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When was the last time you saw someone cheating?
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✭✭✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:
The synonyms of exploit:take advantage of, make use of, abuse, impose on, prey on, play on, misuse, ill-treat, bleed, suck dry, squeeze, wring, enslave, treat unfairly, withhold rights from; manipulate, cheat, swindle, fleece, victimize, live off the backs of; informal walk (all) over, take for a ride, put one over on, cash in on, rip off
Just because people kill you in 1 second, Mintaka, doesn't mean they do that to everyone else as well. Not hard to one shot a sorc who doesn't even keep shields up.
@L you have no idea what you're talking about. I know you cheat. Prove me wrong, and we can be friends...NEVER!
This is exactly what's wrong with publically accusing named people of cheating. You have people like this who get outplayed fair and square reporting and screeching about good players being cheaters, which is without a doubt the majority of reports on "cheaters". Shame, @M, shame!
No, it is what is wrong with not be aggressive in removing cheaters from the game. If ZOS moderated the game as strictly as they moderated the forums, a good player would be seen as a good player, not a possible cheater.
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100% correct. This is exactly why other devs are transparent about cheating. They recognize it is essential for trust to exist within a gaming community.No, it is what is wrong with not be aggressive in removing cheaters from the game. If ZOS moderated the game as strictly as they moderated the forums, a good player would be seen as a good player, not a possible cheater.
Also, this community could do a much better job of policing itself. We all know of players who memory hacked, were banned, and were welcomed back with their new accounts. Frankly, there are class reps who hang out with known cheaters. They are allowed into tournaments.
Cheating *should* be extremely offensive to every legitimately good player. But for some reason, that's not so much the case here....3 -
Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:
The synonyms of exploit:take advantage of, make use of, abuse, impose on, prey on, play on, misuse, ill-treat, bleed, suck dry, squeeze, wring, enslave, treat unfairly, withhold rights from; manipulate, cheat, swindle, fleece, victimize, live off the backs of; informal walk (all) over, take for a ride, put one over on, cash in on, rip off
Just because people kill you in 1 second, Mintaka, doesn't mean they do that to everyone else as well. Not hard to one shot a sorc who doesn't even keep shields up.
@LeifErickson you have no idea what you're talking about. I know you cheat. Prove me wrong, and we can be friends...NEVER!
This is exactly what's wrong with publically accusing named people of cheating. You have people like this who get outplayed fair and square reporting and screeching about good players being cheaters, which is without a doubt the majority of reports on "cheaters". Shame, @Mintaka5, shame!
Outplayed? Fairly? I don't think so. More like completely demolished every time I encounter @LeifErickson, not to mention all the other players he continues to dominate in this game. To add to this he singles out players who call him out and harasses them to no end, to prove some point that he thinks he's better than everyone. Accusing someone is one thing, but shaming me for doing so is just as offensive. It's not wrong, it's just not fair. Just as not fair as cheaters who won't admit it. I agree getting one shotted doesn't happen to everyone else, because he probably can't beat other players who cheat as well.
I want to be proven wrong. I want to know why there is such a huge gap of performance between myself, who beats players some of the time, and a player like him, who walks away from every encounter, with a win in under 2 seconds. It doesn't make sense what he does in the time that he does it. If he is that powerful then maybe ZOS should investigate how much his build goes beyond any sense of the word "balanced". I'd say if the fight lasted longer, and we actually sparred, there was no exploiting or cheating involved, but his PvP fights are consistent, the same pattern over and over, and the same result in the same amount of time. Machines and code are consistent. Human players are not. I'd like to come away learning something from a fight with him, but I don't. Demonstrate to me that balance here, and I'll shut up. Otherwise cheating exists!Edited by Mintaka5 on February 20, 2019 10:44PM3 -
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Cheating *should* be extremely offensive to every legitimately good player. But for some reason, that's not so much the case here....
As far as I'm concerned, it is to me. I have no love for cheats or those who abuse em. It erodes the integrity of the game. Cheating in any context, whether that be ESO, Chess, or Wall Street is an affront to people who actually have worked hard to get to where they are. Absolutely pathetic, honor less behavior. That being said, mindless witch hunting is also a bad thing. As in any case, burden of proof is on the claimant. But some people don't understand that concept and whenever a flaw in the game's security emerges, salty bads take this as an opportunity to confirm their biases and just dismiss everyone better than them as simply being a cheater.Edited by CyrusArya on February 21, 2019 5:44PM4 -
emma666✭✭✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:
The synonyms of exploit:take advantage of, make use of, abuse, impose on, prey on, play on, misuse, ill-treat, bleed, suck dry, squeeze, wring, enslave, treat unfairly, withhold rights from; manipulate, cheat, swindle, fleece, victimize, live off the backs of; informal walk (all) over, take for a ride, put one over on, cash in on, rip off
Just because people kill you in 1 second, Mintaka, doesn't mean they do that to everyone else as well. Not hard to one shot a sorc who doesn't even keep shields up.
