[Class Rep] Warden Feedback Thread

LeHarrt91 · January 2019

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

LeHarrt91 wrote: »

The magicka warden has now become a bit boring for me as not matter the build it always includes the only 4 damage skills the class has. We need more variety, please!

But please make it a dps increase, if they're gonna give us more damage skills at the cost of reducing our overall damage then please leave it as it is. I do think magdens are getting a buff by default with the upcoming changes to destro skill line and some of the class abilities in some regards.

It would be nice if they'd just make fletcher infection just an even damage skill, not that 50% increase every other cast. Maybe take the execute off the bear and put it on deep fissure? Also, increase the bears damage by 15% OR reduce the bears ultimate cost to 65 OR remove the bear as an ultimate and let us double bar it like a pet sorc perhaps give us a sharknado ultimate or something? 🤔

Adding new damage skills at the cost of lowering overall damage would not be a welcomed change. With the indirect buffs with the Wrathstone DLC Magden is looking a lot better its just we will still use the same 4 damage skills that we have. I do not want overall damage to lower at all and im not to fussed if it doesnt increase much if at all, i just want more class skill options.

ccmedaddy · January 2019

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

reduce the bears ultimate cost to 65

This is actually a really good idea. A nice PvE buff that doesn't make magdens any more overbearing in PvP than they already are right now.

But this will also buff stamwardens, which is the last thing this game needs....

Can we just delete stamwardens from the game so magdens can have nice things?

LeHarrt91 · January 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

reduce the bears ultimate cost to 65

This is actually a really good idea. A nice PvE buff that doesn't make magdens any more overbearing in PvP than they already are right now.

But this will also buff stamwardens, which is the last thing this game needs.... Can we just delete stamwardens from the game so magdens can have nice things?

Unless, its part of the magicka morph. so it reduces the cost and auto re spawns.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

reduce the bears ultimate cost to 65

This is actually a really good idea. A nice PvE buff that doesn't make magdens any more overbearing in PvP than they already are right now.

But this will also buff stamwardens, which is the last thing this game needs.... Can we just delete stamwardens from the game so magdens can have nice things?

I think bear doesn't need a buff. Its the only viable ultimate. Northern storm is sitting right there and it needs help.

ccmedaddy · January 2019

Wait Northern Storm needs help? In what way? It's an ult that gives you 8% max magicka, Major Protection, a huge snare and decent damage.

They'll never make it do as much DPS as destro ult, if that's what you're suggesting.

Not that I'm opposed to ZOS buffing my favorite PvP ult.

Maura_Neysa · January 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

MooseKnuckles88 wrote: »

reduce the bears ultimate cost to 65

This is actually a really good idea. A nice PvE buff that doesn't make magdens any more overbearing in PvP than they already are right now.

But this will also buff stamwardens, which is the last thing this game needs.... Can we just delete stamwardens from the game so magdens can have nice things?

Make it the Magic Bear morph option, instead of auto reviving the unkillable Bear

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Wait Northern Storm needs help? In what way? It's an ult that gives you 8% max magicka, Major Protection, a huge snare and decent damage.

They'll never make it do as much DPS as destro ult, if that's what you're suggesting.

Not that I'm opposed to ZOS buffing my favorite PvP ult.

If they Buff the 10% magic that would help. It would boost only MagDen DPS, it would have a smaller effect with Altmer change. Though honestly, I want it to stay behind Bear, the Bear gets a lot of hate already, because people are to lazy to learn how to use pets. They just let them target what ever instead of actually controlling them

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Wait Northern Storm needs help? In what way? It's an ult that gives you 8% max magicka, Major Protection, a huge snare and decent damage.

They'll never make it do as much DPS as destro ult, if that's what you're suggesting.

Not that I'm opposed to ZOS buffing my favorite PvP ult.

Northern storm is our other DPS ultimate. We need more of a reason to cast it and to chose it over bear in pve. Its also really janky. It would be better to slot if it was straight spell damage max magicka was nerfed partially anyway. Because thats essentially what it is. Increasing the bar size for no reason just means we are left with the amount of max magicka present on our backbar. Why should we double slot both of our ultimates?

