Everyone here is speaking about gank blades, bow blades and Not really about cloak itself. So whats really the issue- cloak or sniper/ ganker?Shade + cloak is really broken
Shade is broken in a negative way, yes. It needs a fix.
And shade is more important than cloak ... Interesting point: cloak was much better in the past than now ( purge) but yeah . We will see what is going to be happen
Knootewoot wrote: »Cloak itself is NOT the issue. Magblades are NOT the issue.
Stamblade however. Medium armor passives however and some medium armors itself.
Cloak works fine, and so do detection potions.
But combine cloak with stamblade, a very mobile hard hitting class.
Add medium armor passives, which reduce stealth detection 5 % per piece.
Then add medium armor sets that reduce stealth detection even more, and yes.. Cloak is suddenly OP.
But it's not cloak. It's everything medium armor and stamblade does.
REQUIRES 5 PIECES OF LIGHT ARMOR EQUIPPED.
Agreed. Detection area reduction on Medium armor should go. Replace it with Health recovery for the lulz. And then maybe give 5/10% detect-area reduction to NB passive (e.g. Dark Veil), they're the stealthy class after all.Knootewoot wrote: »Stamblade however. Medium armor passives however and some medium armors itself.
Knootewoot wrote: »One solution to cloak could be....
Cloak:REQUIRES 5 PIECES OF LIGHT ARMOR EQUIPPED.
Stamblades have their dodge roll and vigor to get away. Snipers won't cloak but can run away. They still have the element of suprise using crouch (stealth), but after that it's fight or flight.
Magblades (mainly the melee) won't be hurt.
@ZOS_GinaBruno winner winner, chicken dinner. We can do this next update so this topic and all the 100 others can be closed
CatchMeTrolling wrote: »People complain about it all the time. People complain about cloak in general.
people must have tired of pointing out core flaws in the game then, because I haven't seen much bashing on it among the usual topics
Kidgangster101 wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »illusion school of magic
remove cloak and 50% of your playerbase to say the least will disappear
is it not magnificent? I mean, just pure Ilussion School
no its not. i doubt that there are so many pvpers in the game. 50% of 2% of playerbase is more realistic. 99% of this 50% will eat nerf and adapt.
Yes, it is. Given the nonsensical and non-asked-for latest changes in Murkmire (and all the previous ones), if they nerf cloak it'll mean the final nail in the coffin for ESO for many players. Why? most of their playerbase will realize ESO devs don't know or care *** about them or their own game.
There's a lot of countermeasures against cloak but potato players have to go full potato and prove they'll remain potatoes.
Why don't you NERFwagoners ask for BUFFs for your class instead and stop *** around??
The only real counter to a snipe spammer trying to gank you from a distance is dk wings. It is a great feeling when you see a projectile you didn't know was coming reflect back and kill the nb lolol
Lol if 50% of the population quit pvp because they can't cloak it would actually show how pathetic you guys really are.
Many classes have had to deal with so many nerfs. Templar and dk been nerfed so many times because of the community and yet they just adapted and are good.
Sorcs got streak and shields nerfed and adapted.
So you are telling me you couldn't adapt to a Nerf to your class because you can't see the move is so stupid? Lol
My recommendation is to remove cloak so you can't hide but instead nightblades should get evasion back so you have a 25% Dodge chance. You guys would keep elusiveness and still have a class skill the is exclusive to just you.
It would put an end to these stupid gank builds that take all skill out of the game and it makes it so every class can actually fight.
You guys don't get it, what I'm trying to make you understand is we don't need more nerfs, enough is enough already. If you can't fight against nightblades in their current state is clearly a l2p issue, sorry. And yeah, removing cloak would be the most stupid move from ZoS they could possibly make, a nightblade without invisibility is a watered-down brawler and we have plenty of them from other classes.
