TiaFrye wrote: »

sozo108 wrote: »

I like that in the current vet DLC dungeons the skins and collectible rewards are tied to the Challenger achievements. The reward should be given for completing HM, no death, and speed run to reward those that put in the time and effort to achieve the highest difficulty of the dungeon. Also doing so adds extra replay value to the dungeon. I really hope they change this before the dungeon goes live to only award the new Purified skin with the Challenger achievement. Giving it away with Conqueror makes the skin not nearly as special.

Why don't you ask for another reward to be considered, more suitable for high-end player and more useful none the less, instead of trying to strip the other fellow players off the chance to get the desired cosmetic items that help them to build their character's personalities, not to show-off how powerful and special they are? Not being mean is always an option.

I'm not being mean, just suggesting that a highly sought collectible such as a skin or personality continue to be the reward for completing an appropriately challenging achievement (HM, no death, and speed run). If other fellow players want the skin, they can put forth the effort and time to obtain it themselves or pay end game players for a carry (a perfectly viable and ok option) if they just want cosmetics and don't want to work at it themselves. There are plenty of cosmetic options in the crown store as well.

BennyButton wrote: »

@ZOS_Finn Depths of Malatar HM is bugged if you wipe, you keep warping back and forth from the first plane to the next. Current fix that we discovered is to activate HM after you wipe and then dying to reset it.

I was about to post about this issue but seems that it is noticed now. We had the same issue there and didnt know how to fix it so we left the group

Did you enjoy this new dungeon?
Very much, the story was amazing and can't wait to see how the story continues in the chapter.

How did the difficulty compare to existing dungeons on Normal and Veteran versions?
Easier than vet Frostvault. We wiped a few times since we didn't know mechanics, but as doable.

Did you complete Normal or Veteran (or both)?
Completed both.


Which was your favorite boss in this dungeon, and why?
I liked all. Don't have a fav.


What level and build was the character you used?
StamNB 810 CP (DD)
2x Valkyre Skoria
5x Relequen
5x AY (Axe and Dagger)


Do you have any other general feedback?
Was a good new dungeon! I like that the skin is rewarded by just completing the vet dungeon, so more people have the chance to acquire it. Though would be cool if there would be something nice for completing hm, speed run, no death as well.... more than a title

Chriagon wrote: »

You need more than one player to beat the first boss in both new dungeons due to mechanics, right?

Correct.

code65536 wrote: »

Chriagon wrote: »

You need more than one player to beat the first boss in both new dungeons due to mechanics, right?

Correct.

Okay, thank you.

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

• Meridian Purified Skin: Obtained by completing the "Depths of Malatar Conqueror" achievement, which requires you to complete the new Depths of Malatar dungeon on Veteran mode.

So... Does this mean that I need to make it through only once on vet, no hm, speed run or no-deaths? Or does it mean that the dungeon itself is so hard to run on vet that it can not be completed in 30 mins with no deaths?
If it is only vet and only once, then I thank you from the bottom of my heart, this is very good news.

The Purified skin only requires Veteran completion. The previous achievement (HM, No Death, Speed, etc) is still there and awards a title but the cosmetic skin is awarded with a Veteran clear.

Love seeing more nice cosmetic rewards accessible to more players. This is really awesome!

In vDoM HM, the boss's Jesus Beam does an insane amount of damage.

That's 41601 damage in the span of 1.5s. That's after block mitigation, with the tank's resistances and mitigation.

@ZOS_Finn

I don't think I have stressed this well enough but for both dungeons:After runs with 2 good melee stamdps and then a run with 2 ranged magdps I must say the difference is night and day.

In many fights like e.g the weeping woman, when the melee's respect the super-mario-bros-style mechanics and do all the movement it kills their dps basically while skilled ranged players are able to keep dps up.

It feels like the gap has never been bigger between the two than in these new dungeons. The fight's mechanics are really nice, no need to remove that but it feels rather like the melee's need more (ranged?) options to keep dps up during all that continuous movement.

Can a level 10 go in this dungeon?

profundidob16_ESO wrote: »

Romo wrote: »

Can a level 10 go in this dungeon?

no my friend, on 'normal' mode DLC dungeons usually require you to be level 45 minimum so this will not be an exception. Then furthermore to enter them on "veteran" mode you need to be cp300 minimum

It's worth adding that on the PTS servers (and only on PTS !) it's possible to make a template character that is immediately max lvl (cp810) after creation. You can then use that character to enter and test the new dungeons

I don't think this is entirely true. I think they're locked on the dungeon finder sure, but you should be able to make your own group and go there without issue. So while yes, a level 10 cant queue for a dlc dungeon, they should be able to make their own group and just teleport into the dungeon. IIRC there's only a few dungeons that are actually level locked though I don't understand the reason for it (Blessed Crucible is the only one that comes to mind).