GrumpyDuckling · January 2019

It would be great to get a permanent summoned wolf in the Animal Companion skill line. Wolf + Bear would be fun to use, and like a stamina version of a pet build that Sorcerer's are capable of playing.

NoMoreChillies · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

1. Please can we have a ranged execute? Something like Icicles or shards of ice from the roof.
2. Please can we have an ice spammable skill?.

We had an idea very similar to this. It's a rework of Crystallised slab. there are 2 versions of it. i'll give you v2. but v1 doesn't have the minor courage.

Crystallized Swords:

Embrace Atmora's Power giving you and nearby allies minor courage for 21 seconds. While active, Applying chilled on an enemy summons an ice sword around you. This can occur once every 3 seconds. You can have up to 3 swords at a time.

At any time after 1 sword is summoned, you can fire the swords to bombard an enemy. The first sword deals 230 frost damage. The second sword deals 330 frost damage. The final sword deals 410 frost damage and up to +150% more damage to targets below 50% health

The idea is a delayed burst skill similar to deep fissure and nightblade's grim focus skill. it's a proc skill. It works in rotation with warden's other skills. Essentially you have to build it up after minimum 9 seconds(max damage) to release the damage and then time it with your fissure burst. the execute isn't very big and neither is the individual sword's damage, it deals a decent amount of damage in a burst if all projectiles hit. Courage was placed there to give group utility to magden and to have it do something while you build it up. it's duration fits with other magden skills and is on the 3 second timer.

these base numbers are perhaps a little too low. but they are a reference point. and this skill will absolutely work better in pve. but it may see use in pvp, that is. if it was ever implemented.

seems like a lot of hoops to jump through just for an execute, and then it only works once until you jump through more hoops to build it again.

we don't want to make warden #1 dps. we just want to give them more skills to play around with while making chilled actually useful to a DD. this skill is there to activate around every 10 seconds for a nice bit of burst damage. and it should give magden just a little more juice in the damage dealing tank along with group viability to make magden worth using. if you're using Elemental weapon, or other frost skills which we are trying to make more appealing, it won't really be too bad of a hoop to jump through like you say.

no other class has conditions to their execute, why gimp warden?

a simple ice spammable and any kind of execute. 2 skills that would make magdens worthwhile. no conditions on using certain skills/buffs, just plain skills like other classes have.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

1. Please can we have a ranged execute? Something like Icicles or shards of ice from the roof.
2. Please can we have an ice spammable skill?.

We had an idea very similar to this. It's a rework of Crystallised slab. there are 2 versions of it. i'll give you v2. but v1 doesn't have the minor courage.

Crystallized Swords:

Embrace Atmora's Power giving you and nearby allies minor courage for 21 seconds. While active, Applying chilled on an enemy summons an ice sword around you. This can occur once every 3 seconds. You can have up to 3 swords at a time.

At any time after 1 sword is summoned, you can fire the swords to bombard an enemy. The first sword deals 230 frost damage. The second sword deals 330 frost damage. The final sword deals 410 frost damage and up to +150% more damage to targets below 50% health

The idea is a delayed burst skill similar to deep fissure and nightblade's grim focus skill. it's a proc skill. It works in rotation with warden's other skills. Essentially you have to build it up after minimum 9 seconds(max damage) to release the damage and then time it with your fissure burst. the execute isn't very big and neither is the individual sword's damage, it deals a decent amount of damage in a burst if all projectiles hit. Courage was placed there to give group utility to magden and to have it do something while you build it up. it's duration fits with other magden skills and is on the 3 second timer.

these base numbers are perhaps a little too low. but they are a reference point. and this skill will absolutely work better in pve. but it may see use in pvp, that is. if it was ever implemented.

seems like a lot of hoops to jump through just for an execute, and then it only works once until you jump through more hoops to build it again.

we don't want to make warden #1 dps. we just want to give them more skills to play around with while making chilled actually useful to a DD. this skill is there to activate around every 10 seconds for a nice bit of burst damage. and it should give magden just a little more juice in the damage dealing tank along with group viability to make magden worth using. if you're using Elemental weapon, or other frost skills which we are trying to make more appealing, it won't really be too bad of a hoop to jump through like you say.

no other class has conditions to their execute, why gimp warden?

a simple ice spammable and any kind of execute. 2 skills that would make magdens worthwhile. no conditions on using certain skills/buffs, just plain skills like other classes have.