Murkmire made me leave for 5 and a half months, out of anger and frustation. The patch that comes removing cloak, knowing beforehand it came from whining posts like this one, I would definitely quit and they can stick their necromancer up to their ***
So glad to see you don't understand the power a NB can have with cloak lol. You think this is okay. Cloak snipe light attack cloak snipe and instant profit. Wait the otk didn't work and he sees me let me cloak and hide lol. Wait he found me and almost killed me cloak Dodge vigor rally cloak full health let me try to gank again. No other class can reset a fight like NB. Sorcs could but streak got nerfed.
So me surviving a NB over and over trying to gank and stunning me is a l2p issue. What I think the real l2p issue here is that nightblades been using cheese tactics since launch all involving cloak. I deal with my nerfs as a Templar and a dk. Even now a popular topic is to Nerf healing again because a lot of people can't 1 shot a healing class lol.
You are out of your mind if your going to be tell me that nb doesn't need a change. I'm glad you need a crutch to lean on because you can't or don't want to actually do a fight against another player 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You just want the illussion you are good at the game so you can make yourself feel better at night. Go YouTube some night blade gank videos you will see Sooooooo many one shots to players and guess what? All of them involve cloak
There's my evidence now where is yours that cloak shouldn't be nerfed other than crying? Lol
RighteousBacon wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »illusion school of magic
remove cloak and 50% of your playerbase to say the least will disappear
is it not magnificent? I mean, just pure Ilussion School
no its not. i doubt that there are so many pvpers in the game. 50% of 2% of playerbase is more realistic. 99% of this 50% will eat nerf and adapt.
Yes, it is. Given the nonsensical and non-asked-for latest changes in Murkmire (and all the previous ones), if they nerf cloak it'll mean the final nail in the coffin for ESO for many players. Why? most of their playerbase will realize ESO devs don't know or care *** about them or their own game.
There's a lot of countermeasures against cloak but potato players have to go full potato and prove they'll remain potatoes.
Why don't you NERFwagoners ask for BUFFs for your class instead and stop *** around??
The only real counter to a snipe spammer trying to gank you from a distance is dk wings. It is a great feeling when you see a projectile you didn't know was coming reflect back and kill the nb lolol
Lol if 50% of the population quit pvp because they can't cloak it would actually show how pathetic you guys really are.
Many classes have had to deal with so many nerfs. Templar and dk been nerfed so many times because of the community and yet they just adapted and are good.
Sorcs got streak and shields nerfed and adapted.
So you are telling me you couldn't adapt to a Nerf to your class because you can't see the move is so stupid? Lol
My recommendation is to remove cloak so you can't hide but instead nightblades should get evasion back so you have a 25% Dodge chance. You guys would keep elusiveness and still have a class skill the is exclusive to just you.
It would put an end to these stupid gank builds that take all skill out of the game and it makes it so every class can actually fight.
You guys don't get it, what I'm trying to make you understand is we don't need more nerfs, enough is enough already. If you can't fight against nightblades in their current state is clearly a l2p issue, sorry. And yeah, removing cloak would be the most stupid move from ZoS they could possibly make, a nightblade without invisibility is a watered-down brawler and we have plenty of them from other classes.
Murkmire made me leave for 5 and a half months, out of anger and frustation. The patch that comes removing cloak, knowing beforehand it came from whining posts like this one, I would definitely quit and they can stick their necromancer up to their ***
So glad to see you don't understand the power a NB can have with cloak lol. You think this is okay. Cloak snipe light attack cloak snipe and instant profit. Wait the otk didn't work and he sees me let me cloak and hide lol. Wait he found me and almost killed me cloak Dodge vigor rally cloak full health let me try to gank again. No other class can reset a fight like NB. Sorcs could but streak got nerfed.
So me surviving a NB over and over trying to gank and stunning me is a l2p issue. What I think the real l2p issue here is that nightblades been using cheese tactics since launch all involving cloak. I deal with my nerfs as a Templar and a dk. Even now a popular topic is to Nerf healing again because a lot of people can't 1 shot a healing class lol.
