires perfectly flat ground like in the video and it is quite hard to do manually unless you have a macro keybord since it requires perfectly timed multiple key presses in a sequence pattern. Even a slight lag will make it fail. And unlike somebody said, it won't let you jump from outer walls to inner walls due to the inner walls being higher than the outer, but you can jump from inner to outer side walls. Though you can already jump there with normal jumps and major expedition.
    Edited by Soris on February 11, 2019 12:27PM
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  • Minalan
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    Last ones I saw were people exploiting the hist bark and twice born set five piece bonuses. So, it's been awhile.
  • Flame_of_Hades
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    weird stuff happens with stats. for some reason, there will be periods of time (20-30 seconds??) where i take massively reduced damage, and this will randomly happen maybe once every 2-3 weeks? i tested it one time by standing in oils, with no heals going out, and my health bar didn't even move. I used to think this was a health desync, but i never die, and after it ends, i take normal damage, not insta die.

    There was one time when i lost Emp and kept the Emp buffs.

    the reason for me saying this? many times when someone thinks someone is cheating, its likely a bug such as one of the two i posted above.
  • elfantasmo
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    Last time I saw people exploiting was this morning when the map got pvdoored....and the day before that... and the day before that... and the day before that. If people are allowed to exploit population imbalance and ultimately farm 12m ap per month by fighting doors alone then anything goes. I’m sorry but who gives a flying flock if people can jump 39 metres when I can’t even port to 1 keep away when I login.
    Edited by elfantasmo on February 11, 2019 7:44PM
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