Because we have another execute. Granted it has a condition too. Its an ultimate. But it might be a little much if we had bear and another really easy to acess execute. This way it's unique and not overpowered. We are trying to make it fair for other classes while boosting warden's performance. This skill idea would be different if bear didn't have an execute.

JazzyNova · January 2019

Imo... frost damage should equate to most of the warden's identity, similar to fire for magdks and lightning for magsorcs. Not only that, but giving these abilities such as SCR, fetcher infection, etc. frost dmg as opposed to plain magic dmg will result in more dps, but chilled status would need some work. The problem is that magdens are a lot like templars and nightblades, that is the bulk of their attacks are magic dmg.

Maura_Neysa · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Wait Northern Storm needs help? In what way? It's an ult that gives you 8% max magicka, Major Protection, a huge snare and decent damage.

They'll never make it do as much DPS as destro ult, if that's what you're suggesting.

Not that I'm opposed to ZOS buffing my favorite PvP ult.

Northern storm is our other DPS ultimate. We need more of a reason to cast it and to chose it over bear in pve. Its also really janky. It would be better to slot if it was straight spell damage max magicka was nerfed partially anyway. Because thats essentially what it is. Increasing the bar size for no reason just means we are left with the amount of max magicka present on our backbar. Why should we double slot both of our ultimates?

Max Mag wasn't nerfed at all. Max Mag is still 10:1 the worth of Spell Damage.
So on my 40k MagDen (Live is 45k) Then 8% is worth 3,200 Max Mag or 320 Spell Damge.
Since there is no % increase Spell Damage in the game, and there is still % Increase Max Mag, than stacking Max Mag is still the better option. As long as you are getting more than 10 mag per 1 spell damage.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Wait Northern Storm needs help? In what way? It's an ult that gives you 8% max magicka, Major Protection, a huge snare and decent damage.

They'll never make it do as much DPS as destro ult, if that's what you're suggesting.

Not that I'm opposed to ZOS buffing my favorite PvP ult.

Northern storm is our other DPS ultimate. We need more of a reason to cast it and to chose it over bear in pve. Its also really janky. It would be better to slot if it was straight spell damage max magicka was nerfed partially anyway. Because thats essentially what it is. Increasing the bar size for no reason just means we are left with the amount of max magicka present on our backbar. Why should we double slot both of our ultimates?

Max Mag wasn't nerfed at all. Max Mag is still 10:1 the worth of Spell Damage.
So on my 40k MagDen (Live is 45k) Then 8% is worth 3,200 Max Mag or 320 Spell Damge.
Since there is no % increase Spell Damage in the game, and there is still % Increase Max Mag, than stacking Max Mag is still the better option. As long as you are getting more than 10 mag per 1 spell damage.

the racial bonuses give less max mag now, correct? this means that stacking it was nerfed.

i don't think the passive should be removed. just MOVED to a passive so northern can receive a proper DPS morph. i understand that some people don't want this, however others do. this is an issue that has some people divided. there are many things you can do to northern to make it more viable in pve. but a full plan isn't developed yet. right now it's okay but needs work. but it's lower on the list of priorities.

Sinolai · January 2019

1. "Every-2nd-cast" mechanism on flies is weird. Rather just give it a damage boost or maybe make it execute DoT?
2. The bear morph that is supposed to summon itself back once it dies only forces you to do the long cast animation, interrupting what ever you were trying to do (eg. ressing people). Furthermore, this morph lost its main function when pets were made immortal in PvE (Not that it was helping really. The interrupting mechanism was still causing more harm than good).

3. Anti-Warden suggestion: Give the Defensive Warhorn back its major toughness. That ability was supposed to be defensive and it would give toughness buff back for those non-wardens who are ready to sacrifice the damage buff for it. You can leave Basic and Agressive Horn morphs as they are.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Sinolai wrote: »

1. "Every-2nd-cast" mechanism on flies is weird. Rather just give it a damage boost or maybe make it execute DoT?
2. The bear morph that is supposed to summon itself back once it dies only forces you to do the long cast animation, interrupting what ever you were trying to do (eg. ressing people). Furthermore, this morph lost its main function when pets were made immortal in PvE (Not that it was helping really. The interrupting mechanism was still causing more harm than good).

agreed. bear needs a new magden morph.

