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It is time to nerf Stamblades and other things

  • BlackMadara
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    technohic wrote: »
    Feanor wrote: »
    NB need cloak to function well. It is class defining.

    I just find it funny that this is never an argument when it comes to other classes and nerfs to their class defining abilities...

    I'm sitting here trying to think what really is what as far as class identity. A lot of things that were dont seem to be much or at least I cant pinpoint them from several other things that have come and gone.

    Templar as an example. Is it BOL/ HTD ? Or is it the ability to cleanse 5 in stead of 2 effects a little cheaper but not as effective on groups dur to requiring a synergy with cooldowns. Blazing shield is rarely seen. RD seems to tell you what type of Templar rather than templar. Jabs and sweeps some templars dont even use.

    Other classes seem about the same. Guess their identity is in a total package while NB puts it all in cloak, although they do have more tools to be elusive such as shadow image although it is super buggy again, and good single target burst from several abilities.

    IMO class Identities go as such:

    DK - Brawling, in your face, control class. They have bonuses that promote melee combat, healing in combat, and a variety of melee range CC's (less so for stamDK)

    Temp - Healing. Powerful heals, and cleanse to ensure those heals stick

    Sorc - Mobile, ranged DD. Have tools to kite, and set up stackable burst from range (mag) or easier access to higher mobility (stam)

    NB - stealth and assassination. Most of their kit and passives lend to stealth gameplay. Mag has the added "blood mage" possibility, although that was nerfed rather harshly.

    Warden - A lot of stuff. Do not know as much about Wardens, but their healing is high, control is decent, and damage is effective. I guess they can be a jack of all trades kinda thing with an ice motif.
  • CyrusArya
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    Time for people to get good and stop begging for nerfs on the forums.
    IMO class Identities go as such:

    DK - Brawling, in your face, control class. They have bonuses that promote melee combat, healing in combat, and a variety of melee range CC's (less so for stamDK)

    Temp - Healing. Powerful heals, and cleanse to ensure those heals stick

    Sorc - Mobile, ranged DD. Have tools to kite, and set up stackable burst from range (mag) or easier access to higher mobility (stam)

    NB - stealth and assassination. Most of their kit and passives lend to stealth gameplay. Mag has the added "blood mage" possibility, although that was nerfed rather harshly.

    Warden - A lot of stuff. Do not know as much about Wardens, but their healing is high, control is decent, and damage is effective. I guess they can be a jack of all trades kinda thing with an ice motif.

    Stamplar, as the healing class, has the weakest heals of any stamina specs. Makes sense and confirms how other classes have largely had their identity stripped.
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  • idk
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    LOL. Why do some people seem to want to nerf instead of improving and overcoming.

    First thing OP says is about sneak. Heck, I kept a magNB out of stealth recently and killed him. We have tools for such things.

    It just goes to show some just find it easier to call for nerfs than to actually use what we have been given to overcome.

    I did not read past that first part since it was clear where the OP was coming from.
  • cbritomiranda
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    I think if you have a class that can kill a group of players, alone, in a multiplayer content like cyrodiil: yes, they need a nerf, or the others classes need a severe improvement. Stamblades are the only class can do it with no dificulty, the mechanic of Stamblade make then a killing machine.

    STAMBLADE BUILD ||MURKMIRE|| - thats a example

    this is not an isolated case, he are not destroying only zerg, I'm not talking about my character killing a group of players with no dificulty, this is the current reality of the game.

    In PvP content, bad players are bad with any class. Medium players are medium with any class, but excel with a Stamblade, and good players are truly unstopable with a Stamblade, if he see you, he kill you, and your group.

