Lab3360 wrote: »

Oh. Ok. It not a dps set.

Its only a medium set
It only has weapon damage
It only has weapon critical..

Oh ok. I understand

How do you feel about Stam DPS using Berserking Warrior?


Type: Heavy Armor

(2 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) When you deal melee damage, your Critical Strike rating is increased by 400 for 5 seconds, stacking up to 5 times.

It's Heavy, so it is a Tank set, right?

Is Rattlecage a Tank Set?

Type: Heavy Armor

(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health

(3 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage

(5 items) Gain Major Sorcery at all times, increasing your Spell Damage by 20%.

(5 items) Adds 100 Spell Damage.

It's Heavy, and has Health on it. Would this be a Tank set?

Lab3360 wrote: »

T3hasiangod wrote: »

Lol ok ESO Daily. Guess I'll just stop making videos then.

Im not eso daily. And I liked you

Sorry, I'm married.

Guess you aren't ESO Daily then.

I just figured that with your 40 years of experience and your very similar anger issues and grammar mistakes that you would be him.

But you said you aren't him, and everything on the Internet is true.

Lab3360 wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

What else can a tank do? Tanks can do a lot to mitigate damage for the group, crowd control, taunt and position boss and adds, weaken boss damage, pick up team.

mitigate damage for the group - Support

weaken boss damage - Support

crowd control - Support

Just add a DPS buff in there, and you are doing exactly what people are saying tanks do.

As soon as you support the tank and healer with their jobs. No problem. Fair is fair.

What are you on? The goal of the fight is to kill the boss, not stand there mitigating damage to see how long you can survive.

Also, just because a set is medium doesn't make it a dps set. Christ, do you even read what sets do? Dps literally use a heavy armor set in the "meta" right now, does that make them tanks?

Really? So tanks need weapon damage?
So tanks need critical wep dam?

Just because it has one of those piece bonuses doesn't mean it's a DPS set. There's plenty of viable DPS sets with 1 piece health, that doesn't mean they're tank sets. The 5 piece set bonus is what makes the biggest impact. Sure the others come into play, but the difference between 1 piece weapon crit and having another 4% healing taken is not going to be nearly as big as debuffing the enemy by 3010 penetration which effectively gives nearly 300 weapon or spell damage to 8 of your dps.

Oh. Ok. It not a dps set.

Its only a medium set
It only has weapon damage
It only has weapon critical..

Oh ok. I understand

I hope your tank is using fkin Skoria dude.

Inklings wrote: »

This is one reason why i miss Gilliams videos. They were long but if you paid attention, by the end of it you learned so much. More content creators need to take this approach of teaching players how to fish instead of just giving them the fish. Sadly though most players just want to be told how to play with out understanding why.

My perspective on that:

There are dedicated players, and fair weather players.

The dedicated players take the time to learn and apply that knowledge the best that it can be. These people will try many sets and combos, research different perspectives, have conversations with other players, and run many tests to perfect their rotation and application of skills

The fair weather players rush to CP160, look up the strongest builds, complete the content they can with the little knowledge and skills they have, then leave when the game gets "stale" for them. They aren't that invested, and often get bored very quickly because they took the express route, and were disappointed by the lack of challenge, and perceived lack of content that they blew through. You likely won't find these players in Vet Trials as they realize their incompetence pretty quickly. Once they hit that wall, and realize they need to actually put in work to learn and improve, they leave for the next hot game.

Joker99 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

What else can a tank do? Tanks can do a lot to mitigate damage for the group, crowd control, taunt and position boss and adds, weaken boss damage, pick up team.

mitigate damage for the group - Support

weaken boss damage - Support

crowd control - Support

Just add a DPS buff in there, and you are doing exactly what people are saying tanks do.

As soon as you support the tank and healer with their jobs. No problem. Fair is fair.

What are you on? The goal of the fight is to kill the boss, not stand there mitigating damage to see how long you can survive.

Also, just because a set is medium doesn't make it a dps set. Christ, do you even read what sets do? Dps literally use a heavy armor set in the "meta" right now, does that make them tanks?

Really? So tanks need weapon damage?
So tanks need critical wep dam?

Just because it has one of those piece bonuses doesn't mean it's a DPS set. There's plenty of viable DPS sets with 1 piece health, that doesn't mean they're tank sets. The 5 piece set bonus is what makes the biggest impact. Sure the others come into play, but the difference between 1 piece weapon crit and having another 4% healing taken is not going to be nearly as big as debuffing the enemy by 3010 penetration which effectively gives nearly 300 weapon or spell damage to 8 of your dps.

Oh. Ok. It not a dps set.

Its only a medium set
It only has weapon damage
It only has weapon critical..

Oh ok. I understand

I hope your tank is using fkin Skoria dude.

This is a really underrated comment tbh

Lab3360 wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

DjMuscleboy02 wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Lab3360 wrote: »

What else can a tank do? Tanks can do a lot to mitigate damage for the group, crowd control, taunt and position boss and adds, weaken boss damage, pick up team.

mitigate damage for the group - Support

weaken boss damage - Support

crowd control - Support

Just add a DPS buff in there, and you are doing exactly what people are saying tanks do.

As soon as you support the tank and healer with their jobs. No problem. Fair is fair.

What are you on? The goal of the fight is to kill the boss, not stand there mitigating damage to see how long you can survive.

Also, just because a set is medium doesn't make it a dps set. Christ, do you even read what sets do? Dps literally use a heavy armor set in the "meta" right now, does that make them tanks?

Really? So tanks need weapon damage?
So tanks need critical wep dam?

