Possible Fix to Snares. Pls vote

Dr.NRG · January 2019

These are just a couple of ideas how we could adress snares. If you disagree or have other ideas please react accordingly but post those ideas in the already existing discussions about this topic such as;
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/456259/please-address-perma-rooting-and-snares-it-is-beyond-good-and-bad#latest
or
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/454827/snares-are-still-way-too-prevalent#latest

KhajiitFelix · January 2019

what

Dr.NRG · January 2019

Rename cripple and give it a fallout treatment. When knocked up, down or CCed in any other brutal way, you could break bones and thus are snared until you heal above full hp.

KhajiitFelix wrote: »

what

If you dont know what this is about follow the links and read up please. This is extremely important to the future of pvp in all instances.

Xvorg · January 2019

Remove Snares entirely

Or reduce de source of snares to "tanking" weapons (S/B and ice staff)

kookster · January 2019

Have roll doge remove snare effect and grant a short immunity (rememberer using a doge already also gives a short immunity to roots so even magicka games wont have to roll as much. The immunity time could use a longer duration for both cases though)

Personally I think the best solution would be to make all snares ground based AOE only. Dont make any skills or sets that snare a player unless its a AOE, the moment or a brief moment after leaving the AOE removes the snare.

Dr.NRG · January 2019

Rename cripple and give it a fallout treatment. When knocked up, down or CCed in any other brutal way, you could break bones and thus are snared until you heal above full hp.

kookster wrote: »

Personally I think the best solution would be to make all snares ground based AOE only. Dont make any skills or sets that snare a player unless its a AOE, the moment or a brief moment after leaving the AOE removes the snare.

I could agree with this under 1 circumstance tho and that would be that the person casting that AOE is equally snared. Otherwise this will solve nothing as ice wardens would still chace you down

Minno · January 2019

Other (again pls follow links provided above and leave a feedback or some agrees on suggtions you like)

Another thread ignoring the main issue; snare availability is easier than speed yet speed was overnerfed.
But snares are still needed (melee builds needing a way to catch up and control ranged specs).

The only changes that need to happen:
- snares removed from a few select over-performing abilities (like rending or the SNB skill)
- snare values dropped but compensated. All 70% become 60%, 60% become 40%, 40% become 30% and each have 5% speed = 840 max/stam worth of buffs returned.
- light armor/shuffle buffed to add more snare reduction/speed accordingly

Either that or nerf all snares by adding a 60% cost increase

Xvorg · January 2019

Remove Snares entirely

Minno wrote: »

Another thread ignoring the main issue; snare availability is easier than speed yet speed was overnerfed.
But snares are still needed (melee builds needing a way to catch up and control ranged specs).

The only changes that need to happen:
- snares removed from a few select over-performing abilities (like rending or the SNB skill)
- snare values dropped but compensated. All 70% become 60%, 60% become 40%, 40% become 30% and each have 5% speed = 840 max/stam worth of buffs returned.
- light armor/shuffle buffed to add more snare reduction/speed accordingly

Either that or nerf all snares by adding a 60% cost increase

I would keep snares on SB/Ice staff while providing something in compensation to other weapon skills. I think tanks should be able to snare enemies in PvE , while in PvP it makes both a desirable option (considering 1h weapons got a nerf in their enchantments)

Minno · January 2019

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Xvorg wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Another thread ignoring the main issue; snare availability is easier than speed yet speed was overnerfed.
But snares are still needed (melee builds needing a way to catch up and control ranged specs).

The only changes that need to happen:
- snares removed from a few select over-performing abilities (like rending or the SNB skill)
- snare values dropped but compensated. All 70% become 60%, 60% become 40%, 40% become 30% and each have 5% speed = 840 max/stam worth of buffs returned.
- light armor/shuffle buffed to add more snare reduction/speed accordingly

Either that or nerf all snares by adding a 60% cost increase

I would keep snares on SB/Ice staff while providing something in compensation to other weapon skills. I think tanks should be able to snare enemies in PvE , while in PvP it makes both a desirable option (considering 1h weapons got a nerf in their enchantments)

templars/DKs/melee toons still need their snares and as much as I give rending ***, DW has no gap closer so it needs the snare off at least one ability (but it has 2 snares so rip lol).

