Skyshards account bound

MLGProPlayer

tmbrinks wrote: »

1. You don't even really need much more than the 64 skill points you get from leveling up your character from 1-50 (unless you also want to craft).
2. If you don't grind level your toons, and run through and do the main quest (in each zone) and delves, you'll have over 100 skill points by the time you make it to level 50, which is more than enough

Point is. You want another handout, you want it to be easy... (I have 26 toons that are full crafters, over half of them can do dps/heals/tanking as well.) Sorry, you're brand new baby toon that you got carried through skyreach, to level quickly isn't supposed to be as good as a toon that somebody leveled and collected skyshards and quested on.

Just because <1% of players are fine with it doesn't mean it isn't poor game design.

Repetitive tasks are ways MMOs get people to stick around in the absence of quality gameplay content. Repetitive fetch content isn't fun by any objective measure and is part of the reason why MMOs tend to be viewed so poorly by game critics.

Edziu

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

making new char maybe because bored after playing 3 years just one same char like I was?

Well, if you’ve been playing for 3 years, that’s certainly a commitment ... getting skyshards on a second character should be no problem for that kind of playstyle.

well I wil just say this as I wanted after some time of playing (not jsut after 3 years it was many times before) I wanteed to creat some different chars for pvp and with this for pve

I was nonstop stam nb even when this didnt exist but then wanted to make
maglplar for teampler on pvp,
mag/stamdk for same + for some pve etc
ez mode magsorc
and after more time wanted to make op stamden whe it was in meta

and what?
I have done only magdk which coudl occasionaly tank pve

rest ended as magaziners once lvled to max because after jsut lvling while exploring maps for skyshards bored me enough so I dont wanted to grind for more skillines like fighers guild etc

thats my mine reason why I was stuck on single character for these years

Edziu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

No thanks, I want to play the game fully with all my characters, not have one achieve stuff which the rest are then handed on a plate just because I've done it once.

Then you should have an option to grind it all out again. Nothing is handed to me which I spent hours on. I have a real job. Doing the exact same boring horse simulation, running and riding from stone to stone, book to book is monotonous and NOT fun to a large portion of us. I'd like to you know..PLAY the game. Not be forced to do what someone else THINKS I should do.

Could you elaborate why you put emphasis on 'having a real job'? Are you assuming that others do not 'have a real job'? You sound bitter.

I thinkg point about "real job" is this as not everyone have "light" job and have their true 8 hours of working
many can have not only harder job but also job where for something you are jsut forced to make overtime and then gg your free time for your pleasures like just enjoying of game which is really hard to get while you are forced to game same thing again and again on just new char like it would be just another your job if you want to get more fun from game

I really grinding like this feel like you another job but in game to have this game on enjoyable lvl

Have you ever stopped to consider that what you want from the game isn't what it's offering, and your instant-gratification is differently applied in MMOs, and that perhaps you're playing the wrong kind of game? How many MMO's do you play? Single player? How many offer what you want? Objectively speaking. It really sounds like you enjoy a totally different kind of gameplay than what ESO offers.

well this game would be great if you want to play only main and hate alts or you have an fetish to grind everything same again and again

like this game had, maybe still have? great potential but we all see or atlest most see how this potential is wasted by ZOS in every patch, not everyone mut most most players will agree with me how potential of this game was and is wasted

and that is reason why I finally stopped playing this after stuggling with last patches of playing for me (morrowind to summerset and murkmire is other mgreat evidence)

and from bigger game I was playin wow, gw2, warframe, runescape (eoc and osrs) and I know how game look or atlest should look if is maded to play on single character or to play many characters because not only this is avaible but in many things its supposed to play different characters if can
(like to make an content in easier way if in your main way its to big struggle or even cant do it or have just more fun for playing different character)

EDIT: and do you know what is funnier? in most games except runescape I was playing for real while on break from ESO or after quit and I have learned from that short time how efficient MMO is working/changing to be good and I have seen how devs should going with their game in gw2 and warframe and with this in runescape when oldschool server was added

Taleof2Cities

sulima wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

No thanks, I want to play the game fully with all my characters, not have one achieve stuff which the rest are then handed on a plate just because I've done it once.

