For PvP being a vamp doesn't make sense. The only reason people go vamp is for elusive mist to get out of cc. The reasons people dont go vamp for pvp is obvious, everyone and their mother is using Dawnbreaker, even magic builds are using it. Vamp needs a rework, you're quite literally nerfing yourself in PvP for going vamp. Needs to be addressed.

I see a lot of people talking about how the vampires look. I mean, I like how they look in their 1-3 stages. I hate looking like a crackily, scary old person.

The downside to vampire in PvP *far* outweighs the benefits -- the amount of damage taken from Dawnbreaker is just ridiculous. The fire damage is also pretty nasty, but I could still see some top players running vampire were it not for the insane amount of extra Dawnbreaker damage.

Sure, there should be some cost to vampirism in PvP, but it's basically prohibitive at this point.

The Blade of Woe / Feed synergies are annoying. Feeding should be made more fast paced and possibly actually have to feed (instead of a typical Elder Scrolls blood starved vampire. Lamae said FEED!).

Feeding should be a synergy that appears on stage 2 or higher when an enemy has a bleed effect on them. Allowing the vampire to Deal damage, set target off balance, and later acquire feeding bonuses Restore Health, Increase Stamina Recovery, Increase magic recovery . Remove the old passives.

Remove Drain. Replace with a gap closing attack that applies bleed and other bleed abilities would be nice too (ranged and melee). Illusion spells like Invisibility, Fear, and possibly Charm would be welcome.

Perhaps they should do less damage with dawnbreaker.

Increased ice resistance / decreased fire resistance

Vampire should feel powerful but also a bit a burden. They should have to feed to get power. Starving should just cause Health recovery reduction.

Vampires would use their skills more their stages would advance faster they feed and they get rewarded with their passives.

For vampires Please More active abilities. Even if they are more so utility. There are already so many combat actives I suggest giving invigorating drain a melee variation sure let it cost hp instead of magicka or even magicka but use for melee combat. Mist is fine but next 3 actives let them be something useful other than pvp. Gap opener, dot removal form maybe but that may be to op they nerfed nb cloak back in the day. but you get the point 3 more actives and add a drain melee version.

Friendly bump, please help Vampires!

I have been vampire since consol launch and most likely leader of the largest and oldest vampire guild on eu server. My vampires have no issues killing dks or standing in dawn breakers. We found a way. However this is not the case for all. That being said, to defend these things takes away options for offense.

In summary, our passives need to be refreshed to reflect todays combat situations and we would like a decent skill line.
This allows us to have the ability to maximize and customize our experience as eso vampires. A refresh is over due.

We need more combat skills! Vamp drain, mist and bat swarm aren't enough

Aside from the fangs, I'd say my top two pain points with vampires as they currently exists are:

1. Aesthetics
This is an issue that's been dragged out repeatedly since vampirism was implemented. While I do not object in general to their being a change in eye and skin tone, the handling here is visually awkward. As others have noted it makes very little sense on the face of it that the condition should wash out tattoos or makeup. The fact that some markings retain saturation and others do not exacerbates this issue.

The outward appearance of a character has no real bearing on gameplay, as such enforcing a specific aesthetic on a character in this fashion serves no inherent purpose and can be directly disruptive to certain elements in the community. Role-players may be subject to misbehavior because everyone can 'see' what they are at all times, in particular if they've taken any active steps to cover their pallor since visibly washed out makeup or tattoos act as a visual sign of vampirism.

It can't even be called lore compliant, since vampires are known throughout the canon for deftness with disguise, either as a direct benefit of their particular strain of the curse or as a necessity of survival with it. You could add some handwavium to the lore about how Lamae wants her children operating in the open, but that'd just get weird (to say nothing of even more community divisive) and you'd still have the inconsistencies in the behavior of various markings with the skins.

What I would really like to see here, ideally, are the vampiric skin shaders moved down in layer so that they no longer affect other body markings, just the base skin, and/or perhaps moved to a selectable skin slot themselves once you've 'unlocked' them by being a vampire. In a perfect world where I can have a pony, I'd like to see the eyes separated out into a toggleable selection as well, because I really like the stage-three eyes on my Bosmer, for instance, but am rarely at stage three for long.

This would also have the benefit of opening their use for others who aren't using the vampire skill tree for their build but want the aesthetics for their character. I needed Stage 3 vampirism on a character of mine for a Halloween costume thing, and I had to jump through all the hoops I'd already jumped through to get it just for the visual effect, and then pay to get rid of it after the event. The only use I got out of the powers themselves was running her down to Stage 3 in time for the event. This would have been a lot easier to accomplish if I could have just selected the relevant stage skin from collectibles while I needed it, as well as been able to stay there without needing to worry about 'topping up' over a long event with Double Bloody Maras.

2. Content
This honestly goes for lycanthropy as well. As it stands, the afflictions feel weirdly shallow and more overtly theme-parky than anything else in ESO. You go participate in a little pantomime show about how awesome it is to be a whatever, as a vampire even having a face-to-face with a character positioned as the First Vampire Ever, and then nothing else happens and you can quit any time you like. You're just turned loose into the world as is without any further guidance, purpose or requirement.

This is akin to something like...if the Dark Brotherhood handed you the Blade of Woe and then said "Hey, you're an assassin now, congratulations! If you ever get tired of slaughtering people in the Dark Father's name, just go apologize to a priest. Here's your T-Shirt, now get out." and then you never saw them again.