    Edited by cbritomiranda on November 28, 2018 8:21PM
    Arielle Pendragon [] High Elf - Sorcerer [DD]
    Ataena Zastee [] Khajiit - Nightblade [DD]
    Marie Pendragon [] Breton - Nightblade [DD]
    Angeline Pendragon [] Breton - Templar [Healer]
    Freyja Stone-Singer [] Nord - Dragonknight [Tanker]
    Raelys the Flame [] High Elf - Dragonknight [Healer]
    Anne-Marie Pendragon [] Breton - Warden [Healer]
    Fairynn Frost-Moon [] Nord - Warden [Tanker]
    Asrin the Wise [] Khajiit - Sorcerer [DD]
  • CyberSkooma
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    I think if you have a class that can kill a group of players, alone, in a multiplayer content like cyrodiil: yes, they need a nerf, or the others classes need a severe improvement. Stamblades are the only class can do it with no dificulty, the mechanic of Stamblade make then a killing machine.

    STAMBLADE BUILD ||MURKMIRE|| - thats a example

    this is not an isolated case, he are not destroying only zerg, I'm not talking about my character killing a group of players with no dificulty, this is the current reality of the game.

    In PvP content, bad players are bad with any class. Medium players are medium with any class, but excel with a Stamblade, and good players are truly unstopable with a Stamblade, if he see you, he kill you, and your group.

    I have only watched the first encounter of the video. All the player he was up against were horrible, and one of them was level 28. What is this supposed to prove?

    If you excel, on any class, you're going to kick everyone's ass. This is not unique to stamblade.
    I play a half-assed Dunmer StamDK in PvP and I have identical encounters to what was showed in the video. There's a difference between excelling and going up against players that don't know what they're doing.
    I play this game a little bit I guess
  • Hochstapler
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    Edited by Hochstapler on November 28, 2018 8:36PM
    I care about your gaming "problems" and teenage anxieties, just not today.
  • cbritomiranda
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    I think if you have a class that can kill a group of players, alone, in a multiplayer content like cyrodiil: yes, they need a nerf, or the others classes need a severe improvement. Stamblades are the only class can do it with no dificulty, the mechanic of Stamblade make then a killing machine.

    STAMBLADE BUILD ||MURKMIRE|| - thats a example

    this is not an isolated case, he are not destroying only zerg, I'm not talking about my character killing a group of players with no dificulty, this is the current reality of the game.

    In PvP content, bad players are bad with any class. Medium players are medium with any class, but excel with a Stamblade, and good players are truly unstopable with a Stamblade, if he see you, he kill you, and your group.
    I think if you have a class that can kill a group of players, alone, in a multiplayer content like cyrodiil: yes, they need a nerf, or the others classes need a severe improvement. Stamblades are the only class can do it with no dificulty, the mechanic of Stamblade make then a killing machine.

    STAMBLADE BUILD ||MURKMIRE|| - thats a example

    this is not an isolated case, he are not destroying only zerg, I'm not talking about my character killing a group of players with no dificulty, this is the current reality of the game.

    In PvP content, bad players are bad with any class. Medium players are medium with any class, but excel with a Stamblade, and good players are truly unstopable with a Stamblade, if he see you, he kill you, and your group.

    I have only watched the first encounter of the video. All the player he was up against were horrible, and one of them was level 28. What is this supposed to prove?

    If you excel, on any class, you're going to kick everyone's ass. This is not unique to stamblade.
    I play a half-assed Dunmer StamDK in PvP and I have identical encounters to what was showed in the video. There's a difference between excelling and going up against players that don't know what they're doing.

    I'm not here to engage in a "forum discussion" with other user, or mess with the "class of the heart" of other players, only to express my opinion on the current state of the game

    examples are not lacking, and I'm see this everyday in cyrodiil (I'm a healer Main), those videos is only to express my impression of Stamblades

    ESO Stamina Nightblade 1vX
    Stamina Nightblade 1vX/Outnumbered
    Stamina Nightblade 1vX (I'm Back!)
    Stamblade 1vX - Murkmire Patch day 3
    Grim in Murkmire - Open World Stamblade 1vX
    etc, etc, etc... No other class is to easy make it except as Stamblade

    DK are powerfull too, but not as much as stamblades. it's strong damage output added with vigor and dodge, make then unstopable. Like I said, bad players are bad with any class, medium players are medium with any class, but excels with a nightblade, as good players are good with any class, but are god-like as Stamblade. My view is: nightblades are a differentiated class in the game, especially in terms of power

    I stop it now, like I said, I'm not here for forum discussion.

