make CP character bound

Edziu · December 2018

well you see good
after I have seen many different posts and thereads I coudl find with it people who will be fine to have also CP as singel character progression
after I thought some I think they are right at all

lets look from 1 side...this is real grind to get cap cp from 0 but wait, at all every new character which we create is grind with everyting from nothing like skillpoints, skilline xp etc

even acheivement which we can say many we could be able to done only if we have over 300cp and with it we need to have great team to be able do them

there was many threads to make some grinds account share like just skyshards for skillpoints, or guild leveled to max and in every ask to have something account share we was overposted we cant, this is bad for everyone
so here I got that feel finally as they are righ, every character we create is supposed by ZOS to have his own progression, quest, exploration, learning recipes, motifs etc

and here Im asking...why we dont have character bound cp? we all can say it CP have really huuuuge impact for our new character if we have got 500+ cp on our main

and dont say I can play without redistributing cp on my new character because I will not feel goo with it as someone next to me even on tutorial quest can have just redistributed his cap cp on this freshly created character which would be not fair as why I should handicap myself with it when I just have avaible access to this like everyone else?

tbh its not that hard these days to grind cp for every our character, we have many xp bosters, lower cp lvls need realy low amount of cp so its really easy to get this minimum 300 at start and daily bonus xp for random dung also is per character even when it is maxed and just gaining CP

tactx · December 2018

Aisle9 · December 2018

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

Less grinds please, not more.

therift · December 2018

Is this a spite thread?

Edziu · December 2018

tactx wrote: »

I wa also for now but I jsut surrended finally after many forum-argument-figfhts with opposite site
I lost hope for account wide QoL new things so now Im asking for QoL for this other site which is winning as I see

wolfie1.0. · December 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

But what if we agreed to make those account bound but cp became character bound....

Edziu · December 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

ooo yes, I know, I had, maybe still have problem but well, please look my post before this one

Ruinhorn · December 2018

So, everyone who has 1 hour to play after hard day of work should spend this time grinding virtual levels? Seriously?
If I want to crate another character, let's say healer or tank, I should grind for eternity? Grind the whole life, that's how we "relax" after working and/or studying? Working even in game?

You know, I'd prefer GW2 system and make as many account wide things as it's possible.

Hurbster · December 2018

No.

Long answer - hell no.

Edziu · December 2018

Ruinhorn wrote: »

So, everyone who has 1 hour to play after hard day of work should spend this time grinding virtual levels? Seriously?
If I want to crate another character, let's say healer or tank, I should grind for eternity? Grind the whole life, that's how we "relax" after working and/or studying? Working even in game?

You know, I'd prefer GW2 system and make as many account wide things as it's possible.

as I was reading in many threads with suggestions to make something account share and how people was more upset to this then yes I suppose

more playerbase which I hear in threads like this is like yes to your questioons

I had same opinion as you before but now I changed site after giving up to look this all from different side

Aisle9 · December 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

ooo yes, I know, I had, maybe still have problem but well, please look my post before this one

Why not just a "reset CP" option then, so you can individually reset your own CP and have the feeling again, meanwhile we can make an alt and just grind dem 50 levels and not 1k CP as well...

Or better yet, why not just a new account... those come handy during events for all the pets and motifs, and stuff

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

But what if we agreed to make those account bound but cp became character bound....

Why not Skyshards and lorebooks account wide AND CP account wide ? That'd be awesome... I'd like that

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

But what if we agreed to make those account bound but cp became character bound....

Edziu wrote: »

Ruinhorn wrote: »

So, everyone who has 1 hour to play after hard day of work should spend this time grinding virtual levels? Seriously?
If I want to crate another character, let's say healer or tank, I should grind for eternity? Grind the whole life, that's how we "relax" after working and/or studying? Working even in game?

You know, I'd prefer GW2 system and make as many account wide things as it's possible.

as I was reading in many threads with suggestions to make something account share and how people was more upset to this then yes I suppose

more playerbase which I hear in threads like this is like yes to your questioons

I had same opinion as you before but now I changed site after giving up to look this all from different side

Hold on...

