Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
Can you imagine if Sorcs had a skill that negated 100% of Flame damage? mDKs would throw a fit. But then we could say:
"Hey, you chose to play a flame damage-only build; you gotta pay the price. Besides, Fossilize and Volatile do magicka damage, so saying 100% of your damage is negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?"
You see how easy that would be? And also how nonsensical?
Certain classes tend to gravitate towards certain builds not because they're unaware of or reluctant to use alternatives, but because class design significantly shoehorns you into making certain optimised choices. You could make a magDK with no flame spells on their bar, but you don't cos that would just be stupid.
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
Can you imagine if Sorcs had a skill that negated 100% of Flame damage? mDKs would throw a fit. But then we could say:
"Hey, you chose to play a flame damage-only build; you gotta pay the price. Besides, Fossilize and Volatile do magicka damage, so saying 100% of your damage is negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?"
You see how easy that would be? And also how nonsensical?
Certain classes tend to gravitate towards certain builds not because they're unaware of or reluctant to use alternatives, but because class design significantly shoehorns you into making certain optimised choices. You could make a magDK with no flame spells on their bar, but you don't cos that would just be stupid.
What's wrong with that? mDKs could just use impulse with a lightning staff. Clench deals frost and lightning damage as well. And Ice Comet is frost damage so they still have a magicka ultimate that they can use.
Although the proper response would have been if mag sorcs had an ability that negated all attacks made within 8 meters
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
Can you imagine if Sorcs had a skill that negated 100% of Flame damage? mDKs would throw a fit. But then we could say:
"Hey, you chose to play a flame damage-only build; you gotta pay the price. Besides, Fossilize and Volatile do magicka damage, so saying 100% of your damage is negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?"
You see how easy that would be? And also how nonsensical?
Certain classes tend to gravitate towards certain builds not because they're unaware of or reluctant to use alternatives, but because class design significantly shoehorns you into making certain optimised choices. You could make a magDK with no flame spells on their bar, but you don't cos that would just be stupid.
What's wrong with that? mDKs could just use impulse with a lightning staff. Clench deals frost and lightning damage as well. And Ice Comet is frost damage so they still have a magicka ultimate that they can use.
Although the proper response would have been if mag sorcs had an ability that negated all attacks made within 8 meters
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
Can you imagine if Sorcs had a skill that negated 100% of Flame damage? mDKs would throw a fit. But then we could say:
"Hey, you chose to play a flame damage-only build; you gotta pay the price. Besides, Fossilize and Volatile do magicka damage, so saying 100% of your damage is negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?"
You see how easy that would be? And also how nonsensical?
Certain classes tend to gravitate towards certain builds not because they're unaware of or reluctant to use alternatives, but because class design significantly shoehorns you into making certain optimised choices. You could make a magDK with no flame spells on their bar, but you don't cos that would just be stupid.
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
Not everyone plays a magicka sorc. Magblade is where this issue shines
Either way it's not like getting into melee range stops the reflect effect so still unbalanced. If I could point blank people and not get screwed by wings that would be considerably more balanced. Or if you really want then we can have it reflect 2 projectiles per person.
validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »It's a nice ability, should never be mechanically changed.
I did get hit by a 22k wings once though. I did feel like that was a tad bit high for a very cheap ult... but hey, that was only once :P
Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
Half the duration, double the projectiles reflected. This buffs it open world when you're trying to 1v5+ a bunch of snipers and nerfs it in duels, with wings being a more reactionary skill than a status buff you just apply on CD.
And my hypothetical Sorc skill wouldn't block all DK skills, either, just the flame damage ones.
The analogy holds.
oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »oXI_Viper_IXo wrote: »Because the forums are full of Sorc and NB mains who just want to pew pew at range with no repercussions whatsoever.
Once they're done with this campaign to get wings nerfed, sorc mains will go back to trying to get cloak nerfed and NB mains will go back to trying to get every single defense mechanism besides cloak nerfed. They just happened to find a common cause this time.
maybe cuz no one likes having 100% of their damage negated when that class also had the best self healing, CC, and very good single target pressure.
If wing's didn't negate everything I'm sure people would care less but it basically makes fighting a DK a waste of time as a ranged build. Like sorry there is just no damn point, not only can they out-heal you but they will also take little to no damage.
So you believe there should be no price to pay for playing a ranged-only build? Sorcs can use Haunting Curse, Crushing Shock, Mage's Wrath and they won't be reflected. 100% of damage negated is a bit of an exaggeration, no?
Not everyone plays a magicka sorc. Magblade is where this issue shines
Either way it's not like getting into melee range stops the reflect effect so still unbalanced. If I could point blank people and not get screwed by wings that would be considerably more balanced. Or if you really want then we can have it reflect 2 projectiles per person.
MagBlade has Lotus Fan, Concealed Weapon, Crippling Grasp, Swallow Soul, and access to Crushing Shock. Still not seeing the issue.