    Sorry for anything and have a nice day.
    Edited by cbritomiranda on November 28, 2018 9:42PM
    Arielle Pendragon [] High Elf - Sorcerer [DD]
    Ataena Zastee [] Khajiit - Nightblade [DD]
    Marie Pendragon [] Breton - Nightblade [DD]
    Angeline Pendragon [] Breton - Templar [Healer]
    Freyja Stone-Singer [] Nord - Dragonknight [Tanker]
    Raelys the Flame [] High Elf - Dragonknight [Healer]
    Anne-Marie Pendragon [] Breton - Warden [Healer]
    Fairynn Frost-Moon [] Nord - Warden [Tanker]
    Asrin the Wise [] Khajiit - Sorcerer [DD]
  • Zelos
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    Illuvatarr wrote: »
    Stamblades-The class is too strong in every way and the prevalence of people playing the class is ruining your game. I counted 15 stamblades today in between Nikel and Roe out of a total of 25 or so AD players.

    1) Sneak should not be useable but once in combat and that is to escape. When someone goes into sneak/vanishes, projectiles currently in transit should hit them and not miss. It is pure cheese balancing. My understanding is the combat lead plays a stamblade, correct? I don't think he would balance based upon his personal preference but he might balance based upon failing to see how other classes function vis a vis this class. He might also be interested in leaving his mark on the game. This should be examined for balance.
    2) Bow should be re-evaluated. It is currently the strongest ranged skill set in game and it gives an unfair advantage to stamina classes. A big part of this in the case of stamblades is the ability to snipe from stealth and then immediately re-enter stealth. Giving the primary melee stat the best ranged attacks as well as best ranged attacks is not serving your underlying mission of balancing the game.
    3) Stamblade damage should be looked at. I have 30k physical resist on my toon and opening salvos from stamblades normally bring this down to 20 percent before I can react (through damage shields mind you). I imagine they are one shotting most other players. If the intent is for them to have the highest burst damage in game, understood. However, there should be a price for this level of damage output and it should be decreased survivability (like everyone else in game).
    4) The class currently has two forms of binary damage mitigation. Sneak and Dodge, which can be used effectively an infinite number of times in combat if specced correctly. It is pure cheese balancing. No other class has close to this level of survivability. A good way to balance this is point one above and to limit the number of attacks that can be dodged with any one given dodge.

    Mag Sorcs-

    1) Overload light attacks should not be reflectable. Its an ultimate.

    My post for the day.

    The only survivability on stamblade is invisibility and dodge. Stamblades rely on taking no dmg to survive, we have no healing buffs in the kit what so ever. No major mending or minor, cloak was a makeshift way to get major mending by all healing crits. You are tackling a whole class becuase of 1 playstyle that is being used. Fix ganking and 80% of nightblades will disappear. Dont butcher a class to fulfill your needs, ganking is the problem. Any class can spam roll dodge in medium armor and even run invisible pots, it's not rocket science:)
    Snipe is unbelievably broken still its pretty much a ranged incap at this point dealing 12 to 14k crits and applying major defile and can be spammed in the back of a group? That's broken and it got moved to the first skill that's unlocked. I sense there is some real idiots at Zenimax HQ, yet still no balance for snipe still overpowered and broke dealing more ranged damage then 90% if ultimates.
    Edited by Zelos on November 29, 2018 2:35AM
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  • Joxer61
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    Just NO....with any sort of "nerf" requests. I mean are you serious? Nothing needs nerfed...only thing that would be a nice "fix" is bumping up the dmage/health of dungeons Bosses, make them less a cake-walk. But nerfs.....f off with that talk please.
  • D0PAMINE
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    Nightblades are quite balenced. Other classes need buffs, some more than others. NB's used to be reguarded as trash not too long ago, and they can be quite tough to get used to.
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    Kanar wrote: »
    Also nerf cloak, it's garbage gameplay. Cloak gameplay is not fun; just nerf it into Oblivion or remove it from game, and give NBs something else.

