should add if the normal version is noob friendly since these dungeons are the start of the dragon themed questline.

Also, oh god, it followed me across eras, I will not touch the beacon!

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

• Meridian Purified Skin: Obtained by completing the "Depths of Malatar Conqueror" achievement, which requires you to complete the new Depths of Malatar dungeon on Veteran mode.

So... Does this mean that I need to make it through only once on vet, no hm, speed run or no-deaths? Or does it mean that the dungeon itself is so hard to run on vet that it can not be completed in 30 mins with no deaths?
If it is only vet and only once, then I thank you from the bottom of my heart, this is very good news.

The Purified skin only requires Veteran completion. The previous achievement (HM, No Death, Speed, etc) is still there and awards a title but the cosmetic skin is awarded with a Veteran clear.

Great news! I hope more skins and other collectibles can be earned this way in the future. I didn't mind the old way but finding groups to run some of the older dungeons for the skins was difficult at times.

Hey @ZOS_Finn I just wanted to say I really appreciate that you're here actively engaging with these PTS threads on dungeon/trial content! It gives me the feeling that you're eager to hear player feedback and field our questions. Thanks so much! The Wolfhunter dungeons are an absolute blast. Can't wait to get into the new ones!

Excelsus wrote: »

ZOS_Finn wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

• Meridian Purified Skin: Obtained by completing the "Depths of Malatar Conqueror" achievement, which requires you to complete the new Depths of Malatar dungeon on Veteran mode.

So... Does this mean that I need to make it through only once on vet, no hm, speed run or no-deaths? Or does it mean that the dungeon itself is so hard to run on vet that it can not be completed in 30 mins with no deaths?
If it is only vet and only once, then I thank you from the bottom of my heart, this is very good news.

The Purified skin only requires Veteran completion. The previous achievement (HM, No Death, Speed, etc) is still there and awards a title but the cosmetic skin is awarded with a Veteran clear.

This is a huge and much desired change that I hope will become the norm, and if at all possible retroactive. Special titles are absolutely necessary for capable players to strut their stuff but its frustrating for cosmetic items that may relate to a characters roleplay or just general character aesthetic are locked behind achievements only a small minority can complete. I love the work you guys have put into your hard modes with the last few dungeons and I know they aren't meant for everyone to beat them and that's ok as long as the rest of us can still have our fashionsouls.

I second this!

@ZOS_Finn please find a way to revert the current in-game trial and dungeon achievement collectibles to this!

@ZOS_Finn Warping bug in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dIYsvcVvA

Someone share a screenshot of the skin when you unlock it.

Did you enjoy this new dungeon?

Not really.

How did the difficulty compare to existing dungeons on Normal and Veteran versions?

In contrast to Frostvault (I posted more about Frostvault in that dungeon's thread), this dungeon seems to be more in line with the DB/WH dungeons in terms of difficulty. Which is to say, this is a lot easier than Frostvault.

On our first time ever seeing the dungeon, we had a wipe or two on the first boss and then no more wipes until we reached the final boss. Quite a contrast versus Frostvault.

Did you complete Normal or Veteran (or both)?

Vet

Which was your favorite boss in this dungeon, and why?

Ra Ko Three--er, I mean, Symphony of Blades. Because eye candy. And Colored Rooms. Minus the warp bug, obviously.

What level and build was the character you used?

DK Tank
Magplar DD
2x Magblade DD

Do you have any other general feedback?

Did all your creative boss design budget get blown on Frostvault? We cleared vFV first, and I gotta say, this dungeon seemed like a letdown after the fun romp that was vFV. The bosses were forgettable and not particularly interesting. The first boss, though, was surprisingly tough--we wiped on the first boss whereas we didn't wipe on 2nd/3rd/4th bosses.

We got to the final boss and tried it on vet HM. The first phase of the fight seemed pretty easy. Too easy, which is why when my teammates were about to celebrate victory, I cautioned that we'll probably see the boss enter a second phase like Thurvokun. And I was not disappointed. The Colored Rooms are pretty!