@LeifErickson you have no idea what you're talking about. I know you cheat. Prove me wrong, and we can be friends...NEVER!
This is exactly what's wrong with publically accusing named people of cheating. You have people like this who get outplayed fair and square reporting and screeching about good players being cheaters, which is without a doubt the majority of reports on "cheaters". Shame, @Mintaka5, shame!
Outplayed? Fairly? I don't think so. More like completely demolished every time I encounter @LeifErickson, not to mention all the other players he continues to dominate in this game. To add to this he singles out players who call him out and harasses them to no end, to prove some point that he thinks he's better than everyone. Accusing someone is one thing, but shaming me for doing so is just as offensive. It's not wrong, it's just not fair. Just as not fair as cheaters who won't admit it. I agree getting one shotted doesn't happen to everyone else, because he probably can't beat other players who cheat as well.
I want to be proven wrong. I want to know why there is such a huge gap of performance between myself, who beats players some of the time, and a player like him, who walks away from every encounter, with a win in under 2 seconds. It doesn't make sense what he does in the time that he does it. If he is that powerful then maybe ZOS should investigate how much his build goes beyond any sense of the word "balanced". I'd say if the fight lasted longer, and we actually sparred, there was no exploiting or cheating involved, but his PvP fights are consistent, the same pattern over and over, and the same result in the same amount of time. Machines and code are consistent. Human players are not. I'd like to come away learning something from a fight with him, but I don't. Demonstrate to me that balance here, and I'll shut up. Otherwise cheating exists!
You falsely and rudely accused him of cheating after he offered to help you, that's a serious and unfair claim so don't go acting like a victim if he minorly trolls you. From reading the other thread, you obviously have issues in PvP and instead of learning to play better you assume and accuse people better than you of cheating. That's not okay. The only thing you're doing right now is complimenting Leifs skill and making a fool out of yourself. Someone outplaying a struggling player is in no way or shape proof of cheating, try again.Nymeria - Ebonheart - Grand Overlady - Imperial Templar - HavocI wish you good fortune in the wars to come.9 -
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✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:
The synonyms of exploit:take advantage of, make use of, abuse, impose on, prey on, play on, misuse, ill-treat, bleed, suck dry, squeeze, wring, enslave, treat unfairly, withhold rights from; manipulate, cheat, swindle, fleece, victimize, live off the backs of; informal walk (all) over, take for a ride, put one over on, cash in on, rip off
Just because people kill you in 1 second, Mintaka, doesn't mean they do that to everyone else as well. Not hard to one shot a sorc who doesn't even keep shields up.
@LeifErickson you have no idea what you're talking about. I know you cheat. Prove me wrong, and we can be friends...NEVER!
This is exactly what's wrong with publically accusing named people of cheating. You have people like this who get outplayed fair and square reporting and screeching about good players being cheaters, which is without a doubt the majority of reports on "cheaters". Shame, @Mintaka5, shame!
Outplayed? Fairly? I don't think so. More like completely demolished every time I encounter @LeifErickson, not to mention all the other players he continues to dominate in this game. To add to this he singles out players who call him out and harasses them to no end, to prove some point that he thinks he's better than everyone. Accusing someone is one thing, but shaming me for doing so is just as offensive. It's not wrong, it's just not fair. Just as not fair as cheaters who won't admit it. I agree getting one shotted doesn't happen to everyone else, because he probably can't beat other players who cheat as well.
I want to be proven wrong. I want to know why there is such a huge gap of performance between myself, who beats players some of the time, and a player like him, who walks away from every encounter, with a win in under 2 seconds. It doesn't make sense what he does in the time that he does it. If he is that powerful then maybe ZOS should investigate how much his build goes beyond any sense of the word "balanced". I'd say if the fight lasted longer, and we actually sparred, there was no exploiting or cheating involved, but his PvP fights are consistent, the same pattern over and over, and the same result in the same amount of time. Machines and code are consistent. Human players are not. I'd like to come away learning something from a fight with him, but I don't. Demonstrate to me that balance here, and I'll shut up. Otherwise cheating exists!