You are out of your mind if your going to be tell me that nb doesn't need a change. I'm glad you need a crutch to lean on because you can't or don't want to actually do a fight against another player 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You just want the illussion you are good at the game so you can make yourself feel better at night. Go YouTube some night blade gank videos you will see Sooooooo many one shots to players and guess what? All of them involve cloak
There's my evidence now where is yours that cloak shouldn't be nerfed other than crying? Lol
Bro I can’t believe you’re complaining about bowtards lol. They are literally free kills to anyone with headphones who knows how to counter them. When you hear snipe, dodge roll, look at the arch to find it’s origin. Next if the sniper hasn’t cloaked, stun him or get close to his origin. You say you play a Templar and dk. So dk has wings and some aoe skills. Templar has jabs and a ranged stun. All of these are great tools to narrowing down the location of the sniper and keeping them out of stealth. Especially on a Templar, you can just spear stun them and jab them till they die as the spam cloak. Because yes, most gankers aren’t skilled nb players, they rely on cloak. So if you can negate cloak...you win. It’s so easy
ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »Learn to drink a detect potion. Sheesh.
clocksstoppe wrote: »Lol detect pots. Are you guys unironically suggesting people use shitpots and ruin their build synergy just to counter one single skill on a NB's bar?
brandonv516 wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Lol detect pots. Are you guys unironically suggesting people use shitpots and ruin their build synergy just to counter one single skill on a NB's bar?
Yes. There is a purpose for them whether you decide to use them or not. Same reason it's encouraged to slot a single skill to counter a single skill.
brandonv516 wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Lol detect pots. Are you guys unironically suggesting people use shitpots and ruin their build synergy just to counter one single skill on a NB's bar?
Yes. There is a purpose for them whether you decide to use them or not. Same reason it's encouraged to slot a single skill to counter a single skill.
Kidgangster101 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Lol detect pots. Are you guys unironically suggesting people use shitpots and ruin their build synergy just to counter one single skill on a NB's bar?
Yes. There is a purpose for them whether you decide to use them or not. Same reason it's encouraged to slot a single skill to counter a single skill.
Again non nbs need to use something to fight a class where as a NB doesn't need to waste a slot to fight other players it seems legit. I would love for NB to look like elusive mist so they can't heal great and reset fights as they so please. And so it shows where they are no problem.
And I also think any channel move should pop stealth when you start cast. Why do you guys get a huge damage bonus plus free stun on moves that can be easily dodged if your not in stealth just like every other class?
brandonv516 wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »clocksstoppe wrote: »Lol detect pots. Are you guys unironically suggesting people use shitpots and ruin their build synergy just to counter one single skill on a NB's bar?
Yes. There is a purpose for them whether you decide to use them or not. Same reason it's encouraged to slot a single skill to counter a single skill.
Again non nbs need to use something to fight a class where as a NB doesn't need to waste a slot to fight other players it seems legit. I would love for NB to look like elusive mist so they can't heal great and reset fights as they so please. And so it shows where they are no problem.
And I also think any channel move should pop stealth when you start cast. Why do you guys get a huge damage bonus plus free stun on moves that can be easily dodged if your not in stealth just like every other class?
Oh you mean like my ranged Magblade who needs to slot specific skills to counter Wings from DKs?
Ruins the flow of my build. I don't feel sorry for non-NBs.
Kidgangster101 wrote: »RighteousBacon wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »Kidgangster101 wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »oxygen_thief wrote: »SpiderCultist wrote: »illusion school of magic
remove cloak and 50% of your playerbase to say the least will disappear
is it not magnificent? I mean, just pure Ilussion School
no its not. i doubt that there are so many pvpers in the game. 50% of 2% of playerbase is more realistic. 99% of this 50% will eat nerf and adapt.
Yes, it is. Given the nonsensical and non-asked-for latest changes in Murkmire (and all the previous ones), if they nerf cloak it'll mean the final nail in the coffin for ESO for many players. Why? most of their playerbase will realize ESO devs don't know or care *** about them or their own game.
There's a lot of countermeasures against cloak but potato players have to go full potato and prove they'll remain potatoes.
Why don't you NERFwagoners ask for BUFFs for your class instead and stop *** around??
