Does anyone even play melee Magblade anymore? I haven't seen one in...I don't even know how long.
Uh can I get your magblade build?Every buff post ever.
Hi, I'm X class. We suk. Please take away all weaknesses from my class. Please don't allow counterplay. No I don't recognize that my class is actually strong.
Care to explain to me what about sorc is particularly strong in the current patch - outside of running away (but nb is better at that too if we ignore shade bug).
Nightblades can only “run away” to places they’ve already been. This means that in a BG or openworld, when fighting outnumbered, their escape mechanic isn’t terribly strong because they’ll just go back into the middle of a fight. It’s only strong when fighting 1 or 2 people, or if the stamblade has allies around to kite behind.
Sorc is now the most mobile class in the game.
Actually I think that magNB has much better chances of escaping an angry small scale group compared to magsorc and reseting a fight. If they sit on you - just fear, shade and cloak. If they all stay on shade - just cloak away. If they split with someone camping you shade - just try to put a new one, or port to it, CC camping dude and cloak.
In the meantime if angry small scale group wants to kill a magsorc, they will follow him and kill, and I don't see another scenario except they stop chasing him from boredom.
You realize if you have fear shade and cloak on your bar you’re going to be missing a ton of necessary skills.
- 5 necropotence, 2 bloodspawn, 5 bright throat
- mage mundus
- witch mother's food
- all arcane rings/nec, 2 spell dmg, 1 mag recovery
- defending back bar, nirn/infused front
- ass will, SS, cripple, cloak, clench, incap/soul harvest front bar
- flex, flex, dampen ward, healing ward, shade, resto ult back bar.
on the 2 flex spot I run either siphoning attacks, mutagen, double take, fear, concealed weapon, (last one goes to the front bar, cripple goes to the back bar)
The only problem with this build is telegraphed state of ass will, but well, at least you have non-telegraphed clench (chose one with short range).
And no, what necessary skills am I missing?
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stDMD--5wM
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stDMD--5wM
NoCP I hope! Otherwise your sustain, max mag and shield strength are pitiful..
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stDMD--5wM
NoCP I hope! Otherwise your sustain, max mag and shield strength are pitiful..
Yeah that’s no cp.
But my shield strength is fine. The days of measuring shieldstrength purely by size of the shield are no more. That trans, bloodspawn and 1x protective means I get more from a 7k shield than many people get from a 10k shield.
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
You're tanky, and that's about it (and even then you almost died twice). You're spending half your time OOM not doing anything but staff LA or HA, and you have to wait for a pot to come off CD because you need the 17k stam for mobility's sake. And you're not killing anything on your own. If that's your idea of a fun way to play Sorc, more power to you. It's not what most people will have in mind though when they think of a ranged damage dealing caster.
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
You're tanky, and that's about it (and even then you almost died twice). You're spending half your time OOM not doing anything but staff LA or HA, and you have to wait for a pot to come off CD because you need the 17k stam for mobility's sake. And you're not killing anything on your own. If that's your idea of a fun way to play Sorc, more power to you. It's not what most people will have in mind though when they think of a ranged damage dealing caster.
Eh... no class can get away with 2 5pc offensive sets without wearing heavy armor and still expect to small scale without a dedicated healer.
I also think this is the first time I’ve been accused of heavy attacking too much.. so thanks?
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
You're tanky, and that's about it (and even then you almost died twice). You're spending half your time OOM not doing anything but staff LA or HA, and you have to wait for a pot to come off CD because you need the 17k stam for mobility's sake. And you're not killing anything on your own. If that's your idea of a fun way to play Sorc, more power to you. It's not what most people will have in mind though when they think of a ranged damage dealing caster.
Eh... no class can get away with 2 5pc offensive sets without wearing heavy armor and still expect to small scale without a dedicated healer.
I also think this is the first time I’ve been accused of heavy attacking too much.. so thanks?
I’m not criticizing your build or your choices. My point is that people are selling this as fun gameplay and Sorc being “strong” still.
