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Skyshards account bound
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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I think the time spent coming up with these clever responses, you could've cleared a zone of skyshards, and probably gotten another 6 or 7 skill points (depending on if you cleared the group boss in the public dungeon)
I agree with the other poster, try not to bludgeon us. We get it.
I enjoy posting on the forums, just like I enjoy playing ESO.
But gathering Skyshards is not real gameplay. It's meaningless, mundane, boring. It's, in essence, a pointless task meant to extend the lifespan of a character because ZOS cannot fathom the idea of making higher quality time sinks.
Skyshards are not proper gameplay. They are a limiter to proper gameplay. They are a half-assed system under the guise of half-assed gameplay. Most people don't want to gather skyshards, certainly not more than once.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake8 -
tmbrinks✭✭✭✭✭
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I think the time spent coming up with these clever responses, you could've cleared a zone of skyshards, and probably gotten another 6 or 7 skill points (depending on if you cleared the group boss in the public dungeon)
I agree with the other poster, try not to bludgeon us. We get it.
I enjoy posting on the forums, just like I enjoy playing ESO.
But gathering Skyshards is not real gameplay. It's meaningless, mundane, boring. It's, in essence, a pointless task meant to extend the lifespan of a character because ZOS cannot fathom the idea of making higher quality time sinks.
Skyshards are not proper gameplay. They are a limiter to proper gameplay. They are a half-assed system under the guise of half-assed gameplay. Most people don't want to gather skyshards, certainly not more than once.
You get the skyshards from playing the game. Running the main quest line through each of the zones takes you to nearly all the skyshards. There are quests in the delves to do, that have a skyshard. It's not like you have to go out of your way to collect them. If playing the game is questing, and following the story, the skyshards are there. I honestly don't get why people are so adamant to having everything without doing a little work on it. If you approach it as just a "task" to do, that's what it'll be.
Unless you are literally doing end-game content (vet DLC trials), there is no need for you to have even more then one character, one character can do all content in the game: questing, crafting, dungeons/delves/trials (minus vet DLC). You made the choice to create a 2nd character, knowing full well that you'd need to go get the skill points and skyshards to make it viable.
As others have said, you want to play around with another character, play around with builds, go onto the PTS, you can do it all for free, with unlimited skill points, morphs, etc. All the gear you want.
The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger70,730 achievement points3 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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I think the time spent coming up with these clever responses, you could've cleared a zone of skyshards, and probably gotten another 6 or 7 skill points (depending on if you cleared the group boss in the public dungeon)
I agree with the other poster, try not to bludgeon us. We get it.
I enjoy posting on the forums, just like I enjoy playing ESO.
But gathering Skyshards is not real gameplay. It's meaningless, mundane, boring. It's, in essence, a pointless task meant to extend the lifespan of a character because ZOS cannot fathom the idea of making higher quality time sinks.
Skyshards are not proper gameplay. They are a limiter to proper gameplay. They are a half-assed system under the guise of half-assed gameplay. Most people don't want to gather skyshards, certainly not more than once.
You get the skyshards from playing the game. Running the main quest line through each of the zones takes you to nearly all the skyshards. There are quests in the delves to do, that have a skyshard. It's not like you have to go out of your way to collect them. If playing the game is questing, and following the story, the skyshards are there. I honestly don't get why people are so adamant to having everything without doing a little work on it. If you approach it as just a "task" to do, that's what it'll be.
Unless you are literally doing end-game content (vet DLC trials), there is no need for you to have even more then one character, one character can do all content in the game: questing, crafting, dungeons/delves/trials (minus vet DLC). You made the choice to create a 2nd character, knowing full well that you'd need to go get the skill points and skyshards to make it viable.
As others have said, you want to play around with another character, play around with builds, go onto the PTS, you can do it all for free, with unlimited skill points, morphs, etc. All the gear you want.
You have to go out of your way to collect Skyshards if you have no interest in quests and only want to do endgame PvE or PvP.
This is a major part of the game, one of which (PvP) was the main selling point of the game at launch. Most players care about these two things dominantly. Coincidentally, they are also the two pieces of content where you need the skill points.
To do quests, you really only need one or two skills...so why is what you need for what you want to do locked behind things basically no one wants to do (and the people that do want to do those things don't need what you want).
