Youtube Builds - Can We Stop Please?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.
What do u mean?
You don't want to know this time....my poor maiden eyes wish they hadn't...
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank. Again no build can overcome that mechanicEdited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 11:38AM0 -
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Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.
What do u mean?
Playing innocent now huh? Well that's not heavenly behaviour my brother, I hope you reflect so our Lord may once again bless you.
Umm. That was a legitimate question in need of clarification. I dont play innocent because im not and dont want be.
Thats for perfect people.
Sinful behaviour will not be tolerated!!!!!!!!! 😡Why, when an AV actress leashes her pet slave and sits on his face she's called sexy or a babe, but when I do that to my pvp opponents, I'm called toxic?
Why, when someone swaps toons to a different faction to farm 25k AP for transmutes, it's seen as a bit of naughty fun, but when I delete my DC rank 50 Grand Overlord with 4000 hours clocked to create an EP Argonian, I'm called a faction swapper?
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me.
Well that's on you buddy, always ensure both parties have consent and raise your concerns before he puts it in.
What do u mean?
Playing innocent now huh? Well that's not heavenly behaviour my brother, I hope you reflect so our Lord may once again bless you.
Umm. That was a legitimate question in need of clarification. I dont play innocent because im not and dont want be.
Thats for perfect people.
Sinful behaviour will not be tolerated!!!!!!!!! 😡
Dude, if there is such a thing, i made my bed long ago.1 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
The build has cleared much harder trials that easy vcr. I just cose not to work with a disrespectful leader.Edited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 11:47AM0 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to downstairsEdited by Lab3360 on December 20, 2018 11:50AM0 -
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The tank down bottom can do it, I'm just telling you builds can make things easier ...
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to dowstairs
And why are you sending shards down stairs, no wonder the adds were all over the place
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Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
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Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
I also was not running all over the place. I use innerfire to taunt them. Got the point I had so many of them i could not even see. So even if u had chains, it was not goung to happen and yes, i rolled thru several time to get more0 -
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In his OP he mentions he is mostly built for mag and high mag recovery. You don't have enough stam to sustain taunting and chaining them in with the high cost
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
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The tank down bottom can do it, I'm just telling you builds can make things easier ...
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to dowstairs
And why are you sending shards down stairs, no wonder the adds were all over the place
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✭OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
Show me a tank is a "support role" from an official eso or developer article.
Just look at the sets zenimax gives us and then tell me, tank is not a support role. Even skills and passives build for tanks has a support part in it.
Pierce armor: Taunts and debuffs the Boss. (Armor debuff, more dps from group = support)
Inner fire: Taunts the boss and grants a synergy for the group (supports the group with damage)
Igneous shield: Shield and major mending for you, smaler shield for Group member (support the group with shield)
Engulfing flames: 10% more flame damage
Sets for tanking:
Ebonheart: give 1k health to everyone in group (support)
Alkosh (debuff boss more and dd can make more damage, support)
Torugs: buff that crusher and weakening glyph even more (support)
And then tank is not meant to Support? Kidding?0 -
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Typically you have a person dedicated to grabbing them all
The tank down bottom can do it, I'm just telling you builds can make things easier ...
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to dowstairs
And why are you sending shards down stairs, no wonder the adds were all over the place
Now youre just making things up. If a shard is near me i can grab it since no one else is getting it.
as for the adds, just using inner fire isn't going to really do much, you want them to be ontop of you, so either chains or leash but you said you're built for mag so leash would be difficult. There are ranged adds you kind of want them in front of the dd's so they can get damaged by dots instead of everyone turning around and damaging them and leaving the boss
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In his OP he mentions he is mostly built for mag and high mag recovery. You don't have enough stam to sustain taunting and chaining them in with the high cost
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
Just dropping to mention sliver leash.
I dont mind being scrutinized. Downstairs mechanic errors were on the group below0 -
Rikkadir✭✭✭I've learnt (I'm British) so much from Xynode's build videos on YouTube.
The builds change with every patch so they're always up to date.
Use them or not, they're just a guide that's helped me from wasting precious skill points.
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The tank down bottom can do it, I'm just telling you builds can make things easier ...