Lamae explicitly discusses opposing Molag Bal and Arkay, but apart from the player's role in the MSQ, you really do neither of those things. It'd be nice if you could cook up some more functionality and content/lore for the Blood Matron's crypt, and something in parity for the werewolves. Even just extending the process of the cure into something a little weightier than bribing a priest would be welcome. The cure is necessary, but it's also supposed to be a pain since both vampires and vampire hunters have historically wanted it suppressed, and in every other installment in the series where you could become a vampire and then get cured, the process was more involved, dangerous and costly than 'throw gold at the god who wept for knowing he would never rid the world of vampirism'.

The fact that it's the same guy for both afflictions just makes the whole thing so much sketchier.

As it stands, the afflictions are powerful skill lines attached to incredibly shallow content, and that's really unfortunate.

Anywho, hope that was constructive and if you read it, thanks for your time! Despite my myriad complaints about this and other issues, I am rather fond of ESO and ZOS. Please keep up the good work, and don't let the more vehemently venomous voices get you down.

Geru77 wrote: »

1) Do not let us hide vampirism, if anything there needs to be more downsides to the passive boosts vamps get.

2) Do not reduce flame damage vulnerability, again getting the considerable vamp passives should be a HARD CHOICE, currently there just aren't enough downsides to being a vamp.

People complaining about excessive flame damage and visuals want all the benefits without any drawbacks, (which it already has tbh...I mean undeath? Really?. Stay strong Devs and don't give in to the whinners.

People mainly use vamp for the extra regen. Besides I can already hide vamp.I just have to use a skin that makes me look even more like a freak.

MehrunesFlagon wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

Give vampires a house, DLC and a polymorph pLEASE!

Werewolves get all that, why not show vampires some appreciation for once?

If we get vamp polymorphs before being able to hide it.I'm going to be very disappointed.

Those wants are very shallow to even begin with

Just got 1 Painpoint and that is that Vamp Only has 2 Skills +1 Ult ^^

Tawrich wrote: »

1) Appearance. Now, I do very much like the appearance of 1st stage, and to a lesser extent 2nd stage but the thing is for PVP I'm almost always stage 4. And no, even though the blackmarrow necromancer skin hides vampirism, its not a solution if you actually WANT to look like a vampire, just not an ugly one.

Its not like TES always had ugly vampires so being ugly is part of the lore, Skyrim: dawnguard was pretty good in that department.

2) Lack of an actually useful drain ability, its a vampire after all. Id love to play any class and have access to a drain playstyle if I become a vampire, especially in the form of that drain ability being a spammable (something similar to the strife ability of nightblades). The drain ability is out classed by so many other abilities especially when it comes to PVP. At best its a very clunky stun that forces a stun on you as well. The ultimate also is totally outclassed by resto ultimate or shield ultimate IMO. In a game like ESO where you have limited bar space, it is very important NOT to have some abilities be outclassed by others because it means they will never get used, as if they aren't even in the game.

The problem is that Vampirism is the top layer of everything. If it was the base layer so that all the other things I can do to make my character my own all showed up over the paste white, blood vessels showing skin. Well that would be something to work with.
- Wood Elf Black Eyes, shouldn't be the same white/red as everyone else. It should be a the vampire effect applied to the black.
- Tattoo, should show up the same they are literally your skin died
You almost get the right effects on Argonian/Khajit when there starting skin color is super dark, I honestly think ZoS could just fix it by turning up the transparency of the vampire skin in the coding, by something like 25-50% from its current value.

XomRhoK wrote: »

In my opinion, being a vampire must change your playstyle, so you choose to be a vampire because you like new playstyle or you like aesthetic, like with werewolfs now, and not because of free passives or OP skill.
As i see it, the playstyle must be around feeding, both in combat and outside of it. Maybe add some additional resource for vampire skils thats connected with feeding and shows as rising bar inside skills icon, like with ultimate now, or connect all vampire skills to ultimate, exept skills will not reset this bar to nil. And in fight with drain skill or with feeding vampire will must accumulate this resource to use skills, or these skills be more powerful (to prevent total inability to use skills if out of this additional resource).
Ofcause it must be full set of active skills for vampire.
And i definitely against Vampire Lord ultimate, i don't want to be forced to play as a Vampire Lord. If some one want to look like Vampire Lord from Skyrim then polymorph can be an option.

That's an interesting idea.How about changing Invigorating Drain
Invigorating Drain
Cast Time - 1.1 seconds
Target - Enemy
Range - 28 Meter
Cost - 3240 Magicka
Consume an enemy's life force dealing 2751 Magic Damage, restoring 20% of your missing health and giving you Major Heroism for 6 seconds.
NEW EFFECT
You gain Major Heroism for 6 seconds. No longer stuns the enemy on activation. Has a cast time, and is no longer channeled.

Also maybe change Accelerated Drain
Channel Time - 3 seconds
Target - Enemy
Range - 12 meters
Cost - 2700 Magicka
Consume an enemy's life force, dealing 2751 Magic Damage and restoring 20% of your missing Health every 1 second for 3 seconds.
When you activate the drain, the enemy is stunned for 3 seconds.
When the drain ends you gain decreasing effectiveness of snares applied to you by 15% for 20 seconds.
NEW EFFECT
You gain decreasing effectiveness of snares applied to you.

JimmyJuJu wrote: »

twofaced wrote: »

1) Appearance
2) Undeath is useless because this skillline suppose to be used on magicka squash characters which are usually oneshot. I see two fix posibilities: Minor protection all the time or rework the calculation to preapply 33% reduction when damage gonna reduce your health under 50% health.

I wouldn't call Undeath useless. It's quite useful on my vamplar. It gives me protection against the DoT component of Dawnbreaker and a small window to drop honor the dead. And when combined with mist form, you are virtually unkillable while you make an escape.

Its also ridiculously good on a Warden where you get Undeath and Major Mending auto proc'ing together.