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Youtube Builds - Can We Stop Please?
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kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bro something has to be done. This is beyond ridiculousness. This happens to countless people who are only trying to enjoy the game.
That is sort of the catch 22 though.
Person A (Does not like to be forced into a meta) does not like being told to play the game a certain way.
Person B (is a competitive raider, uses the meta) does not like people showing up with questionable builds.
These people both want to play their way. How do you reconcile the two?
This is a question that plagues Online Gaming development. How do you make sure everyone can complete all the content in the game, while also making end game challenging enough for the competitive players, but still accessible to the casual players? I personally haven't seen it, admittedly I have not played every online game though. If this has been done successfully, perhaps there is a model ZOS can observe and learn from.PS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc2 -
Tigerseye✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Alcast's builds are for noobs and lazy players who don't want to do a little bit of research. Even he does not use them. There is a reason why Alcast and Hodor don't post their 'personal' builds.
Oh, that is why they don't make sense...
Stopping short of 75, or 120 (or whatever) by 3 CP points and stuff, so you just miss the bonus, lol.
I've been sort of half following the CP point advice and half ignoring it (because it seemed, somewhat, deranged).1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »Dont worry. This is going to get addressed. There was a reason I made the thread.
I'm not sure what you mean here. What exactly is going to be addressed, and in what capacity?
Nerfing sets? Buff sets? Nerfing content?
Not sure how they are going to combat the practice of theory crafting and min/maxing outside of homogenizing everything to the point where gear sets loses any benefit over other gear sets, or nerfing Veteran Content to the point where it is only slightly more difficult than normal. Such things will drive away players in the same way you are suggesting the current way things are drives away players. Will it be a pendulum swing? Because I don't see the scales being balanced enough to make everyone happy.
Bro something has to be done. This is beyond ridiculousness. This happens to countless people who are only trying to enjoy the game.
I said a lot of outrageous shyit just to rile you guys up and get what you think and gow you think regarding this issue.
There was a lot of useful information to come out. I will be preparing my note and forwarding them to dev team along with people who want to see the some type of change enacted so people are not forced.
There is ocorse a lot more to the process, but thats the meat and potatoes anyways.
No hard feelings guys
You sure did rile me up the past 17 hours on this thread, my body is ready!!! Time to slide in your DMs.
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭DMuehlhausen wrote: »Any game will have the Min/Max community.
They will always figure out the best build. Even if they only get .001% more damage it will be deemed the best build and BiS items.
Once that is determined the people that are wanting to play with the top people, or that just don't have the time to figure out other good/viable builds follow these guidelines.
Who exactly are you though to tell people to stop making them or following them. You come as somebody who talks like that isn't a good thing and diversity should rule, yet you are only doing the same thing saying your way is best. Let people build their characters the way they want. If they want to follow Alcast that's fine. If the want to just throw skills on the bar and play let them do it.
They should follow Alcast.
They should not shove his builds down other people throats and make it in game rule1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭kathandira wrote: »Dont worry. This is going to get addressed. There was a reason I made the thread.
I'm not sure what you mean here. What exactly is going to be addressed, and in what capacity?
Nerfing sets? Buff sets? Nerfing content?
Not sure how they are going to combat the practice of theory crafting and min/maxing outside of homogenizing everything to the point where gear sets loses any benefit over other gear sets, or nerfing Veteran Content to the point where it is only slightly more difficult than normal. Such things will drive away players in the same way you are suggesting the current way things are drives away players. Will it be a pendulum swing? Because I don't see the scales being balanced enough to make everyone happy.
Bro something has to be done. This is beyond ridiculousness. This happens to countless people who are only trying to enjoy the game.
I said a lot of outrageous shyit just to rile you guys up and get what you think and gow you think regarding this issue.
There was a lot of useful information to come out. I will be preparing my note and forwarding them to dev team along with people who want to see the some type of change enacted so people are not forced.
There is ocorse a lot more to the process, but thats the meat and potatoes anyways.
No hard feelings guys
You sure did rile me up the past 17 hours on this thread, my body is ready!!! Time to slide in your DMs.
No hard feelings brother0 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭Oh is this a great post by the OP! Yes it is. No sarcasm here. Your post is spot on. I run into this mindset a lot as well.