The only real counter to a snipe spammer trying to gank you from a distance is dk wings. It is a great feeling when you see a projectile you didn't know was coming reflect back and kill the nb lolol
Lol if 50% of the population quit pvp because they can't cloak it would actually show how pathetic you guys really are.
Many classes have had to deal with so many nerfs. Templar and dk been nerfed so many times because of the community and yet they just adapted and are good.
Sorcs got streak and shields nerfed and adapted.
So you are telling me you couldn't adapt to a Nerf to your class because you can't see the move is so stupid? Lol
My recommendation is to remove cloak so you can't hide but instead nightblades should get evasion back so you have a 25% Dodge chance. You guys would keep elusiveness and still have a class skill the is exclusive to just you.
It would put an end to these stupid gank builds that take all skill out of the game and it makes it so every class can actually fight.
You guys don't get it, what I'm trying to make you understand is we don't need more nerfs, enough is enough already. If you can't fight against nightblades in their current state is clearly a l2p issue, sorry. And yeah, removing cloak would be the most stupid move from ZoS they could possibly make, a nightblade without invisibility is a watered-down brawler and we have plenty of them from other classes.
Murkmire made me leave for 5 and a half months, out of anger and frustation. The patch that comes removing cloak, knowing beforehand it came from whining posts like this one, I would definitely quit and they can stick their necromancer up to their ***
So glad to see you don't understand the power a NB can have with cloak lol. You think this is okay. Cloak snipe light attack cloak snipe and instant profit. Wait the otk didn't work and he sees me let me cloak and hide lol. Wait he found me and almost killed me cloak Dodge vigor rally cloak full health let me try to gank again. No other class can reset a fight like NB. Sorcs could but streak got nerfed.
So me surviving a NB over and over trying to gank and stunning me is a l2p issue. What I think the real l2p issue here is that nightblades been using cheese tactics since launch all involving cloak. I deal with my nerfs as a Templar and a dk. Even now a popular topic is to Nerf healing again because a lot of people can't 1 shot a healing class lol.
You are out of your mind if your going to be tell me that nb doesn't need a change. I'm glad you need a crutch to lean on because you can't or don't want to actually do a fight against another player 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
You just want the illussion you are good at the game so you can make yourself feel better at night. Go YouTube some night blade gank videos you will see Sooooooo many one shots to players and guess what? All of them involve cloak
There's my evidence now where is yours that cloak shouldn't be nerfed other than crying? Lol
Bro I can’t believe you’re complaining about bowtards lol. They are literally free kills to anyone with headphones who knows how to counter them. When you hear snipe, dodge roll, look at the arch to find it’s origin. Next if the sniper hasn’t cloaked, stun him or get close to his origin. You say you play a Templar and dk. So dk has wings and some aoe skills. Templar has jabs and a ranged stun. All of these are great tools to narrowing down the location of the sniper and keeping them out of stealth. Especially on a Templar, you can just spear stun them and jab them till they die as the spam cloak. Because yes, most gankers aren’t skilled nb players, they rely on cloak. So if you can negate cloak...you win. It’s so easy
Yeah see I don't have problems on my dk and my Templar is way to tank nbs usually leave me alone when I'm on them, but you don't see an issue with a range move doing that much damage? Lol
I don't play with my volume on so I just deal with it. I know your going to say that's my problem but that doesn't bother me lol what bothers me is no class as so much up front benefits like nightblades and you pair that with all the armor pen they can stack and it is a recipe for a gank build.
What I keep trying to say that all nightblades defend is that gank builds shouldn't exist because you are playing pvp. When a class can one shot from not even being seen and if not one shot pretty damn close and add a stun into it so they can finish you off takes out the player vs player aspect.
There is counters to NB but most have short range, insane cost to spam, and a item you need to invest money into just to try to fight only one class. That class doesn't need to do anything special to fight any other class but yet every single no NB class needs to adjust to a NB. That is a game flaw imo
Maybe cloak can turn you into a mirage vs 100% invisible to confuse players? Also detect pots need a buff time wise.