This is arguably one of the funniest posts I've read because it just reeks of such blatant dissonance that I actually cannot take it seriously without getting moderately upset.
He singles players out who call him out? Unheard of! That's the whole point of calling someone out, to get their attention and to capitalize any sort of rash judgement they make. Whatever you think the purpose of calling someone out is does not align with basic human interaction. For example, if you call me out at my gym, you gonna find 10 dudes suiting you up with headgear and some 18oz gloves in about 20 seconds. No different with Leif, you call him out and you best be prepared to fight.
Accusing someone is certainly one thing; and shaming an accuser who has brought nothing to the table but anecdotal evidence, hearsay, and unsubstantiated claims that (as your next entire paragraph implies) result from complete and utter ignorance is something entirely different. One is a character assassination utilizing said individuals own ridiculous statements; the other is a conspiracy theory - I'll let you decide which of the two you fall under. But the problem is that Leif isn't even guilty of cheating. He cannot fulfill your desires because he doesn't fit the prerequisites to them. In order for him to admit to cheating he actually needs to be cheating. Are you actually surprised that people don't buy your "I just know he's cheating" soapboxing?
What's your course from investigating the veracity of your claim? You haven't provided any video or screenshot evidence which would suggest anything out of the ordinary. Meanwhile, Leif has videos of his gameplay from the past 3 years. The fact that you can beat players not even in the same stratosphere as Leif? That's like saying Floyd Mayweather cheated for years because you can beat up 10 year olds but not PBF. That argument does not follow, at all. Your experience versus players worse than you has absolutely no bearing on Leif's capability versus you. The best players are the best players for a reason - it takes a titanic effort to kill these dudes solo and a bit of luck. The effort starts long before you engage the fight, which is probably why you're so dumbfounded how you can try so hard and come up short so quickly.
Here's some advice from a player who is a legit concrete step or two below Leif and players of his caliber- You're worse, much worse. Everything he does is better than you. Accept it. But just because he's better than you at everything doesn't mean you aren't good at something. Most OP "cheaters" have very flushed out builds and don't do anything particularly great, something you can capitalize on. Ask yourself what you are good at. Take that, rework your entire build to support just that one facet and go wild.0331
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You falsely and rudely accused him of cheating after he offered to help you, that's a serious and unfair claim so don't go acting like a victim if he minorly trolls you. From reading the other thread, you obviously have issues in PvP and instead of learning to play better you assume and accuse people better than you of cheating. That's not okay. The only thing you're doing right now is complimenting Leifs skill and making a fool out of yourself. Someone outplaying a struggling player is in no way or shape proof of cheating, try again.
How do you even know this? For one, he showed no interest in helping me, and second he patronized me along with a handful of other players that I saw lurking with him (what you called minirly trolling me. a troll is troll no matter how hard they do it). I am on the server every day doing what you seem to baselessly label "learning". Do you know how *** hard it is to learn from someone who does what he does. *** IMPOSSIBLE. Don't give me that passive gamer *** talking point L2P. I've heard it before. I know how to play. What I don't know how to do is beat players who incessantly exploit everyone all of the time.
I don't know what your problem is with me, and far as I am concerned you are way out of bounds stepping in to something that is not your *** business. I don't want Leif's help. He's a cheat like the rest of the dominant players in this game, and his personality is trash. I guess like minds will defend each other no matter how wrong they are.
YOU CAN'T WIN ALL THE *** TIME!!!!!!!!
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You really can. There are players I know who will legitimately beat me in fair situations every single time and even though I am not a top tier player, there are dozens of players I can do the same to. I say this as someone who usually plays bad builds casually. It's just that kind of game.YOU CAN'T WIN ALL THE *** TIME!!!!!!!!
Away from fair situations, there are players with network and hardware advantages and disadvantages; the are probably a lot of players on older, slow PVA displays with 60ms+ input lag and hideous ghosting without knowing what those things are.
And then there's the elephant in the room: father time; who is undefeated.
We should be really careful when accusing someone of cheating because if we're wrong, it's unfair to that player and it helps the actual cheaters maintain plausible deniability.Edited by zyk on February 21, 2019 2:28AM4 -
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You falsely and rudely accused him of cheating after he offered to help you, that's a serious and unfair claim so don't go acting like a victim if he minorly trolls you. From reading the other thread, you obviously have issues in PvP and instead of learning to play better you assume and accuse people better than you of cheating. That's not okay. The only thing you're doing right now is complimenting Leifs skill and making a fool out of yourself. Someone outplaying a struggling player is in no way or shape proof of cheating, try again.
