Dragons need some explanation, I'll agree, but how does a necromancer class break lore? They even said that there will be negative justice system reactions to it which aids immersion.

Tiber septim had a squad of dragons in his army in the late 2nd era. Third era didn't start until after he founded his empire.

No, FFS.

We literally accidentally release dragons that were caged. They're not just roaming around like its normal.

This is not lore breaking, period. There were dragons in this era. They were just in hiding or locked up.

There were very few dragons in the 2nd era alive. Hidden. I'm sure Zenimax will explain and tell a story revolving around their appearance.

Necromancy? It was officially outlawed by the Third Era, but during this time it is illegal in a way and frowned upon. I don't see how it is lore breaking since you can be charged by guards for crime if using necromancy in cities and towns.

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

Uh well according to Bethesda, Dragons are not lore breaking.

Hence why I said it needs explanation. Bethesda can certainly exercise Word of God on the matter but that's not the same as an in-universe explanation. Skyrim gives the impression that they've been gone for a lot longer than since the Second Era.

They can literally put anything at any era and say it's not lore breaking, because they create the lore the way they see fit.

Like with the atronach mounts and other so called not-lore-breaking-animated-weird-stuff they already created.

I don't need dragons in ESO, they are specific for Skyrim game and should stay there.

All I need is spears, the only thing not given for years for no particular reason.

Dragons are not like mindless beasts

They have language, they had cults, they are extremely powerful

It's really easy to believe that an extremely powerful intelligent being would be extremely difficult to find if they didn't want to be.

It also makes a ton of sense that somewhere else (lol) such a powerful critter has been prisoner (king rilis comes to mind and the other ton of powerful things locked away - hell Selene was hidden till you go get her)

See it’s pretty funny

We have this guy in Skyrim his name is Esbern, he is the Grand Lore Master of the Blades. The lore master is in charge of preserving all the knowledge of the Akaviri Draginguard. This position was passed down through the generations

Esbern tells your the Dragonguard hunted down and killed every dragon, only 4 dragons survived beyond the 1st era. The last of them were mostly killed by the Dragonguard. It was part of their core mission, there reason for existence. Their entire mission was:

1. Find a Dragonborn
2. Help Dragonborn absorb as many dragon souls as possible in preparation for Alcuin Return
3. In the meantime guard Dragonborn who ends up bein Emp due to being able to wear Amulet of Kings.

Esbern had access to ALL the writings of the Akaviri Dragonguard in the lore library of the Sky Haven temple before it was destroyed by the Thalmor. The guy was OBSESSED with Dragons and Alduin return. The dragon cult existed outside of Skyrim and the Dragonguard kept their own records along with cross reference dragon cult writings who were even more fanatical with Drahobs than the Blades were.

Esbern said the Dragons were killed off my the Dragonguard with the last of them being killed off during the Remen dynasty before ESO timeline. Only 5 dragons actually escaped the Blades and are being pursued during this time.

The Blades are still active in Tamriel even during ESO but you don’t see them because that’s how they operate. To quote

“ my dad used to tell me you keep secrets as good as the Blades”

Only the grandmaster knew every member and only the loremaster knew the Dragon history. Esbern has access to documents proving a the dragons but like 5 were finished off in the first era during the time of Remen. The dragon lore of Cloud ruler temple and verified by dragon cultist records pretty much prove this

But hey if it’s going to make eso a better game, let them have dragons 😀

Not lore-breaking, but hilarious - a Necromancer gets killed by Mannimarco and his soul stolen...

haelene wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

They can literally put anything at any era and say it's not lore breaking, because they create the lore the way they see fit.

Like with the atronach mounts and other so called not-lore-breaking-animated-weird-stuff they already created.

I don't need dragons in ESO, they are specific for Skyrim game and should stay there.

All I need is spears, the only thing not given for years for no particular reason.

What are you talking about? dragons are a huge part of tes lore as a whole, skyrim just made them visible. They're in no way " specific to skyrim". Should we begin removing everything else from eso that only physically appeared in one game?

Where are people getting these ideas...? Just say you don't like dragons. It's fine. You don't need an excuse to not enjoy something.

There was a strong implication, or perhaps more than an implication if you read RinaldoGandolphi's post, that Dragons haven't been seen since the First Era and that having them in ESO is lore taking second place to the desire to put in something "cool and recognisable" from Skyrim which they think will draw in more players.

Now I fully accept that it's Bethesda's lore and if they want dragons in the Second Era then that's their right, but I do hope we get a strong lore justification for it so that it doesn't feel like a lazy retcon.

adriant1978 wrote: »

haelene wrote: »

Gargath wrote: »

They can literally put anything at any era and say it's not lore breaking, because they create the lore the way they see fit.