In short, despite questing taking up the most real estate in the game, it is not the content that most players want to do, and also does not need the majority of the skill points in the game dedicated to it.Edited by Valrien on November 12, 2018 5:58PMValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
Vuron✭✭✭✭✭I don't know why a lot of you are saying no to this.
I'll give one reason that I haven't seen mentioned. One of the main reasons for the "grind" is so that people learn how to play their characters. One guy mentioned above that he's played the same character for 3 years and wants to start a new one, but with everything already unlocked.
I would be the unlucky sap that got stuck with this guy in a vet dungeon. Even though he might be max CP, have every skill, and might even have the gear, he'd be playing a role he was completely unfamiliar with in end game content after just a few hours of grinding from 3-50. Can you imagine a guy tanking a vet trial on a DK that had only played a DK for a few hours and that had never played a tank?
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✭✭✭Norexagamemnon wrote: »Skyshards, wayshrines, alliance war ranks, are just a few items that should be account bound
Also no.
On the other hand.. a level 3 Grand Overlord. Get outta here.
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't know why a lot of you are saying no to this.
I'll give one reason that I haven't seen mentioned. One of the main reasons for the "grind" is so that people learn how to play their characters. One guy mentioned above that he's played the same character for 3 years and wants to start a new one, but with everything already unlocked.
I would be the unlucky sap that got stuck with this guy in a vet dungeon. Even though he might be max CP, have every skill, and might even have the gear, he'd be playing a role he was completely unfamiliar with in end game content after just a few hours of grinding from 3-50. Can you imagine a guy tanking a vet trial on a DK that had only played a DK for a few hours and that had never played a tank?
so that guy was me and I can say easily I get knowledge about new char by just seeing other players playing this at 1st, then as for me reading some things about this class and at the and while I lvling this char to 50lvl I know and good understand most of this class skills how they work, synergize with others etc
thats ennogh to go for some vet dung or some pvp and get jsut practise using it not hard hwile knowing how what work
for example I can give you my magdk which I created mainly for dps but occasionaly could go for tankingthats was time before morrowind and that was simple as most good tanks had atlest 30k for even vet dlc dungs like cradle or mazzatun before nerfs to them (because to hard) and before more power creep via more cp etc
so back to tanking...where most succefull tanks had over 30k health and much less other attribues (more stam than mag) I was sitting at 24k health, few tens mor magica and maybe 15k stam and really I had no any problem to run these dung
even when I was jsut 2nd time here as tank and as magdk which I really rarely was playing I good knowed what to do
for trials ofc I should have more health but this is other story and then I would build specially for this while my tank setup for dungs was just "improvised" from dps build, only gear changed and skills on bar, even was not changing cp and was fine xD
so tl;dr after spoiler - I could max lvl new char, get all skillpoint to this etc things neede to grind normally and I will need really only some practise for using this char while knowledge I have obtained while playing even single char for years, just observations and reading topics about other classes
so as for me your reason @Vuron is really invalid but maybe because you was playing to much with noobs who even have 1k cp and still dont know when break-free0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I don't know why a lot of you are saying no to this.
I'll give one reason that I haven't seen mentioned. One of the main reasons for the "grind" is so that people learn how to play their characters. One guy mentioned above that he's played the same character for 3 years and wants to start a new one, but with everything already unlocked.
I would be the unlucky sap that got stuck with this guy in a vet dungeon. Even though he might be max CP, have every skill, and might even have the gear, he'd be playing a role he was completely unfamiliar with in end game content after just a few hours of grinding from 3-50. Can you imagine a guy tanking a vet trial on a DK that had only played a DK for a few hours and that had never played a tank?
It has been said and addressed.
"Because grinding in Spellscar totally teaches you how to play"
The same can be said about Skyshards. They teach you nothing about how to play. They teach you how run around like a headless chicken spamming your 1 button over and over.
They don't "teach"Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake5 -
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✭I don't know why a lot of you are saying no to this.
I'll give one reason that I haven't seen mentioned. One of the main reasons for the "grind" is so that people learn how to play their characters. One guy mentioned above that he's played the same character for 3 years and wants to start a new one, but with everything already unlocked.
I would be the unlucky sap that got stuck with this guy in a vet dungeon. Even though he might be max CP, have every skill, and might even have the gear, he'd be playing a role he was completely unfamiliar with in end game content after just a few hours of grinding from 3-50. Can you imagine a guy tanking a vet trial on a DK that had only played a DK for a few hours and that had never played a tank?