I made some game gold a few days ago when people in Chat were literally begging to buy Plague Doctor Lightning Staves. Why you might ask? Because Alcast ran a "One Bar VMA Mag Sorc Build" on his Stream not long ago showing how to easily beat VMA with only one bar. Not sure what his complete gear load out was but I think it was 3 Plague Doctor jewelry and a Plague Doctor Lightning staff. Oh, and Necropotence. Just remembered.
Anyway, I had four Plague Doctor Lightning staves and they sold quite well.
I run a good bit with one of the best Tanks I have ever seen in this game. What is his build? It's a Sorc Tank. We have completed all content in Vet running that "sub par" build of his. LOL. Now that was sarcasm. His Tank and his skill level are tops.
Have a great day everyone!
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MEBengalsFan2001✭✭✭✭✭I have to say this about YouTube and builds from other sources. Those builds are a good place for an experience or inexperienced mmo player to review and start planning for a character. Than from their own playing experience and play style the player should modify the build to suite how they play their character.
ESO when compared to some other MMOs has more things to consider and because of this online builds tend to be held in high regard for players new to the RPGMMO games.
Any player that thinks the only way to play is within another person build than they are very wet behind the ear and really need to play a bit more to find their play style and what really works for them in the game.
I wouldn't throw them under the buss though, even if I wanted to, I would just show them how other builds that are not illustrated online through YouTube can play in the game.Edited by MEBengalsFan2001 on December 20, 2018 5:09PM1 -
Kiwi✭✭✭✭any content with any build is easy if you have bis gear and years of practice
lets see them do anything on a new account with nothingA large yellow rectangle
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Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This idea that only builds from youtube From Alcast and Asian are the only builds that can work in the game, is an assertion of idiocy.
I cant believe how infected the community has become by this idea.
There are sooo many different ways to reach the dps, healing and tanking in this game people.
We really need to turn this around. I recently had some guy tell me in Cloudrest that my tank build was a trash build and I should off tank. I was on with a Sorc Magika Tank with frost staff. He mocked me while I was off mic as he said "I want to be different and not use a build from youtube" (voiced in sarcastic non masculine voice)
I was flabbergasted by the sheer stupidity of this guild leader. I then mic'ed up and asked him, "why is this a trash build?"
He responded, "how are you going to taunt when you get interrupted with staff HA?" I responded, "Um inner fire"
He then asked, "when you run out of magika?" I said "I dont because my recover is at 1800 and I have tri pots and conversion"
Then the last thing I said to him was this,
"Youre an idiot who is incapable of thinking for yourself. You should listen to how stupid you sound when you say that a "Youtube Build" is the only way to get the job done. I feel sorry for youre guild because you hold them back.
My builds are better than youtube.
They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
I ended it with this, I could pick you up. But Inwont tank for an idiot.
Then I left.
Guys, Gals, if you are going to watch youtube, please study "The where" and "The Why" something works. Analyze the build in separate elements. The builds are for illustrative purposesonly.
Not one Youtube says this is the only way.
I have seen a lot of builds from people who value theyre builds soo much, they refuse to put the build on youtube. Its okay to think for yourself. Its okay to design youre own build as long as it is effective .
I've played with some excellent sorcerer tanks sporting an Ice Staff. This raid leader sounds like a jerk - though his antics on the microphone sound mildly amusing. ^^
But I agree - I can't stand it when people trash other players merely because they play differently than the status quo. Unfortunately that's been a problem on MMORPGs since they were invented.
I personally always come up with my own builds and never copy someone else on the internet. To me that is at least half of the fun of an MMORPG - coming up with my own builds and what works best for me.Edited by Jeremy on December 20, 2018 5:17PM0 -
Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.
Yep! I rarely wear either of them. Too many are obsessed with these two sets.1 -
kathandira✭✭✭✭✭
✭MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »I have to say this about YouTube and builds from other sources. Those builds are a good place for an experience or inexperienced mmo player to review and start planning for a character. Than from their own playing experience and play style the player should modify the build to suite how they play their character.
ESO when compared to some other MMOs has more things to consider and because of this online builds tend to be held in high regard for players new to the RPGMMO games.
Any player that thinks the only way to play is within another person build than they are very wet behind the ear and really need to play a bit more to find their play style and what really works for them in the game.
I wouldn't throw them under the buss though, even if I wanted to, I would just show them how other builds that are not illustrated online through YouTube can play in the game.
