Werewolf Theorycrafting (PvP)

ScardyFox · October 2018

So whats the hypothetical go-to (rune) for double infused?

IlCanis_LupuslI · October 2018

they might have coded the axe bleeed as "minor bleed" and the ww bleed as a "major bleed" weapon ability....
I hate ZOS for *** up ww, but i

u guys for the changes you made to it. if it would work properly(console) it would be amazing to play

IlCanis_LupuslI · October 2018

a bit of old ww gameplay as it was unbugged :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IOGzSoV_pI&t=104s

Marcusito · October 2018

I used to run the sets with Major Defile while raiding in Cyro. Others in my pack would run more damage. Now with the weapon passives no longer working and the 10k increase in spell and physical resist I’m going to rethink what I’m doing for PvP. Enjoying ww in so far PvE though.

Aznox · October 2018

Just bumping my favorite old thread to state the obvious :

I replaced my Shacklebreaker with Torug, dual infused instead of nirn/infused, and i've got oblivion+aborb stamina on my werewolf bar ... i haven't yet felt threatened by anyone in 1v1 outside of a very skilled stamblade, be it no-CP BG or CP Duels.

Playing in BG felt great even at high MMR where letting the wolf out in solo queue is usually hazardous, probably because everyone is doing more damage, and so it is harder for your opponent to temporize until one of his friend can peel you out of him. The absorb stamina glyphs also helps sustaining mobility with a high damage, low-regen build.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

ScardyFox · October 2018

I probably won't be touching PvP till this crap-show passes. This is too much cheese for me.

IlCanis_LupuslI · October 2018

I've stopped running solo anyways.... I stopped beeing fun a long time ago. I rum with 5-6 other players who know their stuff and debuff groups for them while "sniffing" out healers(excuse the pun on words

) and calling them out. In group vs uncoordinated group master weapons and bleeds don't help you much when having to manage so many targets anyway that's why I enjoy it.

IlCanis_LupuslI · November 2018

My Werewolf Setup for this patch. the race is personal choice, there is no BiS here.
No its not a Enchant proc build with Torugs!

Hope you guys like it, dont forget to drop a thumbs up

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VfI6bviXutg

ccmedaddy · December 2018

Is heavy armor still the only way to go for WW PvP? I'm thinking about going w/ Desert Rose or Prisoners jewelry+weapons (3xProtective)+hulking body+troll king so I can take advantage of MA passives while still having good mag sustain and defense, but I don't want to waste transmute stones only to find out it's worse than my old build (7th+bone pirate).

Aznox · December 2018

Heavy is going to be better for PvP.
- you are taking Desert Rose for mag sustain but you are missing mag sustain from heavy armor passives
- you are taking medium armor for it's passives but you are going max stam with hulking instead of weapon damage
- you are taking troll king but not boosting it with armor passives

Desert Rose + 7th + TK would work very well in heavy and at resist cap if you want to play those sets.

Aznox · December 2018

Most things that make medium armor viable for stam pvp don't work with werewolf :
- higher weapon damage and crit don't boost your healing in werewolf
- stamregen is not that good on werewolf because you can sustain from heavy attack and don't loose much damage when just auto attacking

ccmedaddy · December 2018

Good points. I keep forgetting how useful the heavy armor passives are for WW. Thanks for saving me 150 transmute stones.

Qbiken · December 2018

Medium can be viable if you aim to go towards a more damage oriented route. If running medium armor I would highly recommend using impregnable. And then run sets like Ravager, Veiled Heritance, Truth (if using Ferocious Roar) on weapons and jewelry. But I don´t recommend using medium on werewolf if you go solo. For group play with a healer/support medium can work really well however.

IlCanis_LupuslI · December 2018

@Qbiken tested fortified with a drain magica enchant on ww, works very well even solo(stamplar)

Vesper_BR · December 2018

Sup pack brothers!
What u guys recommend for a non cp dps werewolf? Set wise.

Amdar_Godkiller · December 2018

I only run medium armor on my wolves in PVP, and Prisoner's Rags is still the best set for your weapons and jewelry. Probably even more so than before the changes. I've found that it works great in tandem with kena and acuity. Great, constant heals, ridiculous bleed ticks, the ability to use your speed defensively (even with the speed buff bug), and literally the best 1vx setup I've ever run on any WW.