Emma_Overload wrote: »Stats aren't the problem.
The magblade has much better heals, pressure and sustain. Here's what Sorcs need:
1) A HoT that keeps us alive long enough to make our complicated burst connect. Like a Magicka Vigor. Yeah, you heard me.
2) Overload needs to be UNREFLECTABLE... it's a frigging ultimate! This will help us pressure even DKs.
3) The targeting issues with Frags need to be fixed so that we can actually hit melee builds.
4) We could really use a decent DoT to add pressure and proc Skoria.
5) We need SOMETHING to help with sustain... more cost reduction maybe? Could the pets feed us resources like Engine Guardian?
Stats are the problem. The amount of dmg, sustain and surviavibilty coming from those I listed is incredible. In order to achieve the same efficiency on sorc, I’ll have to give up 10/10 skill slots just for utility skills, which is inaccaptable.
Btw, you have magickamagicka vigor, it’s rapid regen, but wait, you don’t have a skill slot for it. You also won’t have a skill slot for a dot, boundless storm (if you want to run scoria 8nstead of resist set) or a sustain pet.
Btw you also have a great sustain tool, dark deal, but it is also hard to fit in your bars.
P.S. on my magblade I sometimes run double take just for an invasion buff against stamdens, lol. Can you imagine running it on magsorc, if you got the same skill?
CleymenZero wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Stats aren't the problem.
The magblade has much better heals, pressure and sustain. Here's what Sorcs need:
1) A HoT that keeps us alive long enough to make our complicated burst connect. Like a Magicka Vigor. Yeah, you heard me.
2) Overload needs to be UNREFLECTABLE... it's a frigging ultimate! This will help us pressure even DKs.
3) The targeting issues with Frags need to be fixed so that we can actually hit melee builds.
4) We could really use a decent DoT to add pressure and proc Skoria.
5) We need SOMETHING to help with sustain... more cost reduction maybe? Could the pets feed us resources like Engine Guardian?
Stats are the problem. The amount of dmg, sustain and surviavibilty coming from those I listed is incredible. In order to achieve the same efficiency on sorc, I’ll have to give up 10/10 skill slots just for utility skills, which is inaccaptable.
Btw, you have magickamagicka vigor, it’s rapid regen, but wait, you don’t have a skill slot for it. You also won’t have a skill slot for a dot, boundless storm (if you want to run scoria 8nstead of resist set) or a sustain pet.
Btw you also have a great sustain tool, dark deal, but it is also hard to fit in your bars.
P.S. on my magblade I sometimes run double take just for an invasion buff against stamdens, lol. Can you imagine running it on magsorc, if you got the same skill?
Dark deal <<<<<<< Dark Conversion
A stam getting rid of magicka to get stam is way more survivable than a magicka getting rid of stam. It directly and drastically reduces your chances of survival since you have to get rid of your CC break resource to gain your main resource. The skill is not useful at all in pvp unless you use it between fights and not during an escape from 2-3 stams for example.
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
You're tanky, and that's about it (and even then you almost died twice). You're spending half your time OOM not doing anything but staff LA or HA, and you have to wait for a pot to come off CD because you need the 17k stam for mobility's sake. And you're not killing anything on your own. If that's your idea of a fun way to play Sorc, more power to you. It's not what most people will have in mind though when they think of a ranged damage dealing caster.
Eh... no class can get away with 2 5pc offensive sets without wearing heavy armor and still expect to small scale without a dedicated healer.
I also think this is the first time I’ve been accused of heavy attacking too much.. so thanks?
I’m not criticizing your build or your choices. My point is that people are selling this as fun gameplay and Sorc being “strong” still.
Just wanted to say that I have just bought spell strategist inferno staff, paired it with bloodspawn and bright throat, and it really makes sorc a bit better.
I also reallocated CP in order to get unchained for dark deal, thx for an advice from some dude up there!
