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What would be worst Nerf in game? (Past and Future)
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »I feel like Templar healers became less important in group play when they changed Repentance
Would you be happier if healers had more utility that could have? Maybe something that offers a chance not everyone has but could have if they put effort or you in that direction say for example with champion tree?
The idea of a support branch of CP is interesting, like maybe increase resources returned to the group by X %, it would beef up orbs and shards and elemental drain, for example. ZOS would never do this though.
Not just resources but maybe something not yet existimg yet. I think right now cp for healers is kinda bland.0 -
NyassaV✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oh god, where the hell do I startFlawless Conqueror ~ Grand OverlordShe/Her ~ PC/NA | I record things for fun and for info3 -
Thraben✭✭✭✭✭The deletion of my Overload bar.
Both my MagSorc healer and my StamSorc tank refuse to participate in any PvE activity ever since.Hauptmann der Dolche des Königs
DDK ist die letzte Verteidigungslinie des Dolchsturz- Bündnisses auf der 30-Tage-No-CP- Kampagne(EU) mit dem Anspruch, in kleinen, anfängerfreundlichen Raid-Gruppen möglichst epische Schlachten auszufechten.
DDK is the Daggerfall Covenant´s last line of defense on the 30 days no-cp campaign (EU). We intend to fight epic battles in small, casual player friendly raid groups.2 -
ESO_Nightingale✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What is worst change you could think of that could happen or has happened?
Warden has really copped some ***. SCR used to line up well in our burst but now it doesnt. People hate that shalks had its stun removed (i personally think the breach is good) swarm got a cost increase for no reason, Falcon's Swiftness was busted up three times! when we just wanted a duration increase now we have to slot it on our limited frontbar space, cast it every 4 seconds if we want to move and deceptive is now useless trash. You honestly need to stop nerfing crap when you have no idea what you're doing. Bear had its teeth removed and is now a gummy bear but its STILL THE BEST CLASS ULTIMATE meaning it was a failed nerf. However, what do i think was the worst nerf? arctic blast was EXECUTED for a slow, non damaging, blockable, dodgeable, barely healing, expensive class stun that only health builds can use. NOT MAGDEN. It used to be a frost tank tool it did good damage and was amazing at proccing chilled. Frost tanks loved this skill and now its gone. Now im convinced that Zos has an agenda against ALL frost and we must fight back!
"Frost is intended to be a tanking element" SAYS THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME!?
Listen to the Frost Community ZOS. We know how to fix magdens dps, frost tanking AND frost dps. You only need to accept suggestions.Edited by ESO_Nightingale on December 22, 2018 3:57AMPvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX9 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭The two worst nerfs ZOS has ever done are the implementation of AoE caps, and the removal of dynamic Ult generation. These two are definitely tired for the worst nerfs for the game.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Im going to have to echo the sentiment that the Morrowind sustain change was the turning point. I think that was the breaking point for a lot of people, and also the moment when it finally felt like PvP lost any sense of direction. Nerfs that came after seemed heavy handed and without any informed thought being put into combat balance. Aside from a few good changes, the trend has felt like a steady downward plunge since then and though class balance is decent right now, PvP feels like a sluggish pit of one or two skill tank builds and snares, where you are brutally punished for trying to run solo or small scale and big groups are given everything. Combat is slow, the heavy armor tank meta is still predominant, and AOE ball groups are now worse than ever and counter play is at its lowest point. PvP essentially is pushing people towards a meta where the group that can stand in all the AOE the longest wins. It's disgusting. It's also letting new players crutch on tank builds instead of really learning to play. But at the same time, due to all the snares, the loss of sustain and mobility, playing solo has never been more punishing and Im just glad I don't have to learn the ropes right now. I continue to be amazed the ZOS seems to lack any understanding of how PvP actually works in this game.5 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I’ll just say Morrowind.
And I don’t mean the Warden class being added. I love my warden.Edited by WuffyCerulei on December 22, 2018 7:49AM"Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power1 -
KlauthWarthog✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Morrowind sustain changes. Plenty of explanation here already, so I´ll just leave this here: those changes sucked the fun out of dungeon runs.3 -
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✭i think it was either 2.2 or patch 2.3 which signaled the beginning of ESO declines Morrowind and Murkmire were horrible tooEdited by RebornV3x on December 23, 2018 2:50PMXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.1 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭KlauthWarthog wrote: »Morrowind sustain changes. Plenty of explanation here already, so I´ll just leave this here: those changes sucked the fun out of dungeon runs.