Then you should have an option to grind it all out again. Nothing is handed to me which I spent hours on. I have a real job. Doing the exact same boring horse simulation, running and riding from stone to stone, book to book is monotonous and NOT fun to a large portion of us. I'd like to you know..PLAY the game. Not be forced to do what someone else THINKS I should do.

If it’s NOT fun then why are you making new characters in the first place??

No one is forcing you to do that ...

Taleoof2cities,

I think it's great that you invest your free time on the PTS and provide valuable feedback to developers that help make this game what it is.

For some of us we can't invest that much time in a game we love. I'm still confused as to why it's a problem to make skyshards account bound if it would improve many players enjoyment of the game? is that not a win win for everyone?

You’re totally missing my point about PTS.

You can create a PTS template character that is fully skilled in about an hour ... to try out a new class or build.

Which saves a lot of time for the casual player.

On PTS players don’t have to go through leveling a character and getting the skill points just to see if they like the class or build.

If they do like it, then they can start the character on Live.

sulima

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

sulima wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

No thanks, I want to play the game fully with all my characters, not have one achieve stuff which the rest are then handed on a plate just because I've done it once.

Then you should have an option to grind it all out again. Nothing is handed to me which I spent hours on. I have a real job. Doing the exact same boring horse simulation, running and riding from stone to stone, book to book is monotonous and NOT fun to a large portion of us. I'd like to you know..PLAY the game. Not be forced to do what someone else THINKS I should do.

If it’s NOT fun then why are you making new characters in the first place??

No one is forcing you to do that ...

Taleoof2cities,

I think it's great that you invest your free time on the PTS and provide valuable feedback to developers that help make this game what it is.

For some of us we can't invest that much time in a game we love. I'm still confused as to why it's a problem to make skyshards account bound if it would improve many players enjoyment of the game? is that not a win win for everyone?

You’re totally missing my point about PTS.

You can create a PTS template character that is fully skilled in about an hour ... to try out a new class or build.

Which saves a lot of time for the casual player.

On PTS players don’t have to go through leveling a character and getting the skill points just to see if they like the class or build.

If they do like it, then they can start the character on Live.

An hour is what most of us can invest in a day, not to mention the 50 G download... why in your opinion are skyshard account bound a bad idea? I think in regards to PVP someone mentioned the skill points not being available until hitting 50, if that were the case would it still pose a problem?

idk

kyle.wilson wrote: »

idk wrote: »

kyle.wilson wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Skyshards will never and of course should never be account bound, unlocked so new characters have all those SPs.

I realize it is easy to overlook but it is absurd to think a new character should start off loaded with skill points but when one looks at PvP it is clear it would be unbalanced and unfair in the below lvl 50 campaign.

So that is the reason they will never be unlocked for the account and no one has offered a logical reason that they should be.

I'm still under the opinion that people shouldn't be hanging in <50 to farm new players. After a certain period after getting the first char to 50 they should be locked out permanently. The the no-cp campaign is where they go. Most of the people that hang around <50 have already gathered the sky shards anyway. Before 1 Tamriel I gathered all skyshards in my faction zone before reaching lvl 15. So that is quite unfair to a new player that hasn't thought to do that. But then again players do recycle gear they've golded out, which is far more unfair than unlocking skyshards for new chars.

This is such a narrow view that would destroy the <50 campaign. It is also irrelevant if a large number of players in the <50 campaign have acquired most of the skyshards on one of their characters. It is also not very relevant if some players focus on grabbing sky shards in the beginning vs leveling up since it is a choice whereas OP wants it guaranteed.

BTW, Gold gear over purple gear does very little outside of weapons.

Really do not know what your point is other than many trying to shape the argument with some opinions.

I'm just curious why you still hang in the <50 campaign. At one point you could argue the quality of play was better due to the lack of proc builds and bomb groups. But, with One Tamriel and the cheapening of the PVP skill line it all migrated down.
The <50 campaign was never meant to be a place to make a permanent home. You were supposed to learn, then move on. I take it you may have been one of the players to hang around the starter zones in other MMOs to kill new players.

This is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Seems more like it is intended to be a distraction and derail the thread it is so irrelevant, besides making baseless assumptions.

Vandril

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Jameliel wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

No thanks, I want to play the game fully with all my characters, not have one achieve stuff which the rest are then handed on a plate just because I've done it once.