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to dowstairs
And why are you sending shards down stairs, no wonder the adds were all over the place
Now youre just making things up. If a shard is near me i can grab it since no one else is getting it.
Nobody is making stuff up dude, you have no idea how that trial is done, it's the kiter healer's job to do it. You don't have to get it if it's near you, can just focus on doing your job, which you aren't.PC-EU
DPS Slave:
StamNB, MagNB, MagPlar, MagDK, StamDK, StamWarden
Mostly just a scrub. Not even max CP.Actually max CP.0 -
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In his OP he mentions he is mostly built for mag and high mag recovery. You don't have enough stam to sustain taunting and chaining them in with the high cost
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
Just dropping to mention sliver leash.
Ah thanks, yeah 8 pages later...I have forgotten many things. I wondering how this will end now. So many different tagents.0 -
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Typically you have a person dedicated to grabbing them all
The tank down bottom can do it, I'm just telling you builds can make things easier ...
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to dowstairs
And why are you sending shards down stairs, no wonder the adds were all over the place
Now youre just making things up. If a shard is near me i can grab it since no one else is getting it.
as for the adds, just using inner fire isn't going to really do much, you want them to be ontop of you, so either chains or leash but you said you're built for mag so leash would be difficult. There are ranged adds you kind of want them in front of the dd's so they can get damaged by dots instead of everyone turning around and damaging them and leaving the boss
Since he said he is using a frost tank i would assume he plays warden so you could use the warden teleport to get adds to you.1 -
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He said he's a mag sorc tank built with high recovery in his OP,
Typically you have a person dedicated to grabbing them all
The tank down bottom can do it, I'm just telling you builds can make things easier ...
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to dowstairs
And why are you sending shards down stairs, no wonder the adds were all over the place
Now youre just making things up. If a shard is near me i can grab it since no one else is getting it.
as for the adds, just using inner fire isn't going to really do much, you want them to be ontop of you, so either chains or leash but you said you're built for mag so leash would be difficult. There are ranged adds you kind of want them in front of the dd's so they can get damaged by dots instead of everyone turning around and damaging them and leaving the boss
Since he said he is using a frost tank i would assume he plays warden so you could use the warden teleport to get adds to you.
Warden is fine to play also, I'm just here saying that his build actually isn't all that great for doing cloudrest and sorc tanking it isn't really the best choice eitherEdited by Nifty2g on December 20, 2018 12:06PM#MOREORBS0 -
Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭
In his OP he mentions he is mostly built for mag and high mag recovery. You don't have enough stam to sustain taunting and chaining them in with the high cost
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
Just dropping to mention sliver leash.
I dont mind being scrutinized. DownstaOblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
Show me a tank is a "support role" from an official eso or developer article.
Just look at the sets zenimax gives us and then tell me, tank is not a support role. Even skills and passives build for tanks has a support part in it.
Pierce armor: Taunts and debuffs the Boss. (Armor debuff, more dps from group = support)
Inner fire: Taunts the boss and grants a synergy for the group (supports the group with damage)
Igneous shield: Shield and major mending for you, smaler shield for Group member (support the group with shield)
Engulfing flames: 10% more flame damage
Sets for tanking:
Ebonheart: give 1k health to everyone in group (support)
Alkosh (debuff boss more and dd can make more damage, support)
Torugs: buff that crusher and weakening glyph even more (support)
And then tank is not meant to Support? Kidding?
That would mean dps are support roles by youre own logic. Alot of buffs in the game for dps sets too,medium and light sets as well as class passives.
You still have not showed me a document or article thats states tank and or healers are support roles.
And you wont either.0 -
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Typically you have a person dedicated to grabbing them all
The tank down bottom can do it, I'm just telling you builds can make things easier ...
Sure it can, you can help deliver the orbs as the tank like I said
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
No build saves from the mechanic of not clearing downstairs.