How do you even know this? For one, he showed no interest in helping me, and second he patronized me along with a handful of other players that I saw lurking with him (what you called minirly trolling me. a troll is troll no matter how hard they do it). I am on the server every day doing what you seem to baselessly label "learning". Do you know how *** hard it is to learn from someone who does what he does. *** IMPOSSIBLE. Don't give me that passive gamer *** talking point L2P. I've heard it before. I know how to play. What I don't know how to do is beat players who incessantly exploit everyone all of the time.
I don't know what your problem is with me, and far as I am concerned you are way out of bounds stepping in to something that is not your *** business. I don't want Leif's help. He's a cheat like the rest of the dominant players in this game, and his personality is trash. I guess like minds will defend each other no matter how wrong they are.
YOU CAN'T WIN ALL THE *** TIME!!!!!!!!
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I don't want Leif's help. He's a cheat like the rest of the dominant players in this game, and his personality is trash.
This has just gotten out of hand, to be honest. You're just recklessly insulting a person who doesn't deserve it and tried to help you.
I mean it doesn't even need to be said, but I will, since @LeifErickson deserves it. 1) He's not a cheater in any regard. He's a great player who is constantly working to improve through dueling, small scaling, tournaments and the like. 2) His personality isn't trash, he's actually a very easy going and fun person to play with and against.
Your incessant need to blame all external factors for your poor performance just goes to show how far ignorance will take you. Great players come with a ton of variety: different platforms, classes, playstyles, eras - but the one thing they all have in common is that they can critically look at themselves and determine their own weaknesses. By identifying these, they are more capable of overcoming them. Your inability to do this is the source of your frustration.10 -
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Scarpion✭✭✭No one wins all the time, that includes Leify. If you're dying to Leif so quickly, you need to start improving lol. Leif is a great player.
@Jules The bunny hopping is not a macro or an exploit or anything like that. It takes a little practice but can be done by everyone. Easier to achieve with major expedition. Sakgee from EU has had his character locked numerous times for bunny hopping while just chilling in random places ingame and Zos always unlock the character.
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ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭Leif is on my avoid list unless there is a zerg that is running him over and I can help out.
Plus he seems to have friends a lot of the time and they play in a tight group with good heals. You are never going to pug one of those without a small zerg. 0 -
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Czirne✭✭✭✭A day before yesterday there was an EP nb on Sotha Sil EU. Jumping up the keeps, permanent invisibility, sinking in ground textures and poping out when convinient. I pretty sure he was cheating.I believe in lagless Cyrodiil!1 -
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✭@Mintaka5 Interesting how you forgot to mention the whispers you have been sending my friends and I. Very interesting.4 -
Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭@LeifErickson @Quantum_V @CanadaPK and his whole crew find me at Alessia farm, and continue to hunt me down and single me out. I'm beginning to think cheating isn't your only problems, it's your incessant need to harass the *** out of people because you don't like what they say about you. Stop cheating!4
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Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »@Mintaka5 Interesting how you forgot to mention the whispers you have been sending my friends and I. Very interesting.
You won't get whispers if you guys just leave me the *** alone. I don't want to fight impossible cheaters. If you don't want it don't come looking for it.3 -
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✭@LeifErickson @Quantum_V @CanadaPK and his whole crew find me at Alessia farm, and continue to hunt me down and single me out. I'm beginning to think cheating isn't your only problems, it's your incessant need to harass the *** out of people because you don't like what they say about you. Stop cheating!
Hmmm interesting considering I wasn't even with them and was not in group on the other side of the map. None of us harass you either. You are straight lying. We literally just pvp and people who come to us we kill. You are gonna need to provide proof or no one will take you seriously.6 -
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✭LeifErickson wrote: »@Mintaka5 Interesting how you forgot to mention the whispers you have been sending my friends and I. Very interesting.
You won't get whispers if you guys just leave me the *** alone. I don't want to fight impossible cheaters. If you don't want it don't come looking for it.
Literally every time you see me in Cyro it's you trying to fight me. You are lying. I go to the places where I think I will get good fights. I have literally never tried to signal you out or anything like that. I just play and fight the people in front of me. Stop lying. Also none of us cheat.3 -
Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Leif is on my avoid list unless there is a zerg that is running him over and I can help out. Plus he seems to have friends a lot of the time and they play in a tight group with good heals. You are never going to pug one of those without a small zerg.