I also run darkstride with prisoners and kena sometimes, (particularly as a scroll-running/perma-sprint build) and switch out kena for troll king on the build above occasionally as well.

ccmedaddy · December 2018

I'm back with more questions:

Any thoughts on Blood Moon for PvP, especially for BGs? I'm thinking about combining it with heavy Shackle.

Also, where do people get their Major Brutality from? I'm using Hircine's Rage at the moment but I hate that I'm missing out on better heals. But then I also don't want to give up on tri-pots or be forced to use Dreugh King Slayer. All very unappetizing options tbh.

Dashmatt · December 2018

ccmedaddy wrote: »

I'm back with more questions:

Any thoughts on Blood Moon for PvP, especially for BGs? I'm thinking about combining it with heavy Shackle.

Also, where do people get their Major Brutality from? I'm using Hircine's Rage at the moment but I hate that I'm missing out on better heals. But then I also don't want to give up on tri-pots or be forced to use Dreugh King Slayer. All very unappetizing options tbh.

Personally I just went with Hircine’s Rage. Having flexibility with potions is more important to me than a higher tooltip on the heal.

Blood Moon + Shacklebreaker sounds like a fun combo, especially if you have group support and could get away with Molag Kena as your monster set. One thing to keep in mind is that the Light Attack damage bonus is not as big as sounds, since a big part of your damage comes from the bleed being reapplied every hit (so you do benefit quite a bit from the speed bonus). The main reason I haven’t tried it is that it has a 5 second duration and 18 second cooldown. You could spend half the duration being knocked back by a javelin or Flame Reach. The Automaton set would likely provide more consistent damage in BGs, even if it is less exciting.

Chrlynsch · December 2018

Bloodmoon is pretty hard to proc in pvp, most wolves run heavy or even in medium run with lower crit than in pve. Targets are more mobile and are harder to land hits on. That being said Ive had good success on one of my wolves but it is because I used it in tandem with Mechanical Acuity. MA's proc helps your Proc rate of BM. If by chance BM and MA goes off at the same time... Hircine have mercy on your prey's soul.

Heal morph: I use infused potion cooldown glyphs on my wolf so I will weave brutality pots into my rotation. So the higher heal is choice.

ccmedaddy · December 2018

Dashmatt wrote: »

Personally I just went with Hircine’s Rage. Having flexibility with potions is more important to me than a higher tooltip on the heal.

Blood Moon + Shacklebreaker sounds like a fun combo, especially if you have group support and could get away with Molag Kena as your monster set. One thing to keep in mind is that the Light Attack damage bonus is not as big as sounds, since a big part of your damage comes from the bleed being reapplied every hit (so you do benefit quite a bit from the speed bonus). The main reason I haven’t tried it is that it has a 5 second duration and 18 second cooldown. You could spend half the duration being knocked back by a javelin or Flame Reach. The Automaton set would likely provide more consistent damage in BGs, even if it is less exciting.

Yeah the cooldown and the proc chance are what's keeping me from using the set, and the 5 second window is pretty small too.

Automaton was the very first set I used on my WW and I might just go back to it since I don't think Briarheart is working out for me.

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Bloodmoon is pretty hard to proc in pvp, most wolves run heavy or even in medium run with lower crit than in pve. Targets are more mobile and are harder to land hits on. That being said Ive had good success on one of my wolves but it is because I used it in tandem with Mechanical Acuity. MA's proc helps your Proc rate of BM. If by chance BM and MA goes off at the same time... Hircine have mercy on your prey's soul.

Heal morph: I use infused potion cooldown glyphs on my wolf so I will weave brutality pots into my rotation. So the higher heal is choice.

I'm intrigued. I'm guessing that the chance of both sets proccing together is pretty small but I can see how that combo could be deadly. I'm gonna give it a shot for sh*ts and giggles.

Chrlynsch · December 2018

ccmedaddy wrote: »

Dashmatt wrote: »

Personally I just went with Hircine’s Rage. Having flexibility with potions is more important to me than a higher tooltip on the heal.