You cant deliver orbs up top and I was sending shards to dowstairs
And why are you sending shards down stairs, no wonder the adds were all over the place
Now youre just making things up. If a shard is near me i can grab it since no one else is getting it.
as for the adds, just using inner fire isn't going to really do much, you want them to be ontop of you, so either chains or leash but you said you're built for mag so leash would be difficult. There are ranged adds you kind of want them in front of the dd's so they can get damaged by dots instead of everyone turning around and damaging them and leaving the boss
They didnt have anyone dedicated for sending shards0 -
Tirps✭✭✭✭
In his OP he mentions he is mostly built for mag and high mag recovery. You don't have enough stam to sustain taunting and chaining them in with the high cost
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
Just dropping to mention sliver leash.
I dont mind being scrutinized. DownstaOblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
Show me a tank is a "support role" from an official eso or developer article.
Just look at the sets zenimax gives us and then tell me, tank is not a support role. Even skills and passives build for tanks has a support part in it.
Pierce armor: Taunts and debuffs the Boss. (Armor debuff, more dps from group = support)
Inner fire: Taunts the boss and grants a synergy for the group (supports the group with damage)
Igneous shield: Shield and major mending for you, smaler shield for Group member (support the group with shield)
Engulfing flames: 10% more flame damage
Sets for tanking:
Ebonheart: give 1k health to everyone in group (support)
Alkosh (debuff boss more and dd can make more damage, support)
Torugs: buff that crusher and weakening glyph even more (support)
And then tank is not meant to Support? Kidding?
That would mean dps are support roles by youre own logic. Alot of buffs in the game for dps sets too,medium and light sets as well as class passives.
You still have not showed me a document or article thats states tank and or healers are support roles.
And you wont either.
Please explain us what tank is it then if it's not support?cp1k+ ( ´•౪•`)1 -
OblivionNW✭✭alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Yeah let me just look at all those official game documents, oh wait there are none. Tanks have always been support roles in ESO whether you like it or not, tank sets have been designed around buffing your group and if you can't believe that I don't know what to say to you.2 -
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✭Personally the you tube builds are useful for the community and help players finding their feet in the game.
What’s not useful is players using them as gospel and saying everything else is trash. This is a user issue though and not a created issue. the you tubers themselves and I’ve heard both those mentioned by OP discuss alternative options.
Asian has done some direct comparisons to show why 1 set is stronger than the other but they are very detailed and backed by numbers so you can’t really disputes that and again that’s useful to help people choose the right sets.
Overall the game is better for these people as they cover a lot of what should be easier to get through the game, the issue is their word is treated as definitive and people become close minded in terms of looking at alternative options.3 -
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One of the healers usually grabs the shards
In his OP he mentions he is mostly built for mag and high mag recovery. You don't have enough stam to sustain taunting and chaining them in with the high cost
Well like I said you can chain them, but you were on a sorc tank. So they were probably running all over the place and hitting people.
Well in your OP you say
Well that raid was clearly not for you, they had higher expectations and wanted a more optimised raid from what you have said. But going on and posting this thread and some of the replies you've said, this doesn't make you right at all. You can play how you want but it is up to the person who leads the raid how they want it to be done, some people don't care at all but some people want people to be in certain builds and classes to have a better results.
The raiding community has had the tank role be a supporting role for years now, the developers don't exactly choose the way people decide to play. The players will be the ones to figure out what works best.alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »OblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
lol/lmao a tank is a support role is all iam going to say
Show me that on an official eso document or site stated by eso representative or article from developer.
Tanks debuff / buff the group because it is the most optimal thing to do, majority of people doing end game trials will want the most optimised thing to do, just because you want to disagree with them doesn't make them wrong and you shouldn't be getting "fired up" over it. Groups have requirements if you will do your own thing you will probably get replaced, it's how it goes.
I have never been replaced.
But, i did walk out of that raid.
He never asked me. He could have been respectful.
Also, no build saves groups from failed mechanics.
As a tank with the correct build you can help downstairs by picking up the orbsThey all wiped from because theyre guild could not execute downstairs correctly.
Adds everywhere. Guess whonwas still standing.
And also if you were on a DK tank you can actually chain the adds in bottom and top group and make it so they aren't everywhere. Most groups do have expectations & builds help more than you think in not failing the mechanics and making fights much easier than they have to be because you want to play it your own way
I was not the downstairs tank.