Like with the atronach mounts and other so called not-lore-breaking-animated-weird-stuff they already created.

I don't need dragons in ESO, they are specific for Skyrim game and should stay there.

All I need is spears, the only thing not given for years for no particular reason.

What are you talking about? dragons are a huge part of tes lore as a whole, skyrim just made them visible. They're in no way " specific to skyrim". Should we begin removing everything else from eso that only physically appeared in one game?

Where are people getting these ideas...? Just say you don't like dragons. It's fine. You don't need an excuse to not enjoy something.

There was a strong implication, or perhaps more than an implication if you read RinaldoGandolphi's post, that Dragons haven't been seen since the First Era and that having them in ESO is lore taking second place to the desire to put in something "cool and recognisable" from Skyrim which they think will draw in more players.

Now I fully accept that it's Bethesda's lore and if they want dragons in the Second Era then that's their right, but I do hope we get a strong lore justification for it so that it doesn't feel like a lazy retcon.

1 : Please reread. They did not, in any way, all die.

2 : They are still not "specific to skyrim", that post literally proved that point.

3 : These dragons were literally caged in the trailer, i.e, it's likely their existence was not widely discussed because, ya know, they didn't want people to pull a tharn.

4 : The absolute best thing about tes lore is that nothing ever gives a complete picture ( like real history), so they're are things that can be missing out incorrect and that's completely normal.

5 : There is nothing wrong with a company deciding to give people what they ask for (necromancers) or what's popular (dragons) especially if it does fit the lore, which it does.

6 : I don't want skyrim yet either, but I'm tired of people shouting " but lore" to justify their dislike of a certain theme when it's not lore breaking. Especially because many of them are just parroting incorrect information they've heard from equally uninformed people. Just say you don't liked it, it's cool not to like stuff.

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

See it’s pretty funny

We have this guy in Skyrim his name is Esbern, he is the Grand Lore Master of the Blades. The lore master is in charge of preserving all the knowledge of the Akaviri Draginguard. This position was passed down through the generations

Esbern tells your the Dragonguard hunted down and killed every dragon, only 4 dragons survived beyond the 1st era. The last of them were mostly killed by the Dragonguard. It was part of their core mission, there reason for existence. Their entire mission was:

1. Find a Dragonborn
2. Help Dragonborn absorb as many dragon souls as possible in preparation for Alcuin Return
3. In the meantime guard Dragonborn who ends up bein Emp due to being able to wear Amulet of Kings.

Esbern had access to ALL the writings of the Akaviri Dragonguard in the lore library of the Sky Haven temple before it was destroyed by the Thalmor. The guy was OBSESSED with Dragons and Alduin return. The dragon cult existed outside of Skyrim and the Dragonguard kept their own records along with cross reference dragon cult writings who were even more fanatical with Drahobs than the Blades were.

Esbern said the Dragons were killed off my the Dragonguard with the last of them being killed off during the Remen dynasty before ESO timeline. Only 5 dragons actually escaped the Blades and are being pursued during this time.

The Blades are still active in Tamriel even during ESO but you don’t see them because that’s how they operate. To quote

“ my dad used to tell me you keep secrets as good as the Blades”

Only the grandmaster knew every member and only the loremaster knew the Dragon history. Esbern has access to documents proving a the dragons but like 5 were finished off in the first era during the time of Remen. The dragon lore of Cloud ruler temple and verified by dragon cultist records pretty much prove this

But hey if it’s going to make eso a better game, let them have dragons 😀

If you want to get technical, one of the Dungeons in the DLC is a Dwemer ruin. Sooo, we are talking about artifacts from when the Dwemer were around, and they disappeared in the middle of the1st era. So, it is entirely plausible that the Dwemer locked up a number of dragons before they disappeared, maybe even before the 1st era even began and the Dragonguard have no way of accounting for these missing dragons, so they assumed them dead, or just did not know of them to begin with.

adriant1978 wrote: »

Dragons need some explanation, I'll agree, but how does a necromancer class break lore? They even said that there will be negative justice system reactions to it which aids immersion.

I am kinda worried about the justice system that will affect necromancy. Simply because it opens "gate" for doing the same for Vamps & WW.
Tell me. It would be weird if a city guard would react to a necromancer rising corpses in the middle of a town but would not react to Werewolfs or stage 4 Vampires running around town ...

Imagine thinking you know more about ES lore than Lawrence Schick...

Well also consider history books. Do you believe that everything that is written is always true and happened in the exact way historians describe the events? Often what historians claim to be true at one point in time later as new evidence emerge turns to be false or half true. Perhaps the lore can be viewed in similar fashion.