I avoid him too. But he and his crew are insistent on seeking me out, and it's gone beyond just fighting me, they know they can win, I know they can win. So what's the *** point? To harass me. That's all it is. They got hurt feelings because they can't handle being contradicted by another player, so now they have made it their mission to seek me out solely and take out their aggression on me. Yeah they say they want to help me, but they don't. They're just verbally covering their asses, so ZOS doesn't look into this and discover that these guys are just a breed of tyrants.
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Mintaka5✭✭✭✭✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Leif is on my avoid list unless there is a zerg that is running him over and I can help out. Plus he seems to have friends a lot of the time and they play in a tight group with good heals. You are never going to pug one of those without a small zerg.
I avoid him too. But he and his crew are insistent on seeking me out, and it's gone beyond just fighting me, they know they can win, I know they can win. So what's the *** point? To harass me. That's all it is. They got hurt feelings because they can't handle being contradicted by another player, so now they have made it their mission to seek me out solely and take out their aggression on me. Yeah they say they want to help me, but they don't. They're just verbally covering their asses, so ZOS doesn't look into this and discover that these guys are just a breed of tyrants.
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✭@LeifErickson @Quantum_V @CanadaPK and his whole crew find me at Alessia farm, and continue to hunt me down and single me out. I'm beginning to think cheating isn't your only problems, it's your incessant need to harass the *** out of people because you don't like what they say about you. Stop cheating!
You are probably being focused because of how easy it is for them to kill you. That's smart tactics not harassment.PC/NA
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✭ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Leif is on my avoid list unless there is a zerg that is running him over and I can help out. Plus he seems to have friends a lot of the time and they play in a tight group with good heals. You are never going to pug one of those without a small zerg.
I avoid him too. But he and his crew are insistent on seeking me out, and it's gone beyond just fighting me, they know they can win, I know they can win. So what's the *** point? To harass me. That's all it is. They got hurt feelings because they can't handle being contradicted by another player, so now they have made it their mission to seek me out solely and take out their aggression on me. Yeah they say they want to help me, but they don't. They're just verbally covering their asses, so ZOS doesn't look into this and discover that these guys are just a breed of tyrants.
I chose to move on, and they followed me.
All of this is a lie. And if you feel like you are getting focused in cyro it might be because you don't keep your shields up. If anything Mintaka, it's you who seeks me out.1 -
kpittsniperb14_ESO✭✭✭✭LeifErickson wrote: »If you are dominating K:D with the same rotation in under 1 second, you're cheating. And for those of you who like to split hairs and be arm-chair lawyers:
The synonyms of exploit:take advantage of, make use of, abuse, impose on, prey on, play on, misuse, ill-treat, bleed, suck dry, squeeze, wring, enslave, treat unfairly, withhold rights from; manipulate, cheat, swindle, fleece, victimize, live off the backs of; informal walk (all) over, take for a ride, put one over on, cash in on, rip off
Just because people kill you in 1 second, Mintaka, doesn't mean they do that to everyone else as well. Not hard to one shot a sorc who doesn't even keep shields up.
@LeifErickson you have no idea what you're talking about. I know you cheat. Prove me wrong, and we can be friends...NEVER!
This is exactly what's wrong with publically accusing named people of cheating. You have people like this who get outplayed fair and square reporting and screeching about good players being cheaters, which is without a doubt the majority of reports on "cheaters". Shame, @Mintaka5, shame!
Outplayed? Fairly? I don't think so. More like completely demolished every time I encounter @LeifErickson, not to mention all the other players he continues to dominate in this game. To add to this he singles out players who call him out and harasses them to no end, to prove some point that he thinks he's better than everyone. Accusing someone is one thing, but shaming me for doing so is just as offensive. It's not wrong, it's just not fair. Just as not fair as cheaters who won't admit it. I agree getting one shotted doesn't happen to everyone else, because he probably can't beat other players who cheat as well.
I want to be proven wrong. I want to know why there is such a huge gap of performance between myself, who beats players some of the time, and a player like him, who walks away from every encounter, with a win in under 2 seconds. It doesn't make sense what he does in the time that he does it. If he is that powerful then maybe ZOS should investigate how much his build goes beyond any sense of the word "balanced". I'd say if the fight lasted longer, and we actually sparred, there was no exploiting or cheating involved, but his PvP fights are consistent, the same pattern over and over, and the same result in the same amount of time. Machines and code are consistent. Human players are not. I'd like to come away learning something from a fight with him, but I don't. Demonstrate to me that balance here, and I'll shut up. Otherwise cheating exists