But.....don't we already have people grinding to 50 in a few hours.....max cp....have the gear....no experience on that class.....NOW? The only change would be more skills to pick from IF they've already collected the skyshards on a main. Kind of thought that's why we cringe when someone starts a story with PUG in it....1 -
Lasinagol✭✭✭Skyshards should not be account bound...I can grind a champion out in about 6 hours with a friend being somewhat lazy with it...having the ability to get all the skills for a character that hasn't earrned it isn't cool.
Just having the skillpoints makes a huge difference...like as you are levelling you get the bonus of all your passives and being able to morph your skills immediately...can make lvl 3 mastercrafters too....they never have to kill anything...or get exp...Altmer Supremist, filthy spell slinger since Nerevar was assasinated0 -
valusthecateater✭✭✭Honestly, if you have the time to play more than one character, you have the time to work through the story, missions, and yes, obtain Sky Shards with multiple characters.
Sorry, not sorry.4 -
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✭Skyshards should not be account bound...I can grind a champion out in about 6 hours with a friend being somewhat lazy with it...having the ability to get all the skills for a character that hasn't earrned it isn't cool.
Just having the skillpoints makes a huge difference...like as you are levelling you get the bonus of all your passives and being able to morph your skills immediately...can make lvl 3 mastercrafters too....they never have to kill anything...or get exp...
as I proposed how about unlocking these accound shared "extras" would be unlocked only if you hit 50lvl on this char?
well on lower lvl this still wont be difference between someone new and veteran player who have achieved all on his main
on 50lvl char? well same, if this player could master his main and know how game work then he will not be able to learn fast enogh his new char so he should be forced to run like before mentioned headless chicken on every map with just gathereing shards? for this even combat is no needed how what is to learn by running this boring thing?0 -
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✭valusthecateater wrote: »Honestly, if you have the time to play more than one character, you have the time to work through the story, missions, and yes, obtain Sky Shards with multiple characters.
Sorry, not sorry.
honestly but most people will make every quest just once for their main if even they will make other quests than these main with awarind of skillpoint
if player have time to play more than 1 char...then uhh....he just want to play other character instead of nonstop this same?
and also if someone is doing just next alt this doesnt mean he even care for lore in quest, he just want to be able proprly play this char without missing skills, passives especially in game like this where is meta min/max where players care even for 1% difference in their stats for content while they just dont care about quest
why they dont care about quest on every alt? because this is literally same as this done 1st and for most people doing same lore quest again and again for every new alt its like rehashed chops (idk if saying is good in english but in my language it have sense xD) and same is with grind again and again shyshards like guild skillines2 -
Vuron✭✭✭✭✭This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
Exactly, you want the template, go to PTS. Have your sandbox mode where you can do whatever there.The Unshattered - Tenacious Dreamer - Hurricane Herald - Godslayer - Dawnbringer - Gryphon Heart - Tick Tock Tormenter - Immortal Redeemer - Dro-m'Athra DestroyerThe Unchained - The Brilliant - Moth Trusted - The Just - Oathsworn - Bedlam's Disciple - Temporal Tempest - Curator's Champion - Fist of Tava - Invader's Bane - Land, Air, and Sea Supremacy - Zero Regrets - Battlespire's Best - Bastion Breaker - Ardent Bibliophile - Subterranean Smasher - Bane of Thorns - True Genius - In Defiance of Death - No Rest for the Wicked - Nature's Wrath - Undying Endurance - Relentless Raider - Depths Defier - Apex Predator - Pure Lunacy - Mountain God - Leave No Bone Unbroken - CoS/RoM/BF/FH Challenger70,730 achievement points3 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
Exactly, you want the template, go to PTS. Have your sandbox mode where you can do whatever there.
No one plays on the PTSValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
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I just read your first comment. It makes sense, but there's an easy fix : don't share skill points until the character hits lvl 50.
Same could go for undaunted, mages guild, psijic and other grinds. That way, people could spend more time playing the game and do things they enjoy, instead of doing countless hours of horse simulator to get those skill points.