Is this code for "They are keeping me hostage, they threatened my family, please help" ?

Make a double post denying it, if it is.

Ruinhorn · December 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Ruinhorn wrote: »

So, everyone who has 1 hour to play after hard day of work should spend this time grinding virtual levels? Seriously?
If I want to crate another character, let's say healer or tank, I should grind for eternity? Grind the whole life, that's how we "relax" after working and/or studying? Working even in game?

You know, I'd prefer GW2 system and make as many account wide things as it's possible.

as I was reading in many threads with suggestions to make something account share and how people was more upset to this then yes I suppose

more playerbase which I hear in threads like this is like yes to your questioons

I had same opinion as you before but now I changed site after giving up to look this all from different side

And I heard that people are tired of grinding and would like to have more freedom and flexibility we've been promised since Beta (like PvP for everyone, just log in and go).

Different side is to force players to spend more time in a game and spend money for ESO+ and crates.

That's how any big social network feed works, and how business works

Edziu · December 2018

Aisle9 wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

ooo yes, I know, I had, maybe still have problem but well, please look my post before this one

Why not just a "reset CP" option then, so you can individually reset your own CP and have the feeling again, meanwhile we can make an alt and just grind dem 50 levels and not 1k CP as well...

Or better yet, why not just make a new account... those come handy during events

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Aisle9 wrote: »

No

Please and thank you.

I already rage every time I have to farm lorebooks and skyshards again...

But what if we agreed to make those account bound but cp became character bound....

Why not Skyshards and lorebooks account wide AND CP account wide ? That'd be awesome... I'd like that

I have wrote it at start
I will not reset my cp for my new character becuase this will make me feel I handicapped myself doing it while knowing everyone other character next to me even on tutorial map have this huge advantage over me with just CP so my immersion with it would be additionaly ruined

Danksta · December 2018

make cp garbage bound

Acrolas · December 2018

I'm pretty sure you could have answered your own question by attempting to itemize your individual characters' experience, allocate the correct portion of enlightened experience, and then assign a CP value to that adjusted number.

The system just isn't designed to track that type of information. That's why the Veteran Rank expansion and the conversion of VR into CP were both imprecise estimates based on reaching certain milestones.

Insanepirate01 · December 2018

No

Edziu · December 2018

Ruinhorn wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Ruinhorn wrote: »

So, everyone who has 1 hour to play after hard day of work should spend this time grinding virtual levels? Seriously?
If I want to crate another character, let's say healer or tank, I should grind for eternity? Grind the whole life, that's how we "relax" after working and/or studying? Working even in game?

You know, I'd prefer GW2 system and make as many account wide things as it's possible.

as I was reading in many threads with suggestions to make something account share and how people was more upset to this then yes I suppose

more playerbase which I hear in threads like this is like yes to your questioons

I had same opinion as you before but now I changed site after giving up to look this all from different side

And I heard that people are tired of grinding and would like to have more freedom and flexibility we've been promised since Beta (like PvP for everyone, just log in and go). Different side is to force players to spend more time in a game and spend money for ESO+ and crates. That's how any big social network feed works, and how business works

I know and here Im more surprised how many jsut players are defending for this and not just ZOS will answer to us to make it clear

Edziu · December 2018

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you could have answered your own question by attempting to itemize your individual characters' experience, allocate the correct portion of enlightened experience, and then assign a CP value to that adjusted number.

The system just isn't designed to track that type of information. That's why the Veteran Rank expansion and the conversion of VR into CP were both imprecise estimates based on reaching certain milestones.

well, tbh really many players was against removing vet rank and many will be have to give us them back

I myself will be to bring back atleast vet ranks

Thlepse · December 2018

Simply don't allocate them before you reach lvl 50 if you want things to be more challenging.

Edziu · December 2018

Thlepse wrote: »

Simply don't allocate them before you reach lvl 50 if you want things to be more challenging.

no thank you, this will feel me I handicapped myself by doing it among other players as I know how it look in overall

Sheezabeast · December 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Thlepse wrote: »

Simply don't allocate them before you reach lvl 50 if you want things to be more challenging.

no thank you, this will feel me I handicapped myself by doing it among other players as I know how it look in overall

So you would rather handicap everyone, rather than challenging yourself?