Spot on. Well saidPS4-NA. Breton Templar Healer, Bosmer Stamplar, Breton Magplar, Orsimer StamDK, Dunmer MagDK, Khajiit StamNB, Dunmer MagNB, Argonian Warden Tank, Altmer Magsorc1 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭People should stop using leaderboard builds and tactics in non-leaderboard situations and most of these problems would go away.
They cant. They are dps crazy bro.
Its ridiculous. I have never seen this in 40+ years of gaming and mmos.
Healers and tanks are like 2nd rate to dps in this game. They say support youre team when really they mean help me dps more.
Please put on that medium dps set to help me dps more. Healer put in that buff set to help dps more.
Alkosh is worn usually as weps/jewels. Not body. Pipe down.1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭This idea that only builds from youtube From Alcast and Asian are the only builds that can work in the game, is an assertion of idiocy.
I cant believe how infected the community has become by this idea.
There are sooo many different ways to reach the dps, healing and tanking in this game people.
We really need to turn this around. I recently had some guy tell me in Cloudrest that my tank build was a trash build and I should off tank. I was on with a Sorc Magika Tank with frost staff. He mocked me while I was off mic as he said "I want to be different and not use a build from youtube" (voiced in sarcastic non masculine voice)
I was flabbergasted by the sheer stupidity of this guild leader. I then mic'ed up and asked him, "why is this a trash build?"
He responded, "how are you going to taunt when you get interrupted with staff HA?" I responded, "Um inner fire"
He then asked, "when you run out of magika?" I said "I dont because my recover is at 1800 and I have tri pots and conversion"
Then the last thing I said to him was this,
"Youre an idiot who is incapable of thinking for yourself. You should listen to how stupid you sound when you say that a "Youtube Build" is the only way to get the job done. I feel sorry for youre guild because you hold them back.
My builds are better than youtube.
They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
I ended it with this, I could pick you up. But Inwont tank for an idiot.
Then I left.
Guys, Gals, if you are going to watch youtube, please study "The where" and "The Why" something works. Analyze the build in separate elements. The builds are for illustrative purposesonly.
Not one Youtube says this is the only way.
I have seen a lot of builds from people who value theyre builds soo much, they refuse to put the build on youtube. Its okay to think for yourself. Its okay to design youre own build as long as it is effective .
I've played with some excellent sorcerer tanks sporting an Ice Staff. This raid leader sounds like a jerk - though his antics on the microphone sound mildly amusing. ^^
But I agree - I can't stand it when people trash other players merely because they play differently than the status quo. Unfortunately that's been a problem on MMORPGs since they were invented.
I personally always come up with my own builds and never copy someone else on the internet. To me that is at least half of the fun of an MMORPG - coming up with my own builds and what works best for me.
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.
Yep! I rarely wear either of them. Too many are obsessed with these two sets.
Im also going to ask for an adjustment to those sets0 -
Mureel✭✭✭✭✭
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*Operatically* Thiiiiiiis!kathandira wrote: »kathandira wrote: »What else can a tank do? Tanks can do a lot to mitigate damage for the group, crowd control, taunt and position boss and adds, weaken boss damage, pick up team.
mitigate damage for the group - Support
weaken boss damage - Support
crowd control - Support
Just add a DPS buff in there, and you are doing exactly what people are saying tanks do.
As soon as you support the tank and healer with their jobs. No problem. Fair is fair.
I am the healer =p I support the Tank and DPS and Healers with buffs to their sustain, DPS, and mitigation.
Olorime and Worm Cult (Increased Spell Damage & Reduced Magicka Cost). I use Luminous Shards for the Melee/Tank and Orbs for the Ranged. I use Combat Prayer on the Melee and Tank to increase their DPS and Mitigation. I use Extended Ritual for Purify. I use Siphon Spirit also for Sustain and Healing.
My job is to support everyone, and keep them alive.
*Bows*
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭any content with any build is easy if you have bis gear and years of practice
lets see them do anything on a new account with nothing
Funny you mention that. I have 2 accounts because I have naxed my character slots on my max cp account.
It is much harder. Certain things cannot be done with low cp. But I have seen some skilled platers who are waay better than me do some amazing things at low cp0 -
dovakiin5574✭✭✭✭✭I made a similar post and all i got was hate. Feels bad manEdited by dovakiin5574 on December 20, 2018 5:25PMPAPSMEAR - Positively Against Paws SMEAR campaign - Say YES to crown crates1 -
Claudman✭✭✭✭✭While I agree that builds online serve as a reference and not a rulebook for people to flock to for utmost guidance...