Maura_Neysa · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

1. Please can we have a ranged execute? Something like Icicles or shards of ice from the roof.
2. Please can we have an ice spammable skill?.

We had an idea very similar to this. It's a rework of Crystallised slab. there are 2 versions of it. i'll give you v2. but v1 doesn't have the minor courage.

Crystallized Swords:

Embrace Atmora's Power giving you and nearby allies minor courage for 21 seconds. While active, Applying chilled on an enemy summons an ice sword around you. This can occur once every 3 seconds. You can have up to 3 swords at a time.

At any time after 1 sword is summoned, you can fire the swords to bombard an enemy. The first sword deals 230 frost damage. The second sword deals 330 frost damage. The final sword deals 410 frost damage and up to +150% more damage to targets below 50% health

The idea is a delayed burst skill similar to deep fissure and nightblade's grim focus skill. it's a proc skill. It works in rotation with warden's other skills. Essentially you have to build it up after minimum 9 seconds(max damage) to release the damage and then time it with your fissure burst. the execute isn't very big and neither is the individual sword's damage, it deals a decent amount of damage in a burst if all projectiles hit. Courage was placed there to give group utility to magden and to have it do something while you build it up. it's duration fits with other magden skills and is on the 3 second timer.

these base numbers are perhaps a little too low. but they are a reference point. and this skill will absolutely work better in pve. but it may see use in pvp, that is. if it was ever implemented.

seems like a lot of hoops to jump through just for an execute, and then it only works once until you jump through more hoops to build it again.

we don't want to make warden #1 dps. we just want to give them more skills to play around with while making chilled actually useful to a DD. this skill is there to activate around every 10 seconds for a nice bit of burst damage. and it should give magden just a little more juice in the damage dealing tank along with group viability to make magden worth using. if you're using Elemental weapon, or other frost skills which we are trying to make more appealing, it won't really be too bad of a hoop to jump through like you say.

no other class has conditions to their execute, why gimp warden?

a simple ice spammable and any kind of execute. 2 skills that would make magdens worthwhile. no conditions on using certain skills/buffs, just plain skills like other classes have.

Because we have another execute. Granted it has a condition too. Its an ultimate. But it might be a little much if we had bear and another really easy to acess execute. This way it's unique and not overpowered. We are trying to make it fair for other classes while boosting warden's performance. This skill idea would be different if bear didn't have an execute.

Stamblade get Killers Blade and Poison Injection, Sorc Poison Injection and Implosion... just saying.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

1. Please can we have a ranged execute? Something like Icicles or shards of ice from the roof.
2. Please can we have an ice spammable skill?.

We had an idea very similar to this. It's a rework of Crystallised slab. there are 2 versions of it. i'll give you v2. but v1 doesn't have the minor courage.

Crystallized Swords:

Embrace Atmora's Power giving you and nearby allies minor courage for 21 seconds. While active, Applying chilled on an enemy summons an ice sword around you. This can occur once every 3 seconds. You can have up to 3 swords at a time.

At any time after 1 sword is summoned, you can fire the swords to bombard an enemy. The first sword deals 230 frost damage. The second sword deals 330 frost damage. The final sword deals 410 frost damage and up to +150% more damage to targets below 50% health

The idea is a delayed burst skill similar to deep fissure and nightblade's grim focus skill. it's a proc skill. It works in rotation with warden's other skills. Essentially you have to build it up after minimum 9 seconds(max damage) to release the damage and then time it with your fissure burst. the execute isn't very big and neither is the individual sword's damage, it deals a decent amount of damage in a burst if all projectiles hit. Courage was placed there to give group utility to magden and to have it do something while you build it up. it's duration fits with other magden skills and is on the 3 second timer.

these base numbers are perhaps a little too low. but they are a reference point. and this skill will absolutely work better in pve. but it may see use in pvp, that is. if it was ever implemented.