I'm just letting you know why certain builds are not the greatest and why you would be hearing such things from people in the first place, cause the trial has been out for quite awhile now, most people know how to do the trial the most optimised way to make it easier by now, even the not so good groups.
You should ask yourself if it is really worth to make it harder for everyone just because you want to play a certain way and you want to run your own builds that are less efficient, you want to play classes that don't perform well as tanks and you don't want to help by debuffing / buffing your group etc. And if you do decide you want to keep doing what you are, then expect comments from people, but just remember they're not wrong in what they're saying, sure it's rude but it's also frustrating for them to get raids together and then have players doing what they please
Just dropping to mention sliver leash.
I dont mind being scrutinized. DownstaOblivionNW wrote: »Sorry to break your little bubble, but a Tank is a support role and supporting involves buffing the rest of your group. By not buffing them your bringing down the groups potential, Liofa and others summed it up perfectly. Its a shame you ignore every reasonable counter argument and go on ranting with everything else.First of all, I wanna say that I don't support the behaviour of the raid leader of that group. It's not a good thing to mock people. It's just childish and doesn't fit the face of raiding community in ESO.
Anyway, ESO is a game where everyone in the group helps each other. Healers help tanks and DDs by restoring their resources, purging negative effects and giving them buffs and debuffing enemies. DDs help each other by utilising Major Slayer sets, buffing each other with different class passives and debuffing enemies. Tanks release pressure from healers by running self heals, help DDs by increasing their damage and reducing their damage taken. Tanks provide synergies for each other. Healers likewise. DDs provide them to tanks. Healers provide to tanks and DDs. This is not a game of buffing DDs. Everyone helps everyone.
All of this effort is an example of how teamwork looks like and the best way to do it has been proven mathematically and in practice by people who give you the "Youtube Builds" for free. They are not forcing you to run them. Everyone in the groups that want you to run a specific build is supporting you directly and indirectly. When you get into a trial group in ESO, you are basically carrying a huge burden that's supposed to be carried by 12 players. When you sit on the burden and watch others carry it, they will have every right to push you off of it and get someone else to help them. Learn to play as a team and for your team.
Of course there are many people who don't care about any of this "giving your best" thing and it's ok to do so. If you insist on not doing that, you should run whatever content you want with them and enjoy the game the way you like to. Just don't expect to sit on the burden if others are expecting you to give it your best.
Show me a tank is a "support role" from an official eso or developer article.
Just look at the sets zenimax gives us and then tell me, tank is not a support role. Even skills and passives build for tanks has a support part in it.
Pierce armor: Taunts and debuffs the Boss. (Armor debuff, more dps from group = support)
Inner fire: Taunts the boss and grants a synergy for the group (supports the group with damage)
Igneous shield: Shield and major mending for you, smaler shield for Group member (support the group with shield)
Engulfing flames: 10% more flame damage
Sets for tanking:
Ebonheart: give 1k health to everyone in group (support)
Alkosh (debuff boss more and dd can make more damage, support)
Torugs: buff that crusher and weakening glyph even more (support)
And then tank is not meant to Support? Kidding?
That would mean dps are support roles by youre own logic. Alot of buffs in the game for dps sets too,medium and light sets as well as class passives.
You still have not showed me a document or article thats states tank and or healers are support roles.
And you wont either.
Example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEprwR_rH68
Also calling a tank a support role is subjective and something that the raiding community has been doing for years now#MOREORBS1 -
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Lab3360✭✭✭✭✭Parrot1986 wrote: »Personally the you tube builds are useful for the community and help players finding their feet in the game.
What’s not useful is players using them as gospel and saying everything else is trash. This is a user issue though and not a created issue. the you tubers themselves and I’ve heard both those mentioned by OP discuss alternative options.
Asian has done some direct comparisons to show why 1 set is stronger than the other but they are very detailed and backed by numbers so you can’t really disputes that and again that’s useful to help people choose the right sets.
Overall the game is better for these people as they cover a lot of what should be easier to get through the game, the issue is their word is treated as definitive and people become close minded in terms of looking at alternative options.
Its a huge problem.0
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