Your entire team dying as you served as a tank doesn't prove that you are good at the game, it kinda proves that you were unable to tank properly for the rest of your team. As one support-main to another, it's your duty to keep the rest of your team alive unless you had intended for them to die. Your job is to tank and for example, mine is to heal...
I main a Nightblade healer which I often use for Veteran DLC dungeons and stuff ever since Magplar has been made as useful as a Magicka Warden DPS who uses dual-wield.
And no, Magplar Healer isn't as good as Mageblade Healer. As someone who's played every healer in the game, Magplar is actually the worse for support and now is the worst for healing.Edited by Claudman on December 20, 2018 5:29PMWelcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭While I agree that builds online serve as a reference and not a rulebook for people to flock to for utmost guidance...
Your entire team dying as you served as a tank doesn't prove that you are good at the game, it kinda proves that you were unable to tank properly for the rest of your team. As one support-main to another, it's your duty to keep the rest of your team alive unless you had intended for them to die. Your job is to tank and for example, mine is to heal...
I main a Nightblade healer which I often use for Veteran DLC dungeons and stuff ever since Magplar has been made as useful as a Magicka Warden DPS who uses dual-wield.
And youre full of poo because it was the mechanic that killed them. No build can save against mechanic error
Learn the raid b4 you speak0 -
Claudman✭✭✭✭✭While I agree that builds online serve as a reference and not a rulebook for people to flock to for utmost guidance...
Your entire team dying as you served as a tank doesn't prove that you are good at the game, it kinda proves that you were unable to tank properly for the rest of your team. As one support-main to another, it's your duty to keep the rest of your team alive unless you had intended for them to die. Your job is to tank and for example, mine is to heal...
I main a Nightblade healer which I often use for Veteran DLC dungeons and stuff ever since Magplar has been made as useful as a Magicka Warden DPS who uses dual-wield.
And youre full of poo because it was the mechanic that killed them. No build can save against mechanic error
Learn the raid b4 you speak
"They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly."
The tank could still screw up on the burn phase as easily as anyone else on the team, dumb-dumb.
By not buffing the team or keeping the boss steady. OP hadn't stated that the team had died due to a mechanic like that of vMoL, vSP, vRoM or vHoF (I.e. ignoring one-shot mechanic or not interrupting).
Learn to read before you speak.
Oh, look at that, you are OP.
Perhaps you should word your post properly.Edited by Claudman on December 20, 2018 5:37PMWelcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.0 -
Rain_Greyraven✭✭✭✭✭mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »If I have to hear "Why arnt you wearing Ebon and Alkosh" One more time. Im gonna, IM GONNA ... probably do nothing, cause I really couldnt care less.
You know I have a very harsh and degrading comeback when someone ask that....it has actually made more than a few rage quit.
Forum rules forbids me repeating it though.
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.”
― Robert E. Howard
So you want to be a game developer? Here is the best way to go about it.1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭While I agree that builds online serve as a reference and not a rulebook for people to flock to for utmost guidance...
Your entire team dying as you served as a tank doesn't prove that you are good at the game, it kinda proves that you were unable to tank properly for the rest of your team. As one support-main to another, it's your duty to keep the rest of your team alive unless you had intended for them to die. Your job is to tank and for example, mine is to heal...
I main a Nightblade healer which I often use for Veteran DLC dungeons and stuff ever since Magplar has been made as useful as a Magicka Warden DPS who uses dual-wield.
And youre full of poo because it was the mechanic that killed them. No build can save against mechanic error
Learn the raidWhile I agree that builds online serve as a reference and not a rulebook for people to flock to for utmost guidance...
Your entire team dying as you served as a tank doesn't prove that you are good at the game, it kinda proves that you were unable to tank properly for the rest of your team. As one support-main to another, it's your duty to keep the rest of your team alive unless you had intended for them to die. Your job is to tank and for example, mine is to heal...
I main a Nightblade healer which I often use for Veteran DLC dungeons and stuff ever since Magplar has been made as useful as a Magicka Warden DPS who uses dual-wield.