seems like a lot of hoops to jump through just for an execute, and then it only works once until you jump through more hoops to build it again.

we don't want to make warden #1 dps. we just want to give them more skills to play around with while making chilled actually useful to a DD. this skill is there to activate around every 10 seconds for a nice bit of burst damage. and it should give magden just a little more juice in the damage dealing tank along with group viability to make magden worth using. if you're using Elemental weapon, or other frost skills which we are trying to make more appealing, it won't really be too bad of a hoop to jump through like you say.

no other class has conditions to their execute, why gimp warden?

a simple ice spammable and any kind of execute. 2 skills that would make magdens worthwhile. no conditions on using certain skills/buffs, just plain skills like other classes have.

Because we have another execute. Granted it has a condition too. Its an ultimate. But it might be a little much if we had bear and another really easy to acess execute. This way it's unique and not overpowered. We are trying to make it fair for other classes while boosting warden's performance. This skill idea would be different if bear didn't have an execute.

Stamblade get Killers Blade and Poison Injection, Sorc Poison Injection and Implosion... just saying.

that IS true XD. it's possible to increase the effectiveness of the execute. from an "up to" to an "under" so it means it would deal the max damage straight up if the target was perhaps lower than 25% health.

Enzym3 · January 2019

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

WNxSiv wrote: »

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

it's mainly from a PvE perspective. but that doesn't mean magden can't use some more power in PvP. the changes we focus on are more towards the PvE side (again) you can pull some decent dps with magden and they are "strong" but northern storm and arctic blast aren't the most amazing. northern is definitely better by a significant amount. there are some people who use it for more DPS but there are those of us who want to make the it more effective for the area in which the class really really lacks. magden pve. as Bear is the only viable ultimate for it.

Enzym3 · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

it's mainly from a PvE perspective. but that doesn't mean magden can't use some more power in PvP. the changes we focus on are more towards the PvE side (again) you can pull some decent dps with magden and they are "strong" but northern storm and arctic blast aren't the most amazing. northern is definitely better by a significant amount. there are some people who use it for more DPS but there are those of us who want to make the it more effective for the area in which the class really really lacks. magden pve. as Bear is the only viable ultimate for it.

I can understand that, but why is 8% buff to max magicka a bad thing in pve though?

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

WNxSiv wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

it's mainly from a PvE perspective. but that doesn't mean magden can't use some more power in PvP. the changes we focus on are more towards the PvE side (again) you can pull some decent dps with magden and they are "strong" but northern storm and arctic blast aren't the most amazing. northern is definitely better by a significant amount. there are some people who use it for more DPS but there are those of us who want to make the it more effective for the area in which the class really really lacks. magden pve. as Bear is the only viable ultimate for it.

I can understand that, but why is 8% buff to max magicka a bad thing in pve though?

because it's not as good as bear. also feels janky to use when single slotting it which is not really how it should be anyways

Maura_Neysa · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

it's mainly from a PvE perspective. but that doesn't mean magden can't use some more power in PvP. the changes we focus on are more towards the PvE side (again) you can pull some decent dps with magden and they are "strong" but northern storm and arctic blast aren't the most amazing. northern is definitely better by a significant amount. there are some people who use it for more DPS but there are those of us who want to make the it more effective for the area in which the class really really lacks. magden pve. as Bear is the only viable ultimate for it.

I can understand that, but why is 8% buff to max magicka a bad thing in pve though?

because it's not as good as bear. also feels janky to use when single slotting it which is not really how it should be anyways

At the same time. the Bear gets so much hate, if it wasn't the better option, than no one would use it. It is a core skill of the Warden, ffs it was in the Morrowind Trialer

Enzym3 · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

it's mainly from a PvE perspective. but that doesn't mean magden can't use some more power in PvP. the changes we focus on are more towards the PvE side (again) you can pull some decent dps with magden and they are "strong" but northern storm and arctic blast aren't the most amazing. northern is definitely better by a significant amount. there are some people who use it for more DPS but there are those of us who want to make the it more effective for the area in which the class really really lacks. magden pve. as Bear is the only viable ultimate for it.

I can understand that, but why is 8% buff to max magicka a bad thing in pve though?

because it's not as good as bear.