    I use caltrops or ash cloud and it works fine. Im trash in pvp too still use a sDK ult gen build. Its hilarious using a stealth pot then crouching to lure them out then unleashing a burst than leaping right before they stealth again. A fair amount of my friends test cheese builds on me, like the old sloads,bleeds crap, or the Ravager, Seventh, Kena Werewolf light attack build. Cloak is the easy thing to counter, and it used to be way worse than it is now.
    Edited by D0PAMINE on November 29, 2018 9:13AM
  • Gnozo
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    First of all, I play every class in this game. Not only sorc or Nightblade or dk....

    Just to throw in some numbers. Following stats:

    24k Hp
    36k stam
    13k magicka

    3k stam recover,
    900 health recovery
    1100 magicka recovery

    6k weapon damage
    6k Phys Penetration

    20k phys and spell resist
    3k crit resist.

    Tooltips:
    Surprise attack: 16.9k
    Relentless Focus: 31k

    So, 17k tooltip on a class spammable and 31k tooltip on a skill wich requires 4 light attacks and a Bit of stamina and additionaly gives a really strong buff ( minor beserk).

    Thats crazy damage with high sustain and still can take decent damage. No other class can get this type of damage/sustain.

    Resetting dodge cooldown with cloak, charging bow heavy attack in stealth for stamina and more.

    Now just comparing a nightblade in a 1v1 vs a magicka sorc, what most ppl most likely do.

    Sorcs burst needs to be build and alingend perfectly to be efficent. So first:

    Curse, meteor, flame reach or rune cage, spammable, frag, execute and more. A nightblades defense relies on cloak and dodge. What damage from sorc can be dodged?

    Frag, reach, pulse, fury (both initial hit and the explosion), rune cage... no pretty hard to hit a decent Nightblade who knows what to do....

    Nightblade can just avoid most of the sorcs damage and wait for him being low in ressource. Then its easy. Draining shot into ambush with incap, surprise attack and execute. The sorc is dead before he can even break the buggy cc from draining shot.

    Personally i think the damage from stamblades are way to high..... on my trolltank with 37k resist and 3k crit resist i get 7k surprise attacks....

    I dont feel nightblades are in any way of being balanced....
  • ZarkingFrued
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    DELETE SNIPE. SNIPE IS AN ABSOLUTELY GAME BREAKING EXPERIENCE. ALSO IF I CANNOT ROLL DODGE A PROJECTILE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN FIRED, THEN WHY CAN A NIGHTBLADE CLOAK IT? THE ONLY PLAYERS WHO SUPPORT SNIPE ARE THE ONES WHO ABUSE IT VIA HIDING AND SPAMMING IT ON PLAYERS ALREADY IN FIGHTS.
  • ZarkingFrued
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    D0PAMINE wrote: »
    Nightblades are quite balenced. Other classes need buffs, some more than others. NB's used to be reguarded as trash not too long ago, and they can be quite tough to get used to.

    What are you talking about? Nightblade has been God since the game dropped. I love how you say Nightblade is balanced. First you deny that NB is OP, then say other classes need buffs to be in line with it. What planet are you from?
  • ZarkingFrued
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    idk wrote: »
    LOL. Why do some people seem to want to nerf instead of improving and overcoming.

    First thing OP says is about sneak. Heck, I kept a magNB out of stealth recently and killed him. We have tools for such things.

    It just goes to show some just find it easier to call for nerfs than to actually use what we have been given to overcome.

    I did not read past that first part since it was clear where the OP was coming from.

    Personally I generally dont enjoy nerfs in game. That's why rather than nerf snipe, I say delete it entirely. It should have never existed to start with.
  • JobooAGS
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    Gnozo wrote: »
    First of all, I play every class in this game. Not only sorc or Nightblade or dk....