Just because it has one of those piece bonuses doesn't mean it's a DPS set. There's plenty of viable DPS sets with 1 piece health, that doesn't mean they're tank sets. The 5 piece set bonus is what makes the biggest impact. Sure the others come into play, but the difference between 1 piece weapon crit and having another 4% healing taken is not going to be nearly as big as debuffing the enemy by 3010 penetration which effectively gives nearly 300 weapon or spell damage to 8 of your dps.

Oh. Ok. It not a dps set.

Its only a medium set
It only has weapon damage
It only has weapon critical..

Oh ok. I understand

Your argument holds no merit. You're arguing based off the fact that we both agree Medium armor is always a DPS set. We don't. At least present an intelligent defense to what you're saying.

There is that condescending dps elitist spirit. Thats the spirit soldier.

I was wondering when you were going to come out and play

You ignored my comment, I wanted to know your thoughts on it.

I guess you don't realise that you don't wear Alkosh on your body pieces. You wear the Jewellery, swords and a shield. You can also trait change jewellery now so you can put it to healthy or triune if you wish.

So technically it's not really a medium armor set in that case lol

Here is another set to consider in the debate of "Medium is a DPS set"

Dreugh King Slayer

Type: Heavy Armor

(2 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Gain Major Brutality at all times, increasing your Weapon Damage by 20%. When you kill an enemy, you gain Major Expedition for 8 seconds, increasing your Movement Speed by 30%.

With the 3 Heavy sets I posted which are DPS sets stats wise, you have to wonder where the idea that tanks shouldn't be using DPS sets comes from. Because ZOS doesn't agree with that.

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I'm surprised this is still going. I guess build diversity will be dead soon enough, and that will be a happy day for those elitists. Maybe they'll make it a national holiday.

I only support it in Vet Trails. You really do have to be up to par to be effective. I'm not advocating everyone follow the meta to the letter, but each member of the team really does have to be doing their part.

In Normal mode anything, you can roll in wearing more or less whatever you want, and you will be fine so long as you know the mechanics and can execute them well enough. I've been in Normal Trials with very unorthodox players, and still got through them. I kid you not, I joined a nmol pug where we didn't have a Tank until the Oreo Boss, and at that, we only had 1 Tank. It was a really fun run even as chaotic as it was.

Lab3360 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I'm surprised this is still going. I guess build diversity will be dead soon enough, and that will be a happy day for those elitists. Maybe they'll make it a national holiday.

I only support it in Vet Trails. You really do have to be up to par to be effective. I'm not advocating everyone follow the meta to the letter, but each member of the team really does have to be doing their part.

In Normal mode anything, you can roll in wearing more or less whatever you want, and you will be fine so long as you know the mechanics and can execute them well enough. I've been in Normal Trials with very unorthodox players, and still got through them. I kid you not, I joined a nmol pug where we didn't have a Tank until the Oreo Boss, and at that, we only had 1 Tank. It was a really fun run even as chaotic as it was.

I do in vet trials. Our dps are still working

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

PelinalWhitestrake wrote: »

I'm surprised this is still going. I guess build diversity will be dead soon enough, and that will be a happy day for those elitists. Maybe they'll make it a national holiday.

ZOS's own 'Play How You Like' was thrown out of the window eons ago thanks to the elitist ilk.

Thanks for the laugh though. I damn near had a heart attack cackling how Alkosh is a "must-have" set for tanking.

When has ESO truly been diverse, with how the game works something is always going to be better than something else

In the very early goings, which is why I said the whole 'Play How You Like' hasn't been a real thing for eons. ZOS didn't have the backbone to stick to it. Instead of offering more options they introduced sets that blatantly perform way better than others. Edit: For group play.

Besides, out of the three total posts of mine in here, I never denied that there are set-ups that work better so I don't get why you felt the need to remind me of that. My problem is with the elitist snobs who tell others that you need to run War Machine, Alkosh, etc. etc. and abhor the notion that certain people like to run-non-Meta/BiS set-ups. And they deny those people from running content on Veteran and Normal, and I've personally experienced those type of people.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhh..lol
Dont worry. This is going to get addressed. There was a reason I made the thread.

These people make the game unenjoyable.
I would like to get statistics of people who have actually unsubbed or quite the game because of this. If anyone has any ideas, please pm it to me please. I have quite a fee friends who have moved on because of it. But I dont know if they represent the fair cross section or not.

You need to compare that to the amount of people who quit the game because of the frankly lacklustre amount of key information that’s provided to players when they start. So many get overwhelmed and the overland/questing does nothing to prepare you for dungeons and normal content does nothing to prepare you for vet content. Reckon that number will be a lot higher! Metas are a core part of most MMOs and although this MMO isn’t as tied to it like say WoW it still exists to an extent.
Resistance caps, pen caps, champion point jump points damage scaling, rotation importance just to name a few things the community and mainly you tubers who have helped communicate this message out at scale.

But hey keep going with your Nostradamus predictions - even a broken clock is right twice a day so good luck.

Any game will have the Min/Max community.

They will always figure out the best build. Even if they only get .001% more damage it will be deemed the best build and BiS items.

Once that is determined the people that are wanting to play with the top people, or that just don't have the time to figure out other good/viable builds follow these guidelines.

Who exactly are you though to tell people to stop making them or following them. You come as somebody who talks like that isn't a good thing and diversity should rule, yet you are only doing the same thing saying your way is best. Let people build their characters the way they want. If they want to follow Alcast that's fine. If the want to just throw skills on the bar and play let them do it.