Right, i guess the low cost and passive damage outdoes it in pve, if thats the case then maybe it would be a good idea to have the bear 1 barred so that you can still have that 8% buff on your dps bar?

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

WNxSiv wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

it's mainly from a PvE perspective. but that doesn't mean magden can't use some more power in PvP. the changes we focus on are more towards the PvE side (again) you can pull some decent dps with magden and they are "strong" but northern storm and arctic blast aren't the most amazing. northern is definitely better by a significant amount. there are some people who use it for more DPS but there are those of us who want to make the it more effective for the area in which the class really really lacks. magden pve. as Bear is the only viable ultimate for it.

I can understand that, but why is 8% buff to max magicka a bad thing in pve though?

because it's not as good as bear.

Right, i guess the low cost and passive damage outdoes it in pve, if thats the case then maybe it would be a good idea to have the bear 1 barred so that you can still have that 8% buff on your dps bar?

bear 1 bar is an idea we have discussed. but it's probably way to overpowered. it's probably a better idea to have it be a choice between bear/bear or Northern/Fiery Rage or Shooting Star.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

WNxSiv wrote: »

PVP-BG perspective for both stam and mag.. neither needs a buff, they both feel perfect where they are.. i do not understand people saying that northernstorm/permafrost need a buff because let me tell you, both morphs are OP.

mag keep it on your main dps bar, stam, backbar, pop, switch bars, dps.. next group

To be honest the most chatter i hear about wardens is that we are too strong, i personally have stopped playing every other class in pvp because these 2 are outrageous compared with other potential burst damage builds.(i do not like gameplay of NB).

I just can't understand any need to increase either wardens ability to kill you, just my honest opinion.

it's mainly from a PvE perspective. but that doesn't mean magden can't use some more power in PvP. the changes we focus on are more towards the PvE side (again) you can pull some decent dps with magden and they are "strong" but northern storm and arctic blast aren't the most amazing. northern is definitely better by a significant amount. there are some people who use it for more DPS but there are those of us who want to make the it more effective for the area in which the class really really lacks. magden pve. as Bear is the only viable ultimate for it.

I can understand that, but why is 8% buff to max magicka a bad thing in pve though?

because it's not as good as bear. also feels janky to use when single slotting it which is not really how it should be anyways

At the same time. the Bear gets so much hate, if it wasn't the better option, than no one would use it. It is a core skill of the Warden, ffs it was in the Morrowind Trialer

they should both be around the same DPS. yeah it's hard to do. but i don't want the bear useless. northern should be another competent choice though.

Seraphayel · January 2019

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

1. Please can we have a ranged execute? Something like Icicles or shards of ice from the roof.
2. Please can we have an ice spammable skill?.

We had an idea very similar to this. It's a rework of Crystallised slab. there are 2 versions of it. i'll give you v2. but v1 doesn't have the minor courage.

Crystallized Swords:

Embrace Atmora's Power giving you and nearby allies minor courage for 21 seconds. While active, Applying chilled on an enemy summons an ice sword around you. This can occur once every 3 seconds. You can have up to 3 swords at a time.

At any time after 1 sword is summoned, you can fire the swords to bombard an enemy. The first sword deals 230 frost damage. The second sword deals 330 frost damage. The final sword deals 410 frost damage and up to +150% more damage to targets below 50% health

The idea is a delayed burst skill similar to deep fissure and nightblade's grim focus skill. it's a proc skill. It works in rotation with warden's other skills. Essentially you have to build it up after minimum 9 seconds(max damage) to release the damage and then time it with your fissure burst. the execute isn't very big and neither is the individual sword's damage, it deals a decent amount of damage in a burst if all projectiles hit. Courage was placed there to give group utility to magden and to have it do something while you build it up. it's duration fits with other magden skills and is on the 3 second timer.

these base numbers are perhaps a little too low. but they are a reference point. and this skill will absolutely work better in pve. but it may see use in pvp, that is. if it was ever implemented.

seems like a lot of hoops to jump through just for an execute, and then it only works once until you jump through more hoops to build it again.

we don't want to make warden #1 dps. we just want to give them more skills to play around with while making chilled actually useful to a DD. this skill is there to activate around every 10 seconds for a nice bit of burst damage. and it should give magden just a little more juice in the damage dealing tank along with group viability to make magden worth using. if you're using Elemental weapon, or other frost skills which we are trying to make more appealing, it won't really be too bad of a hoop to jump through like you say.

no other class has conditions to their execute, why gimp warden?

a simple ice spammable and any kind of execute. 2 skills that would make magdens worthwhile. no conditions on using certain skills/buffs, just plain skills like other classes have.