    Just to throw in some numbers. Following stats:

    24k Hp
    36k stam
    13k magicka

    3k stam recover,
    900 health recovery
    1100 magicka recovery

    6k weapon damage
    6k Phys Penetration

    20k phys and spell resist
    3k crit resist.

    Tooltips:
    Surprise attack: 16.9k
    Relentless Focus: 31k

    So, 17k tooltip on a class spammable and 31k tooltip on a skill wich requires 4 light attacks and a Bit of stamina and additionaly gives a really strong buff ( minor beserk).

    Thats crazy damage with high sustain and still can take decent damage. No other class can get this type of damage/sustain.

    Resetting dodge cooldown with cloak, charging bow heavy attack in stealth for stamina and more.

    Now just comparing a nightblade in a 1v1 vs a magicka sorc, what most ppl most likely do.

    Sorcs burst needs to be build and alingend perfectly to be efficent. So first:

    Curse, meteor, flame reach or rune cage, spammable, frag, execute and more. A nightblades defense relies on cloak and dodge. What damage from sorc can be dodged?

    Frag, reach, pulse, fury (both initial hit and the explosion), rune cage... no pretty hard to hit a decent Nightblade who knows what to do....

    Nightblade can just avoid most of the sorcs damage and wait for him being low in ressource. Then its easy. Draining shot into ambush with incap, surprise attack and execute. The sorc is dead before he can even break the buggy cc from draining shot.

    Personally i think the damage from stamblades are way to high..... on my trolltank with 37k resist and 3k crit resist i get 7k surprise attacks....

    I dont feel nightblades are in any way of being balanced....

    What are your sets? Bar set ups?
  • Stigant
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    First of all, I play every class in this game. Not only sorc or Nightblade or dk....

    Just to throw in some numbers. Following stats:

    24k Hp
    36k stam
    13k magicka

    3k stam recover,
    900 health recovery
    1100 magicka recovery

    6k weapon damage
    6k Phys Penetration

    20k phys and spell resist
    3k crit resist.

    Tooltips:
    Surprise attack: 16.9k
    Relentless Focus: 31k

    So, 17k tooltip on a class spammable and 31k tooltip on a skill wich requires 4 light attacks and a Bit of stamina and additionaly gives a really strong buff ( minor beserk).

    Thats crazy damage with high sustain and still can take decent damage. No other class can get this type of damage/sustain.

    Resetting dodge cooldown with cloak, charging bow heavy attack in stealth for stamina and more.

    Now just comparing a nightblade in a 1v1 vs a magicka sorc, what most ppl most likely do.

    Sorcs burst needs to be build and alingend perfectly to be efficent. So first:

    Curse, meteor, flame reach or rune cage, spammable, frag, execute and more. A nightblades defense relies on cloak and dodge. What damage from sorc can be dodged?

    Frag, reach, pulse, fury (both initial hit and the explosion), rune cage... no pretty hard to hit a decent Nightblade who knows what to do....

    Nightblade can just avoid most of the sorcs damage and wait for him being low in ressource. Then its easy. Draining shot into ambush with incap, surprise attack and execute. The sorc is dead before he can even break the buggy cc from draining shot.

    Personally i think the damage from stamblades are way to high..... on my trolltank with 37k resist and 3k crit resist i get 7k surprise attacks....

    I dont feel nightblades are in any way of being balanced....

    What are your sets? Bar set ups?

    Those numbers seem quite unbelievably impressive ... but that maybe because I only PvP in nonCP enviroment.
  • Colecovision
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    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?
  • Gnozo
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    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

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    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

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    Major defile included in combo on top of that.
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  • JobooAGS
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    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

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    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

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    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes
  • Gnozo
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

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    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

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    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    And show me how you get 17k Ransack Tooltip for Classes like StamDK or StamSorc. Or Stamplar with Jabs (wich doesnt provide major fracture).