And youre full of poo because it was the mechanic that killed them. No build can save against mechanic error
Learn the raid b4 you speak
"They all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly."
The tank could still screw up on the burn phase as easily as anyone else on the team, dumb-dumb.
By not buffing the team or keeping the boss steady. OP hadn't stated that the team had died due to a mechanic like that of vMoL, vSP, vRoM or vHoF (I.e. ignoring one-shot mechanic or not interrupting).
Learn to read before you speak.
Oh, look at that, you are OP.
Perhaps you should word your post properly.
So the buff will work on them from upstairs? If you have to depend on burn from the tank just to get thru the 1st boss then you have no businrss in the raid.
Now youre turn. You learn how to readEdited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 5:41PM0 -
Claudman✭✭✭✭✭@Lab3360
Your initial (and continued) immature response only shows how equally immature you are compared to those who are supposedly "sheeple just following a meta". You're throwing stones in glass houses, man. From what it seems to me, you're unable to handle a small bit of criticism which you might've been at fault due to being unable to keep a boss or group steady. Maybe you weren't at fault, but before casting judgement on the DPS, had you even bothered to look at what you were doing? Have you even bothered to look at your build? To see what your build could use?
Unless your DPS were intentionally standing in AoEs and were ignoring mechanics entirely for the sake of pushing their numbers higher, you can still be at fault. Especially since you serve as a buffer yourself. Staves don't have "Pierce Armor"
Shields do.
You're literally chipping a percentage of damage due to the lack of a support debuff. A tank's job isn't only to tank. A healer's job isn't only to heal. There are small passives and skills required to further debuff the boss or buff the group and by using a frost staff, you've taken away Major Breach.
Edited by Claudman on December 20, 2018 5:52PMWelcome, Moon-and-Star, to this place where destiny is made.
I play healers or DPS often for vet dungeons and trials (NA, CP810+). I play mostly elves or Argonians.
I primarily play Damage-Based stuff in PvP, but occasionally I'll play something tanky or got the heals.
I also love gaining more knowledge both metaphysical and mundane regarding TES lore.
I also occasionally role-play, but I prefer playing the game.8 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭@Lab3360
Your initial (and continued) immature response only shows how equally immature you are compared to those who are supposedly "sheeple just following a meta". You're throwing stones in glass houses, man. From what it seems to me, you're unable to handle a small bit of criticism which you might've been at fault due to being unable to keep a boss or group steady. Maybe you weren't at fault, but before casting judgement on the DPS, had you even bothered to look at what you were doing? Have you even bothered to look at your build? To see what your build could use?
Unless your DPS were intentionally standing in AoEs and were ignoring mechanics entirely for the sake of pushing their numbers higher, you can still be at fault. Especially since you serve as a buffer yourself. Staves don't have "Pierce Armor"
Shields do.
You're literally chipping a percentage of damage due to the lack of a support debuff. A tank's job isn't only to tank. A healer's job isn't only to heal. There are small passives and skills required to further debuff the boss or buff the group and by using a frost staff, you've taken away Major Breach.
Um, that was a joke bro. Geez0 -
generalmyrick✭✭✭✭✭
✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Alcast's builds are for noobs and lazy players who don't want to do a little bit of research. Even he does not use them. There is a reason why Alcast and Hodor don't post their 'personal' builds.
yeap, with enough research you realize there are way better builds than that youtube trash.
as a guildie of mine says, they are a good place to look to get a start or learn how to make a build."The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are a popular cultural meme, a metaphor representing the choice between:
Knowledge, freedom, uncertainty and the brutal truths of reality (red pill)
Security, happiness, beauty, and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)"
Insight to Agree to Awesome Ratio = 1:6.04:2.76 as of 1/25/2019
Compared to people that I've ignored = I am 18% more insightful, 20% less agreeable, and 88% more awesome.1 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭generalmyrick wrote: »Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »Alcast's builds are for noobs and lazy players who don't want to do a little bit of research. Even he does not use them. There is a reason why Alcast and Hodor don't post their 'personal' builds.
yeap, with enough research you realize there are way better builds than that youtube trash.
as a guildie of mine says, they are a good place to look to get a start or learn how to make a build.
This happens when skill level increases1 -
Defilted✭✭✭✭✭
✭Youtube builds are for ideas to jump off of. They are for new players who do not understand how builds work in ESO. Making your own build based on you style will always be better.XBOX NA
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