Because we have another execute. Granted it has a condition too. Its an ultimate. But it might be a little much if we had bear and another really easy to acess execute. This way it's unique and not overpowered. We are trying to make it fair for other classes while boosting warden's performance. This skill idea would be different if bear didn't have an execute.

Stamblade get Killers Blade and Poison Injection, Sorc Poison Injection and Implosion... just saying.

Sorcs are losing Implosion and the reverse execute it turns into is no execute anymore.

Magicka DPS just should have a weapon execute like Bow, DW and 2h all have. I don't get it why Destruction Staff hasn't one. MagDK is missing an execute as well (I hardly consider the Warden execute as that).

I don't know which skill they could rework, maybe Destructive Reach morphs.

ESO_Nightingale · January 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

1. Please can we have a ranged execute? Something like Icicles or shards of ice from the roof.
2. Please can we have an ice spammable skill?.

We had an idea very similar to this. It's a rework of Crystallised slab. there are 2 versions of it. i'll give you v2. but v1 doesn't have the minor courage.

Crystallized Swords:

Embrace Atmora's Power giving you and nearby allies minor courage for 21 seconds. While active, Applying chilled on an enemy summons an ice sword around you. This can occur once every 3 seconds. You can have up to 3 swords at a time.

At any time after 1 sword is summoned, you can fire the swords to bombard an enemy. The first sword deals 230 frost damage. The second sword deals 330 frost damage. The final sword deals 410 frost damage and up to +150% more damage to targets below 50% health

The idea is a delayed burst skill similar to deep fissure and nightblade's grim focus skill. it's a proc skill. It works in rotation with warden's other skills. Essentially you have to build it up after minimum 9 seconds(max damage) to release the damage and then time it with your fissure burst. the execute isn't very big and neither is the individual sword's damage, it deals a decent amount of damage in a burst if all projectiles hit. Courage was placed there to give group utility to magden and to have it do something while you build it up. it's duration fits with other magden skills and is on the 3 second timer.

these base numbers are perhaps a little too low. but they are a reference point. and this skill will absolutely work better in pve. but it may see use in pvp, that is. if it was ever implemented.

seems like a lot of hoops to jump through just for an execute, and then it only works once until you jump through more hoops to build it again.

we don't want to make warden #1 dps. we just want to give them more skills to play around with while making chilled actually useful to a DD. this skill is there to activate around every 10 seconds for a nice bit of burst damage. and it should give magden just a little more juice in the damage dealing tank along with group viability to make magden worth using. if you're using Elemental weapon, or other frost skills which we are trying to make more appealing, it won't really be too bad of a hoop to jump through like you say.

no other class has conditions to their execute, why gimp warden?

a simple ice spammable and any kind of execute. 2 skills that would make magdens worthwhile. no conditions on using certain skills/buffs, just plain skills like other classes have.

Because we have another execute. Granted it has a condition too. Its an ultimate. But it might be a little much if we had bear and another really easy to acess execute. This way it's unique and not overpowered. We are trying to make it fair for other classes while boosting warden's performance. This skill idea would be different if bear didn't have an execute.

Stamblade get Killers Blade and Poison Injection, Sorc Poison Injection and Implosion... just saying.

Sorcs are losing Implosion and the reverse execute it turns into is no execute anymore.

Magicka DPS just should have a weapon execute like Bow, DW and 2h all have. I don't get it why Destruction Staff hasn't one. MagDK is missing an execute as well (I hardly consider the Warden execute as that).

I don't know which skill they could rework, maybe Destructive Reach morphs.

true, i think we could use some form of execute on the destro staff. maybe impulse? i have no idea if that would even be remotely balanced.

Grianasteri · January 2019

Loads I could comment on.