Blood Moon + Shacklebreaker sounds like a fun combo, especially if you have group support and could get away with Molag Kena as your monster set. One thing to keep in mind is that the Light Attack damage bonus is not as big as sounds, since a big part of your damage comes from the bleed being reapplied every hit (so you do benefit quite a bit from the speed bonus). The main reason I haven’t tried it is that it has a 5 second duration and 18 second cooldown. You could spend half the duration being knocked back by a javelin or Flame Reach. The Automaton set would likely provide more consistent damage in BGs, even if it is less exciting.

Yeah the cooldown and the proc chance are what's keeping me from using the set, and the 5 second window is pretty small too.

Automaton was the very first set I used on my WW and I might just go back to it since I don't think Briarheart is working out for me.

Chrlynsch wrote: »

Bloodmoon is pretty hard to proc in pvp, most wolves run heavy or even in medium run with lower crit than in pve. Targets are more mobile and are harder to land hits on. That being said Ive had good success on one of my wolves but it is because I used it in tandem with Mechanical Acuity. MA's proc helps your Proc rate of BM. If by chance BM and MA goes off at the same time... Hircine have mercy on your prey's soul.

Heal morph: I use infused potion cooldown glyphs on my wolf so I will weave brutality pots into my rotation. So the higher heal is choice.

I'm intrigued. I'm guessing that the chance of both sets proccing together is pretty small but I can see how that combo could be deadly. I'm gonna give it a shot for sh*ts and giggles.

The chance is small, but building into the Bloodmoon is the goal. A Bloodmoon proc is absolutely lethal in pvp. And usually people have blown their defensive resources recovering and avoiding the MA proc. It is a really fun build to play but is best with support.

tunepunk · January 2019

I replaced my monster set with iceheart with much success when it comes to survivability of my WW. It's pretty much up constantly while hammering away, and saves me a lot of healing. Seems to work pretty well both for PvP and and Solo. The shield isn't the biggest but it eats a good amount of damage, which also gives you more time to react with the heal.

Other plus points.
* Triggers on Crits. Yep, your bleed and disease dots even out of combat while enemies are running away, or you are escaping battle.
* With recent changes to Damage shields Benefits from Werewolf naturally high resists.

IlCanis_LupuslI · January 2019

Your a console player and have no idea how to optimize your builds since we don't have all the fancy add ons pc has? Check out this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ngiW80d9I&t=1050s

IlCanis_LupuslI · January 2019

What's your experience with molag kena in pvp on stamsorc ww in heavy? @Qbiken @CrazyWolf712
Tried storm fist trollking and slimecraw but they aren't hitting the spot

Qbiken · January 2019

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

What's your experience with molag kena in pvp on stamsorc ww in heavy? @Qbiken @CrazyWolf712
Tried storm fist trollking and slimecraw but they aren't hitting the spot

Stopped using molag kena 2 piece when ZOS changed the heal to scale of max HP. I still use the one piece from time to time, but the 2 piece is not sustainable. I´m quite comfortable with running lower weapon damage and going on a more defensive route since werewolfs got a "natural" offensive toolkit from their skilline by default. I prefer to run defensive monster sets like Pirate Skeleton or combine one piece chudan + one piece pirate skeleton.

IlCanis_LupuslI · January 2019

I'm using heavy fortified so my resistances are good. Any suggestions? Maby Zaan? Or something else? @Qbiken

IlCanis_LupuslI · January 2019

TK only proccs at 50% health so usually that's when people start spamming burst kombos Idk i might give TK another shot.

Qbiken · January 2019

I mean, if you feel that you can sustain 2-piece Kena then go for it, but I really like to play around with 1 piece bonuses on monster sets. So using 1 piece kena + 1 piece velidreth is also a nice option.

thedude33 · January 2019

I have a blast on my SorcWolf running around solo in Cyrodil. I also enjoy BGs with him. I didn't see this thread until recently so didn't have any idea how to set him up. Mine is currently overboard with tankiness. Will look to make some changes and maybe switch tp Pelinial/Mech acuity.

Now I just need to find a Werewolf partner to roam around Cyrodil with !

KharnTheUndying · January 2019

Do you guys think dk is the best class for ww since the change to implosion?