Then you should have an option to grind it all out again. Nothing is handed to me which I spent hours on. I have a real job. Doing the exact same boring horse simulation, running and riding from stone to stone, book to book is monotonous and NOT fun to a large portion of us. I'd like to you know..PLAY the game. Not be forced to do what someone else THINKS I should do.

Could you elaborate why you put emphasis on 'having a real job'? Are you assuming that others do not 'have a real job'? You sound bitter.

I think they were comparing skyshard grinding to repetitive work that they don't get paid for, making it a job-like activity or fake job. Thus the emphasis on having a "real job" is just a comparison point. Something like, "I have a real job, and don't need this repetitive grind in my video games that make them feel like work instead of play."

zaria

idk wrote: »

Skyshards will never and of course should never be account bound, unlocked so new characters have all those SPs.

I realize it is easy to overlook but it is absurd to think a new character should start off loaded with skill points but when one looks at PvP it is clear it would be unbalanced and unfair in the below lvl 50 campaign.

So that is the reason they will never be unlocked for the account and no one has offered a logical reason that they should be.

Very good point, an low level alt already has the benefit of knowledge of game and quality crafted gear.

But yes it can hit, made an tank for the first time leveled up only with tanking random dungeons during the event with +150% xp scrolls. Well I had an cp810 with an serious lack of skillpoints, I now had to collect them with an build who had only used skillpoints for tanking skills

Perwulf

This is why I don't play my alts. They're basically just sitting there and whenever I think about playing one, flashbacks from collecting skyshard.

WeerW3ir

this topic and everyone who is complaining about horse feeds and shards and books are PATHETIC
no excuse. but rly...

Androconium

Every day, I see drivers slowing down to let people waiting at Give Way and Stop signs into the traffic.
That's because I drive with thousands of people who are qualified traffic planning engineers.

Elwendryll

I only read the first page. I think you only need all the SkillPoints on your main/crafter. If the points were to be shared, they could be level-locked. Like, total account skillpoints could work like enlightment. You gain extra skill points each level if you have some remaining, and when you reach level 50, you get all.

heaven13

I think it's fair to say everyone has a different definition of what "playing" is to them.

However, I think a wide, more vague definition needs to be applied when it comes to conversations like this. Things that require you to go out and do things in the game would be playing (whether that's a part of playing a particular gamer enjoys): things like farming mats, leveling skill points, questing, etc. These should stay character based. Collecting skyshards may be tedious for some but it is still an aspect of playing the game.

I believe anything that is purchased in the crown store that cannot also be earned in game (so does not apply to horse training for example) should be account wide.

I would be fine with an account achievement tab where you can review your achievements across all your characters but each alt still needs to earn their own.

If the store wanted to make them "discoverable" with a crown purchase for convenience for those who don't want to find them, go for it...by character. So you can purchase one zone's shards at a time for 2000 or 3000 crowns for the standard 12. You cannot purchase shards for either Cyrodiil or DLCs that you do not have access to.

TheShadowScout

heaven13 wrote: »

I would be fine with an account achievement tab where you can review your achievements across all your characters but each alt still needs to earn their own.

Indeed, and shift the dye unlocks there... also, if they ever did that, they could and should add additional rewards for mutliple achievements. Like... finish mainstory with each class, earn this outfit piece set (companion weapons?), do PvP achievements with every alliance, earn that outfit piece, reach this with every race, earn that... etc.

heaven13

TheShadowScout wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

I would be fine with an account achievement tab where you can review your achievements across all your characters but each alt still needs to earn their own.

Indeed, and shift the dye unlocks there... also, if they ever did that, they could and should add additional rewards for mutliple achievements. Like... finish mainstory with each class, earn this outfit piece set (companion weapons?), do PvP achievements with every alliance, earn that outfit piece, reach this with every race, earn that... etc.

Yes, exactly. Would actually love something like this.

Defilted

If you play on PC there no reason for this change as the addons that play the game for you tell you where they are and hell probably move you character to it and click on it with you just looking at the monitor.

If you play the game on console you have to use a website or app to get to locations(or just remember where they are). Adding a map UI addon to console would fix this issue.

No need for these things to be account wide.

They do not even have achievements account wide. You think you are going to get skyshards?!

Merlin13KAGL

POps75p wrote: »

Cillion3117 wrote: »

That takes away the fun of discovery.

tell me what you discover on your 15th toon?