- Id like to see the Warden get a group "purge" ability, that's the main area I feel Templar healers excel above a Warden, so giving the Warden a rough equivalence would be ideal. One of the existing heal powers should have a purge synergy added to it for the group to activate.

Just to say, I love my two Warden characters, a healer and a tank. I especially like my healer. I can see that trying to use a Warden for DPS, or PVP specifically, may present more "pain points".

A lot of mention of CC... but wardens get Impaling shards morph and Arctic wind morph, both of which (from memory) can stun. I guess for folk who play PVP a ranged reliable stun is a must so I get that.

ccmedaddy · January 2019

Northern Strom is a perfectly fine ult and it needs to stay the way it is. Most class ultimates suck for DPS anyways so I don't understand why some people here think every single ult in this game needs to be balanced around endgame PvE.

Enzym3 · January 2019

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Maura_Neysa wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

ESO_Nightingale wrote: »

NoMoreChillies wrote: »

1. Please can we have a ranged execute? Something like Icicles or shards of ice from the roof.
2. Please can we have an ice spammable skill?.

We had an idea very similar to this. It's a rework of Crystallised slab. there are 2 versions of it. i'll give you v2. but v1 doesn't have the minor courage.

Crystallized Swords:

Embrace Atmora's Power giving you and nearby allies minor courage for 21 seconds. While active, Applying chilled on an enemy summons an ice sword around you. This can occur once every 3 seconds. You can have up to 3 swords at a time.

At any time after 1 sword is summoned, you can fire the swords to bombard an enemy. The first sword deals 230 frost damage. The second sword deals 330 frost damage. The final sword deals 410 frost damage and up to +150% more damage to targets below 50% health

The idea is a delayed burst skill similar to deep fissure and nightblade's grim focus skill. it's a proc skill. It works in rotation with warden's other skills. Essentially you have to build it up after minimum 9 seconds(max damage) to release the damage and then time it with your fissure burst. the execute isn't very big and neither is the individual sword's damage, it deals a decent amount of damage in a burst if all projectiles hit. Courage was placed there to give group utility to magden and to have it do something while you build it up. it's duration fits with other magden skills and is on the 3 second timer.

these base numbers are perhaps a little too low. but they are a reference point. and this skill will absolutely work better in pve. but it may see use in pvp, that is. if it was ever implemented.

seems like a lot of hoops to jump through just for an execute, and then it only works once until you jump through more hoops to build it again.

we don't want to make warden #1 dps. we just want to give them more skills to play around with while making chilled actually useful to a DD. this skill is there to activate around every 10 seconds for a nice bit of burst damage. and it should give magden just a little more juice in the damage dealing tank along with group viability to make magden worth using. if you're using Elemental weapon, or other frost skills which we are trying to make more appealing, it won't really be too bad of a hoop to jump through like you say.

no other class has conditions to their execute, why gimp warden?

a simple ice spammable and any kind of execute. 2 skills that would make magdens worthwhile. no conditions on using certain skills/buffs, just plain skills like other classes have.

Because we have another execute. Granted it has a condition too. Its an ultimate. But it might be a little much if we had bear and another really easy to acess execute. This way it's unique and not overpowered. We are trying to make it fair for other classes while boosting warden's performance. This skill idea would be different if bear didn't have an execute.

Stamblade get Killers Blade and Poison Injection, Sorc Poison Injection and Implosion... just saying.

Sorcs are losing Implosion and the reverse execute it turns into is no execute anymore.

Magicka DPS just should have a weapon execute like Bow, DW and 2h all have. I don't get it why Destruction Staff hasn't one. MagDK is missing an execute as well (I hardly consider the Warden execute as that).

I don't know which skill they could rework, maybe Destructive Reach morphs.

true, i think we could use some form of execute on the destro staff. maybe impulse? i have no idea if that would even be remotely balanced.

that sounds horrible to me, basically an area execute on top of minor mangle, that really would not work, but in the case of mag there really is no execute.

Why not use the useless swarm (my opinion) and make that into some sort of execute, it's a completely redundant skill in pvp, and without a stam morph you don't need to worry about stamden using that skill instead of a weapon skill line execute.