    Nightblade damage is just broken.
    Edited by Gnozo on November 29, 2018 5:15PM
  • JobooAGS
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    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

    image0.png
    image0.png
    image0.png

    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?
  • Gnozo
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

    image0.png
    image0.png
    image0.png

    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?

    No Dawnbreaker front, just normal setup tho.

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    Replace Siph Attacks with Poison Injecton
    Edited by Gnozo on November 29, 2018 5:18PM
  • JobooAGS
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    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

    image0.png
    image0.png
    image0.png

    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?

    No Dawnbreaker front, just normal setup tho.

    2PZbRyw.png

    Replace Siph Attacks with Poison Injecton

    No poison injection but master bow??
    Edit didnt see bottom
    Edited by JobooAGS on November 29, 2018 5:19PM
  • JobooAGS
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    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

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    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?

    No Dawnbreaker front, just normal setup tho.

    2PZbRyw.png

    Replace Siph Attacks with Poison Injecton

    I run shackle, bloodspawn, spriggans with master bow, but I moved leeching to front bar and dont use executioner
  • JobooAGS
    JobooAGS
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    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

    image0.png
    image0.png
    image0.png

    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?

    No Dawnbreaker front, just normal setup tho.

    2PZbRyw.png

    Replace Siph Attacks with Poison Injecton

    Infused 2h?
  • Gnozo
    Gnozo
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

    image0.png
    image0.png
    image0.png

    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?

    No Dawnbreaker front, just normal setup tho.

    2PZbRyw.png

    Replace Siph Attacks with Poison Injecton

    Infused 2h?

    Nirn 2h but Infused Bow with Weapon Damage Enchant
  • JobooAGS
    JobooAGS
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    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

    image0.png
    image0.png
    image0.png

    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?

    No Dawnbreaker front, just normal setup tho.

    2PZbRyw.png

    Replace Siph Attacks with Poison Injecton

    Infused 2h?

    Nirn 2h but Infused Bow with Weapon Damage Enchant

    6k weapon damage and 36k stam is obtainable by all classes and more as dk has minor brutality (10%) sorc has 2% per sorc ability templar has 6% more than nb except for for 1 attack from stealth at which nb is equal to dk. So the issue is initial tooltips
    Edit sorc can also have 8% more stam and has 5% more physical damage
    Edited by JobooAGS on November 29, 2018 5:38PM
  • Gnozo
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Gnozo wrote: »
    @Gnozo

    What's your gear? What conditions apply to get those numbers? Is that effective weapon damage or actual? Also, what race?

    Actually i am not allowed to go into any detail but basic sets are: Shackle, Truth and Master bow.

    And these stats are fully fully buffed.

    image0.png
    image0.png
    image0.png

    You can drop some damage for some more cancer by also using Trollking:

    0GUcshy.png


    Group buffs? If so Im sure you can achieve similar numbers on other classes

    No group buffs. Self buffed.

    Dawnbreaker front bar? How many fighters guild?

    No Dawnbreaker front, just normal setup tho.

    2PZbRyw.png

    Replace Siph Attacks with Poison Injecton

    Infused 2h?

    Nirn 2h but Infused Bow with Weapon Damage Enchant

    6k weapon damage and 36k stam is obtainable by all classes and more as dk has minor brutality (10%) sorc has 2% per sorc ability templar has 6% more than nb except for for 1 attack from stealth at which nb is equal to dk. So the issue is initial tooltips
    Edit sorc can also have 8% more stam and has 5% more physical damage

    Sure they can obtain 6k weapon damage and 36k stam. Maybe even more they dont have the Tools to make proper use of it.

    No class could get similiar Recovery like what i showed you, even tho if they could they are still missing strong tools like Cloak/Shadow Image and Major Defile Build into their Ultimate. Or an unblockable CC like fear wich also brings minor main on the Enemy if the Shadow havent already applied it.

    They cant get minor berserk this easy like nightblade or get a garantued crit heal/damage like nb does with cloak.

    Nightblade just performs better at everything and is still top 1 in pvp.
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