NobleX35 · January 2019

Minno wrote: »

Another thread ignoring the main issue; snare availability is easier than speed yet speed was overnerfed.
But snares are still needed (melee builds needing a way to catch up and control ranged specs).

The only changes that need to happen:
- snares removed from a few select over-performing abilities (like rending or the SNB skill)
- snare values dropped but compensated. All 70% become 60%, 60% become 40%, 40% become 30% and each have 5% speed = 840 max/stam worth of buffs returned.
- light armor/shuffle buffed to add more snare reduction/speed accordingly

Either that or nerf all snares by adding a 60% cost increase

I dont think the quality of snares need to be reduced. 70% snares are pretty rare, so I dont really see them as an issue. 30% snares feel somewhat weak, but 40% seems to be the sweet spot. 60% snares are maybe a little too common and a little too powerful. Snares such as these and the 70% ones should probably be relegated to ground based aoes.

In my opinion, snares need to be additive with movement speed buffs instead of multiplicative. So a 40% snare is just a little bit stronger than a major expedition buff, and would only make the player move 10% slower than normal movement speed (excluding any other buffs or debuffs in this category). Whether people like them or not, snares do serve a purpose, and as such should be somewhat stronger than their buff counterparts since snares also have hardcounters in the form of snare immunity. I also believe that the game needs more passives/skills that provide snare resistance, and a few more skills that provide full immunity.

frostz417 · January 2019

Remove Snares entirely

70% snares shouldnt exist

barshemm · January 2019

Remove Snares entirely

We don't need snares to chase, don't chase. LOS the ranged caster and make them come to you. Pisses them off, it's fun. Mag sorcs especially have this entitlement where they think everyone has to face tank them.

Honestly I'd be fine with snares restricted to 30% and on a lot less abilities. I like the ground effect only idea, like caltrops. Roots need a longer cool down though. You fight some mag dks and it's pointless to do anything. Shuffle and fm should double the root immunity they provide for snares. Right now you have 2 seconds to try and burst a mag dk running either heavy armor, big shields and or tons of healing.

Minno · January 2019

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NobleX35 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

Another thread ignoring the main issue; snare availability is easier than speed yet speed was overnerfed.
But snares are still needed (melee builds needing a way to catch up and control ranged specs).

The only changes that need to happen:
- snares removed from a few select over-performing abilities (like rending or the SNB skill)
- snare values dropped but compensated. All 70% become 60%, 60% become 40%, 40% become 30% and each have 5% speed = 840 max/stam worth of buffs returned.
- light armor/shuffle buffed to add more snare reduction/speed accordingly

Either that or nerf all snares by adding a 60% cost increase

I dont think the quality of snares need to be reduced. 70% snares are pretty rare, so I dont really see them as an issue. 30% snares feel somewhat weak, but 40% seems to be the sweet spot. 60% snares are maybe a little too common and a little too powerful. Snares such as these and the 70% ones should probably be relegated to ground based aoes.

In my opinion, snares need to be additive with movement speed buffs instead of multiplicative. So a 40% snare is just a little bit stronger than a major expedition buff, and would only make the player move 10% slower than normal movement speed (excluding any other buffs or debuffs in this category). Whether people like them or not, snares do serve a purpose, and as such should be somewhat stronger than their buff counterparts since snares also have hardcounters in the form of snare immunity. I also believe that the game needs more passives/skills that provide snare resistance, and a few more skills that provide full immunity.

Yea that is another idea. Change the equation to see how that helps first.
Agreed that 40% is more prevalent than other snares.

validifyedneb18_ESO · January 2019

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1 has got to be the dumbest idea for ESO ive heard since that one guy suggested curse eater get nerfed by changing the 5set to allowing you to have food+drink active.

Just remove snares.

Lets just *** trim every CC in this stupid *** CC-spamming game, then add in 4 or 5 select CCs that cost a *** load of resources and no can have more than 2.

JPcrazysquirrel3 · January 2019

A combination of option 1 and 2 or 3

Oops. I misread that.

I meant a combination of 2 and 3

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