Aisle9 · December 2018

Edziu wrote: »

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm pretty sure you could have answered your own question by attempting to itemize your individual characters' experience, allocate the correct portion of enlightened experience, and then assign a CP value to that adjusted number.

The system just isn't designed to track that type of information. That's why the Veteran Rank expansion and the conversion of VR into CP were both imprecise estimates based on reaching certain milestones.

well, tbh really many players was against removing vet rank and many will be have to give us them back I myself will be to bring back atleast vet ranks

I was too, and I would have them back too, if not for the fact that vet ranks were a patchwork solution as well.

Game was supposed to have 50 levels, then they thought "How do we give them more vertical progression?"
Solution VR14

A while later the problem came up again
Solution VR16

Then they realized that Champion Points were the perfect solution, as you wouldn't have had a ceiling anymore and just removed the obsolete part, the Vet Ranks.

I don't agree with the whole concept, and personally I'd be content with not having CP at all, but once you give something you can't take it back, that's the first rule of marketing.

Also, the game is supposed to cater to the casual playerbase, and CP, even with all the catch up mechanics, are a considerable grind.

I don't like grinds, but I like to make alts once in a while.

I don't enjoy the process of leveling up, I enjoy theorizing the build and trying out new gameplay, in the content I reached (endgame) with like-minded individuals (guild), so I do the grind.

I despise questing, I don't think the quests in this game a well made (I've enjoyed questing in other games, just not this one), I've done all the possible quests with my main, and know most of them by heart, since I do them again for SP with my alts, it's just something that doesn't interests me, all I'm interested in is the endgame group content.

Having that content gated behind grinds doesn't appeal to me.

I understand your point, I just don't agree with it.

RobDaCool · December 2018

I'll have to say no!

Not everyone can play 22 hours a day man.

Gythral · December 2018

Hell No!
Why add grind onto grind when that is the exact opposite of what is needed

If you want Darksiders Online go pester them, not ZOS!

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · December 2018

It would most likely be the death of the game.

Edziu · December 2018

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Thlepse wrote: »

Simply don't allocate them before you reach lvl 50 if you want things to be more challenging.

no thank you, this will feel me I handicapped myself by doing it among other players as I know how it look in overall

So you would rather handicap everyone, rather than challenging yourself?

well this I would not name handicapp everyone but balance them to every new character and player with it going with this meaning for many other casuals and RP's

Edziu · December 2018

RobDaCool wrote: »

I'll have to say no!

Not everyone can play 22 hours a day man.

well I also dont have full day play with it but hey! this would be also great balance for people hoping from meta to meta, they will be stuck for longer at single better character instead of creating meta and then saying class "x" is worst and unplayable for something content and clas "Y" and is BiS and if you dont have if then gtfo!
this could great fix to situations like this as many people will have open eyes not everyone will want to switch meta every patch

preevious · December 2018

oh my ...
That's probably one of the worst idea I've ever laid eyes on, since the game lauched.

It's not just wrong, it's fractally wrong.
As someone who had lots of trouble raising a single char to cp550, I shudder to think I'd have to do it again if it was implemented. It would mean no mre characters for most players.

AlnilamE · December 2018

therift wrote: »

Is this a spite thread?

Yes, it is.

OP: CP was designed to be an account-wide progression. Other things were not.

So instead of having CP character bound, just remove them altogether and bring back the old V16 cap per character.

The only thing I insist on is that we unlock Master Gatherer when a character gets to level 50.

Edziu · December 2018

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

It would most likely be the death of the game.

why do you think that?
for many dead of this game was when jsut CP was released, for many others game died when CP cap was not stopped around 500-600 and went higher and still is going higher, for others dead to this game was with 1 tamriel or with tamriel unlimited

here we can say this game will not die by this but will get just another stage of playing

Hoolielulu · December 2018

In no way, shape or form would I ever do that grind again.