Though, as already reported earlier in this thread, there is a bug that traps your group in a neverending warp if you wipe on HM, so that kinda put a damper on things. The bug also prevented us from trying that fight on non-HM, so we have no idea what it's like on non-HM.

sozo108 wrote: »

I like that in the current vet DLC dungeons the skins and collectible rewards are tied to the Challenger achievements. The reward should be given for completing HM, no death, and speed run to reward those that put in the time and effort to achieve the highest difficulty of the dungeon. Also doing so adds extra replay value to the dungeon. I really hope they change this before the dungeon goes live to only award the new Purified skin with the Challenger achievement. Giving it away with Conqueror makes the skin not nearly as special.

Why don't you ask for another reward to be considered, more suitable for high-end player and more useful none the less, instead of trying to strip the other fellow players off the chance to get the desired cosmetic items that help them to build their character's personalities, not to show-off how powerful and special they are? Not being mean is always an option.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Not being mean here but earning them is also an option.

I still wear my Dreadhorn skin on one toon because of the number of tines someone died on a no death run with the boss under 10%.

I wear my Scalecaller skin with pride because i was in there on HM for 4 hours getting it done. Do you know how annoying it is to be sat on 1 boss for 4 gods damned hours with the sound of the wind in the background.

I swear in dreams/nightmares i still hear "KNEEL OR BE CRUSHED" or "MY SHIELD"

I can understand that and I admire your dedication, your skill and your patience. But these days it's already a question planted in advance in my head wherever I see a person with a skin on. Do I see someone who earned it with their flesh and blood or got a big help for a suitable reward? In my vision this change will increase amount of players who will finally get their courage to try something new, because the reward became less unreachable from them. And also decrease the amount of people who's desperate enough to seek for 3 bodyguards and instead experience at least a little bit more content the way it was intended to be experienced. No offend to bodyguards tho.

You do realize that by selling a skin you devalue the weight of achievement needed, I hope.
A lot of people come back for motifs when they're added and sell them for a good money too, if we're talking about someone loosing their profit here. And this profit works as intended, unlike the other one.

TheNightflame wrote: »

buying skins was health for endgame, there's very little reason to rerun content, selling skins was basically the only reason after a first clear

WTF? Selling and buying skins is abhorrent. It's also not that common on PC; I understand that cancer is pretty widespread on console, though.

If this change puts a dent in that practice, then I say good riddance.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

TiaFrye wrote: »

sozo108 wrote: »

I like that in the current vet DLC dungeons the skins and collectible rewards are tied to the Challenger achievements. The reward should be given for completing HM, no death, and speed run to reward those that put in the time and effort to achieve the highest difficulty of the dungeon. Also doing so adds extra replay value to the dungeon. I really hope they change this before the dungeon goes live to only award the new Purified skin with the Challenger achievement. Giving it away with Conqueror makes the skin not nearly as special.

Why don't you ask for another reward to be considered, more suitable for high-end player and more useful none the less, instead of trying to strip the other fellow players off the chance to get the desired cosmetic items that help them to build their character's personalities, not to show-off how powerful and special they are? Not being mean is always an option.

Not being mean here but earning them is also an option.

I still wear my Dreadhorn skin on one toon because of the number of tines someone died on a no death run with the boss under 10%.

I wear my Scalecaller skin with pride because i was in there on HM for 4 hours getting it done. Do you know how annoying it is to be sat on 1 boss for 4 gods damned hours with the sound of the wind in the background.

I swear in dreams/nightmares i still hear "KNEEL OR BE CRUSHED" or "MY SHIELD"

I'm okay with this change. I have every dungeon and trial skin, so, yes, I have a personal vested interest in keeping those skins exclusive.

But... they are just cosmetic fluff. I don't wear the Scalecaller skin because I want to brag about Scalecaller; I wear it because it's the least offensive and most "natural" way of hiding vampirism. I wear the vMoL skin instead of the vCR skin--even though the latter is much more prestigious--because the vMoL skin is the best-looking dark-colored skin in the game. So, yea, it would be nice if these skins were super-exclusive and I can look good and brag at the same time. But that's just being petty. Doesn't feel right at all to deny someone an awesome way to hide vampirism just so that I can strut around.

Besides, we still have titles. Though I'm still annoyed that achievements like Mountain God don't have a title...