I know some people say you have to work for the stuff you want, and I mainly agree with that regarding high-level rewards (vMA weapons, perfected trial gears, which I don't have, super cool skins and achievements), but when we talk about something as mind-numbing as farming, I'm all for a way to lessen that to a minimum. After all, I play this game to have fun.Edited by Swomp23 on November 12, 2018 9:17PMXBox One - NA6 -
Ruckly✭✭✭✭Skyshards you've discovered on your account should be unlocked on your current toon when you hit lvl 50. One does not really need a boat load of skill points though if you have a crafter so it does not affect me much unless I'm using quick skills and running two different weapon builds in cyrodill. Your morphs are locked until you reset at a shrine so how many skill points do you need?0
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Swomp23✭✭✭✭You get the skyshards from playing the game. Running the main quest line through each of the zones takes you to nearly all the skyshards. There are quests in the delves to do, that have a skyshard. It's not like you have to go out of your way to collect them. If playing the game is questing, and following the story, the skyshards are there. I honestly don't get why people are so adamant to having everything without doing a little work on it. If you approach it as just a "task" to do, that's what it'll be.
Unless you are literally doing end-game content (vet DLC trials), there is no need for you to have even more then one character, one character can do all content in the game: questing, crafting, dungeons/delves/trials (minus vet DLC). You made the choice to create a 2nd character, knowing full well that you'd need to go get the skill points and skyshards to make it viable.
As others have said, you want to play around with another character, play around with builds, go onto the PTS, you can do it all for free, with unlimited skill points, morphs, etc. All the gear you want.
Yes, and I greatly enjoyed getting the skyshards while playing the game on my 1st char. Then, a little less on my 2nd. By the 3rd, I was completly fed up with questing, mainly due to how faceroll easy everything is.
There are many reasons to roll multiple characters, even if it's only to experience a different gameplay. Some people like it, but others don't enjoy stupid easy questing and just want to get back to dungeons, trials or pvp with their exciting new alt. Locking that enjoyment behind tens of hours of grinding is bad for the game.XBox One - NA3 -
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I just read your first comment. It makes sense, but there's an easy fix : don't share skill points until the character hits lvl 50.
Same could go for undaunted, mages guild, psijic and other grinds. That way, people could spend more time playing the game and do things they enjoy, instead of doing countless hours of horse simulator to get those skill points.
I know some people say you have to work for the stuff you want, and I mainly agree with that regarding high-level rewards (vMA weapons, perfected trial gears, which I don't have, super cool skins and achievements), but when we talk about as mind-numbing farming, I'm all for a way to lessen that to a minimum. After all, I play this game to have fun.
This is just a lazy work around to laziness to begin with. Also a touch of entitlement. Even move so that now you want everything leveled up across the board. Might as well just sell lvl 50 characters in the crown store and then pay so the character plays itself.
If it is an issue below lvl 50 it is just plain a bad idea.
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✭✭✭✭✭Skyshards, and the skill points they represent, need to remain character based. ZOS got that right.XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
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Swomp23✭✭✭✭
I just read your first comment. It makes sense, but there's an easy fix : don't share skill points until the character hits lvl 50.
Same could go for undaunted, mages guild, psijic and other grinds. That way, people could spend more time playing the game and do things they enjoy, instead of doing countless hours of horse simulator to get those skill points.
I know some people say you have to work for the stuff you want, and I mainly agree with that regarding high-level rewards (vMA weapons, perfected trial gears, which I don't have, super cool skins and achievements), but when we talk about as mind-numbing farming, I'm all for a way to lessen that to a minimum. After all, I play this game to have fun.
This is just a lazy work around to laziness to begin with. Also a touch of entitlement. Even move so that now you want everything leveled up across the board. Might as well just sell lvl 50 characters in the crown store and then pay so the character plays itself.
If it is an issue below lvl 50 it is just plain a bad idea.
I try to come with a thoughtful argument only to face crappy insults. I should have known better than to try to argue with a wall like you...XBox One - NA3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It would be nice if we had, utility furnishings, like a skyshard map, that would let you "copy" completed Skyshard collections onto it, and then let other characters copy off of that, immediately getting the benefit from those shards.
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Swomp23✭✭✭✭valusthecateater wrote: »Honestly, if you have the time to play more than one character, you have the time to work through the story, missions, and yes, obtain Sky Shards with multiple characters.
Sorry, not sorry.
It's not about having the time or not. It's about doing things we like.
Really, what's wrong with you people not wanting other people get things they might enjoy?XBox One - NA4 -
Swomp23✭✭✭✭This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.XBox One - NA2 -
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✭✭✭This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.
Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.
No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.
A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.
I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.
I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.2