What makes dungeon runs fun?0 -
Ectheliontnacil✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Siphoning attacks nerf. That was such a class defining skill at the time. It also wasn't overpowered, magblades were incredibly squishy and didn't have easy access to burst like other classes.
Still I feel like Morrowind in general really messed up combat in eso.1 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Worst future nerf: ZOS race changes.
No doubt it will be a nerf some way or some how
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✭they don't know what they are doing
They nerfed all the fun things.
Nerfs is ok but Morrowind sustain changes are too big, see at forums back then, and later on they start with damage nerfs like crit, penetration and some defence.
I can speak for myself. I dont want to see the current lead combat team in 2019!
He failed!Raising the floor and lowering the ceiling
Also failed!Natch Potes is like a box of chocolates - you never know what you're gonna get6 -
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✭✭Past: The removal of overload's 3rd bar. Who complained about this? How does taking away potential crit, resources, resistances, and utility make a class stronger especially when passives and skills that need to be double slotted aren't adjusted to compensate for the loss? They could've simply adjusted numbers and allowed weapon skills to be used while overload is active. I wait with baited breath for the so-called sorc "buffs" ZOS plans to give us in the future. Ideally it is something that benefits all sorc playstyles stam, mag, pet users, petless, etc (reducing crit from cp and buffing minor prophecy is annoying especially when dark magic skills aren't prominent in one's playstyle).
Future: Adding any kind of cast time to cloak. I doubt this would happen, but if it did it would negatively impact the survivability of some nightblade playstyles especially if the skill could be interrupted. It would also severely affect stealth oriented roleplay in pve.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I had no real answer to this until I read your other thread
I will possibly wake up in cold sweats from here on, with the fear that CP will be removed or nerfed to oblivion.
For me, this would constitute the biggest nerf I could think of and I genuinely believe it would kill the game as it's removal would give little reason for players to play with the longevity with which they currently do.All my housing builds are available on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf3oJ_cxuu01HmWZJZ6KK6g?view_as=subscriber
I am happy to share the EHT save files for most of my builds.1 -
Tirps✭✭✭✭Future nerfs: nerf to mutagen, soul siphon and resto ulti, because of that point mag nb would have 0 healing in pvp.
Past nerfs: dunno, too many.cp1k+ ( ´•౪•`)0 -
Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Future nerfs: nerf to mutagen, soul siphon and resto ulti, because of that point mag nb would have 0 healing in pvp.
Past nerfs: dunno, too many.
Nah I feel resto ultimate is staff because that tooltip is misleading for most players..or least I hope....
Mutagen zerginng is fun though
but guess not unrealistic, though healing skills hardly ever get the hammer though rarely it is a class skill. Edited by Tasear on December 22, 2018 9:29AM0 -
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✭redspecter23 wrote: »Morrowind sustain nerf.
You could make an argument that the changes were for the good of the game, which is great in theory, but it unfortunately put a bad mark on what should have been an absolutely epic chapter. Something that should have brought tons of new players to the game. What it did was divide the community and cause it to bleed long time players away. Many took long breaks and some never returned.
I nominate this for the biggest negative change, not for any balancing reasons, but for how it marred the release of Morrowind and drove long term players away.
The shield cast time change likely would have been a close second, but the last minute change to make it far less divisive pushed it further down the list.
This. I left for 18 months due to the Morrowind nerfs. Only came back because of outfits and trait changing.Bosmer Stamina NB
Altmer Magicka TEMP
Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
Altmer Magicka NB
Breton Magicka Sorc
Redguard Stam Sorc
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It made it impossible for me to keep up with certain people, where as before I could pop a pot and keep up. And it reduced a lot of quality of life in solo content for me. Being able to race around town doing things, running from guards, questing, clearing random dungeons, all got much more tedious because of something that could have easily just been solved with a battle spirit change and focusing on that specific jewelry piece.0 -
spartaxoxo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The worst nerf to me was the sustain nerf in Morrowind. It still feels terrible to this day.4
Have some faith. 
what about our overload bar.... 