To be more competitive in open world 1vs1 against non-potatoes, I back bared atro instead of healing ult.
Btw, is atro moving to player now? I’m pretty sure I seen it teleporting from time to time when I go too far away from it. For example, on BG IC map, when I use teleports in the center. But this behavior seems not to be regular, and I can’t figure it’s conditions yet. Hope anyone helps?
Bright Throat?Just wanted to say that I have just bought spell strategist inferno staff, paired it with bloodspawn and bright throat, and it really makes sorc a bit better.
I also reallocated CP in order to get unchained for dark deal, thx for an advice from some dude up there!
To be more competitive in open world 1vs1 against non-potatoes, I back bared atro instead of healing ult.
Btw, is atro moving to player now? I’m pretty sure I seen it teleporting from time to time when I go too far away from it. For example, on BG IC map, when I use teleports in the center. But this behavior seems not to be regular, and I can’t figure it’s conditions yet. Hope anyone helps?
Sustain?
Bright Throat?Just wanted to say that I have just bought spell strategist inferno staff, paired it with bloodspawn and bright throat, and it really makes sorc a bit better.
I also reallocated CP in order to get unchained for dark deal, thx for an advice from some dude up there!
To be more competitive in open world 1vs1 against non-potatoes, I back bared atro instead of healing ult.
Btw, is atro moving to player now? I’m pretty sure I seen it teleporting from time to time when I go too far away from it. For example, on BG IC map, when I use teleports in the center. But this behavior seems not to be regular, and I can’t figure it’s conditions yet. Hope anyone helps?
Sustain?
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
You're tanky, and that's about it (and even then you almost died twice). You're spending half your time OOM not doing anything but staff LA or HA, and you have to wait for a pot to come off CD because you need the 17k stam for mobility's sake. And you're not killing anything on your own. If that's your idea of a fun way to play Sorc, more power to you. It's not what most people will have in mind though when they think of a ranged damage dealing caster.
Eh... no class can get away with 2 5pc offensive sets without wearing heavy armor and still expect to small scale without a dedicated healer.
I also think this is the first time I’ve been accused of heavy attacking too much.. so thanks?
Blood Spawn is often enough to cover stam sustain with tri food. I don't think Neloth ever said that Witchmother was being used. Could be dubious.Bright Throat?Just wanted to say that I have just bought spell strategist inferno staff, paired it with bloodspawn and bright throat, and it really makes sorc a bit better.
I also reallocated CP in order to get unchained for dark deal, thx for an advice from some dude up there!
To be more competitive in open world 1vs1 against non-potatoes, I back bared atro instead of healing ult.
Btw, is atro moving to player now? I’m pretty sure I seen it teleporting from time to time when I go too far away from it. For example, on BG IC map, when I use teleports in the center. But this behavior seems not to be regular, and I can’t figure it’s conditions yet. Hope anyone helps?
Sustain?
That doesn't cover stamina.
First mag sorc small scale vid is out, take a gander at what we’ve been up to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_stDMD--5wM
NoCP I hope! Otherwise your sustain, max mag and shield strength are pitiful..
Yeah that’s no cp.
But my shield strength is fine. The days of measuring shieldstrength purely by size of the shield are no more. That trans, bloodspawn and 1x protective means I get more from a 7k shield than many people get from a 10k shield.
Bright Throat?Just wanted to say that I have just bought spell strategist inferno staff, paired it with bloodspawn and bright throat, and it really makes sorc a bit better.
I also reallocated CP in order to get unchained for dark deal, thx for an advice from some dude up there!
To be more competitive in open world 1vs1 against non-potatoes, I back bared atro instead of healing ult.
Btw, is atro moving to player now? I’m pretty sure I seen it teleporting from time to time when I go too far away from it. For example, on BG IC map, when I use teleports in the center. But this behavior seems not to be regular, and I can’t figure it’s conditions yet. Hope anyone helps?
Sustain?
That doesn't cover stamina.