Edit: Level 3 on the pts inside frost vault

I completed both new dungeons on vet non-HM with a standard setup of magsorc dps, magblade dps (me), templar healer, and DK tank. Overall, I liked them both a lot.

My main piece of feedback is that these seem overly punishing on the tank. Our tank died fairly often on several of the fights. Some of this was mechanics that we were figuring out, so the deaths were expected. But some of them I think were just that the stuff in there hits super hard - he was geared as a tank for base game vet DLC dungeons, and I think he wasn't quite tanky enough to take some of the hits. My feedback here is:

• For the mechanics that are supposed to be avoided by the tank, please telegraph them better so that the tank knows they're supposed to dodge them instead of absorbing them.
• For the mechanics the tank is supposed to absorb, lower the damage a bit. Requiring extreme tankiness makes these needlessly difficult for pug tanks.

Although we completed all the bosses, there were a bunch of mechanics that weren't clear even after the fact. Most of the time we walked away saying "I think we missed something back there".

The Scavenging Maw

The boss was fun. I liked the hide-and-seek part. The poison conal from the boss hit the tank really hard, and when he was focusing on that he wasn't able to wrangle all of the mauler adds. These adds then lived up to their name and mauled the dps. If there was a way to avoid the poison cone, it was not clear.

The Weeping Woman

Fun and easy, given that we were both ranged dps. This seems like it would be really punishing on melee dps.

Dark Orb

The adds seemed to be infinite once the fight got going. Even if we stopped to destroy the mini-orbs, the adds kept coming and eventually overwhelmed us, so we concluded the right strategy was to just burn the main orb. This seems odd, and made us feel like we were missing something.

King Narilmor

If we were supposed to focus on a particular clone when the boss split, we couldn't figure out how to identify him. Most (all) of the clones had damage shields, but they disappeared pretty quickly. Ultimately, we just picked one and focused that and the overall boss health went done. Overall this was a pretty simple fight, but again it felt like we were missing something.

Symphony of Blades

This was fun. I like the wall mechanic on this fight much better than its equivalent in Fang Lair. Killing our way through the wall gives us the ability to control where the hole appears, which is much better than the relying on rng like in Fang Lair.

The jesus beam from the boss seemed overtuned - it basically insta-killed whoever it targeted, even the tank, with very little warning. We focused down that add and it ceased to be a problem, but it seemed disproportionately strong compared to the other add abilities.

This was another place where the tank kept dying from the bosses's basic attacks. I don't know exactly what was killing him or if the attack was avoidable, but this is one place that seemed to assume the tank was tankier than he was.

I liked the phase on the Colored Rooms much more than the fight in the Ayleid ruins, in part because it was prettier. I sort of wish that he teleported us there sooner in the fight instead of staying in the ruin almost until the end.

[*] Did you enjoy this new dungeon?

Overall, this dungeon was a better experience compared to Frostvault. Most encounters felt well balanced and fair, with some exceptions.

[*] How did the difficulty compare to existing dungeons on Normal and Veteran versions?

On veteran I feel this dungeon is comparable to Scalecaller Peak (excluding HM). Based on observations most of the encounters here are more mechanics based just like SCP, which I greatly prefer . On most bosses, players can "play it safe" and fight the boss on their own terms - slowly and safely or trying for more risky burn strats.

Similarly to my other post I did this with my group of rather experienced Oceanic friends, all 300 ping minimum during 4.3.0.

[*] Did you complete Normal or Veteran (or both)?

Veteran.

[*] Which was your favorite boss in this dungeon, and why?

No favourites, but in general most boss encounters were fine once we got the mechanics down. There was enough reaction time given for most attacks for us to counter them in general. Mechanics wise some bosses are ok but others need work.

Trash mobs

In general trash difficulty is fine. Normal mobs are easily dealt with and the elite Stone Watchers hit hard, but proper interrupting and taunting by the tank deals with them easily. Their frost AOE spell and frost ring hits hard but can be interrupted or avoided with enough timing.

Trash density is a bit high in the area between the second and third boss, in general amount of trash mobs could be reduced slightly overall.

The Aurorans that spawn have certain attacks that hit too hard and too fast with no warning given. Their Dawnbreaker is dealing 14-15k with an associated stun; this attack fires way too fast with no red cone indicator given. A much fairer version of this can be seen on Champion Marcauld (vDSA first round boss), even though the cone is larger and the damage higher, there is ample time to avoid it.

There is also another Auroran attack that resembles some sort of fiery meteor that falls from the sky and splits into smaller projectiles, as well as some random lightning strikes that seem to spawn over players. Those attacks are also dealing way too much damage and stunning on impact with no red circle indicators as to where they're going to land. Please adjust these two mechanics down to be more fair and add proper telegraphs so we can see and avoid them accordingly. Auroran health could also be reduced.

The Scavenging Maw

The heavy attack mechanic where he splits into 4 and strikes each player is largely fine, as long as people don't stack and block up early.

The mechanic where we have to look for the boss within the room seems a bit unintuitive, do we just run around randomly searching the corridors until the boss attacks us again? Would also suggest making the grab mechanic after the boss is revealed less deadly so players can react and save their teammates a bit more consistently, currently it's killing its victim in less than a second.

The poison spew mechanic is really hard to avoid consistently given how cramped the room is and how large the circles and cone AOEs are. Might want to consider making the damage lesser, the AOEs smaller or making it such that the boss can't turn around while doing that mechanic.

Adds and the smaller bone pile AOEs spawned during the fight were dealt with rather easily.

The Weeping Woman

This boss is largely fine, the large red ring AOEs are usually shown early enough for players to avoid. Adds spawn based on health percentage and can be dealt with at the party's own pace.

The boss's geyser attack AOE should have a better telegraph, the expanding red circle does not show the final size of the AOE like most other expanding AOEs do.

The boss is quite melee unfriendly, since the boss tends to light attack from range while staying in her own large AOEs. Would suggest lowering the range of the boss's auto attack so she can be rubber banded by the tank into better positions for melee dps players.

The Dark Orb

Smaller orbs seem to spawn based on health percentage as well as the adds (I think). Since this is an adds based boss fight the only complaints I have are identical to those from the trash mobs mentioned earlier. Auroran attacks need more telegraphing and need to be more avoidable in general.

The smaller orbs giving the Aurorans more skills to use isn't very well explained either.

King Narilmor

The boss uses many of the same attacks as the trash Aurorans so again, the same issues came up here; need more telegraphing, indicators etc. It was especially bad when the boss and his clones decided to use Dawnbreaker close together at once randomly, it's 30k damage minimum with no warning. Constant lightning strikes and fire meteors also complicates things. Our health was going up and down constantly in bursts during the fight, and this fight is especially taxing on the healer given they need to keep Tharayya alive as well.

Clone mechanic isn't explained well, not sure if we're supposed to take down the clones before they activate or if it's intended that we focus down the real boss fast. The health of any clones still alive seem to match the boss's health percentage after a bit, not sure what's up with that.

Symphony of Blades

The boss itself gains the mechanics of the trash Aurorans that he absorbs and similar complaints for the last boss apply: more telegraphing, more reaction time and indicators for his attacks are needed, especially when they're hitting even harder now. (I sense some content recycling going on here.) Might want to consider reducing the health of the 4 coloured Aurorans that spawn in the corners so as to not punish groups with low dps with excess mechanics later during the main boss phase. The radiant destruction (templar beam) mechanic from the boss is also dealing way too much damage too quickly.

The Auroran ghost line mechanic is very melee unfriendly since melee dps will have to constantly reposition and back pedal while dpsing to avoid the instant kill mechanic.

Coloured room phase was largely ok, speed of the ghost lines is not too fast and avoiding the hitboxes of the ghosts is easier than in FL HM since the glowing line is a good indicator. Similar Auroran mechanics and critique apply here as well.

Didn't give HM a try.

[*] What level and build was the character you used?

CP810 mag Warden healer

[*] Do you have any other general feedback?

I feel this dungeon is more well balanced in general than Frostvault. Most encounters are more fair and most boss mechanics are health based instead of time based which means lower dps groups can complete by playing it safe and aren't overwhelmed too quickly.

The orbs/imps giving the Aurorans more skills to use isn't explained very well in general.

Main complaint, as mentioned, is how certain hard hitting attacks from bosses and trash are not sufficiently telegraphed. The more hard hitting something is the more reaction time should be given for players to avoid or counter it.

code65536 wrote: »

Cellentel wrote: »

If we were supposed to focus on a particular clone when the boss split, we couldn't figure out how to identify him. Most (all) of the clones had damage shields, but they disappeared pretty quickly. Ultimately, we just picked one and focused that and the overall boss health went done. Overall this was a pretty simple fight, but again it felt like we were missing something.

This is just a rehash of HRC's topside boss, pre-U21(it's ironic that U21 introduces in a dungeon a mechanic that is simultaneously being abandoned in a trial).

One of the copies is "real", and the rest are decoys. Each decoy will despawn when its damage shield is destroyed, but the "real" version will continue taking damage after its shield is breached. You must locate and destroy the "real" one.

On an unrelated note, the way to get the achievement for helping Tharayya win her duel is to keep her healed. I guess this was ZOS's way of making healers "feel useful"--by giving them an NPC to babysit for an achievement...

Lord Warden comes to mind...