1. That you don't have to worry about the skyshard grind anymore. You're done.
2. That you've probably been doing it wrong 15 times, since there are faster ways to get full skillpoints than fetching little crystals of light 1/3rd at a time.

TheValar85

oh yes please + 1000000000000000000

Merlin13KAGL

If anything, there should be the option (disabled, by default) that would take the average of your account completions and grant a percentage of that to a new character.

This would lessen the grind the more complete characters you had without being exploitable simply by making 10 level 3's to try to get a head start.

About 100 hours in, or less, and you can have 90% of what you need for any build. That's guild rep, class skills, passives, Alliance war, the whole deal.

It's part of the process, but it's really not that dire in the grand scheme.

iiYuki

There should be a choice to transfer skyshards, wayshrines, achievements and various other stuff over. It would help with actually being able to play alts without fear of losing progress on a main or having to start ALL over again when ZO$ ruin your class.

Bouldercleave

Edziu wrote: »

okay I stopped reading all this sht after half of 3rd page
as how you people can be so ignorant?

to everyone who want forever grind for everything on every new char, can you get your free time for this?
not everyone like you have insane amount of time or dont know what to do to grind nonsenseless, boring same things on every new char if once done it

sue, on just new 3lvl alt it could be some op while be able to unlock every skill, passive but hello? you need to 1st get lvl in this skill line to be able to spent skillpoint to unlock these skills?
anyways there is always option to unlock your max cp, gathered skillpoints only after hitted 50lvl

because ok sure, on low lvl you have advantage of cp, you will have advantage of insane amount of skillpoints but why then dont propose to make this unlockable only on max lvl char?
as hello, I have got 50lvl on my x-th char, why I need aqgin and again doing these booooooooring things on new char while I know how to play, how it work etc but Im forced to to run like mindless bot just to get skyshards and other skillpoints which I once get and learned how to play?

this is just big boooooring nonsense to be forced run for every skyshard again where you are at point where you know most aspects of this game but you are locked behind "childish" running and collecting things again and again like if you still dont know how to play this game, this char


so again everyone ignorants hardly defeating your "love to gathering same things on every new char over and over" please give me your free time to do same like you but without any fun of doing this, this really feel like Im just pissed and forced to waste my free time to be able doing something specific in this game like just endgame where you need many things to be able do this

and PS for you asshurting about advantage in this - make this unlockable only after char maxed HURRAH! problem solved about advantage at low levels \o/

The millennials have spoken...

richo262

zaria wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Skyshards will never and of course should never be account bound, unlocked so new characters have all those SPs.

I realize it is easy to overlook but it is absurd to think a new character should start off loaded with skill points but when one looks at PvP it is clear it would be unbalanced and unfair in the below lvl 50 campaign.

So that is the reason they will never be unlocked for the account and no one has offered a logical reason that they should be.

Very good point, an low level alt already has the benefit of knowledge of game and quality crafted gear.

But yes it can hit, made an tank for the first time leveled up only with tanking random dungeons during the event with +150% xp scrolls. Well I had an cp810 with an serious lack of skillpoints, I now had to collect them with an build who had only used skillpoints for tanking skills

This is why I don't rave about the idea for Shards to be blanket account wide. I do however think buying passives with shards to be account wide is ideal.

You won't ever get an alt starting with a bank of 100 skills. You'll just have your alts acquire passives automatically as they level their trees. It could even make it arguably more challenging in the early game as you have fewer skills to play with initially. Although, saying that, there are plenty of skills found in Dungeons, Pub Dungeons, Main quest, Over world, Leveling generally, so it is not like an alt would be too dis serviced.

gresiac

No

Swomp23

Yes please. And mage guild, psijic line, undaunted, and all those other high-grind acivities that offer absolutely no replayability value.

A lot of toxicity in this game/forum come from people that had their class nerfed. Truth is, meta comes and goes, it's cyclic. We already have great incentives to roll multiple characters through account-bound CP (which is very nice), but all the secondary grinds can discourage a lot of people to level multiple alts.

I saw that some people don't want this to be, altough I don't really get why. Maybe they're more role-play oriented and really want to have a unique experience on all characters. It's perfectly fine, to each their own. But if we had the OPTION to share those grind-heavy activities, I think it would really alleviate the salt level that comes from balance sweeps (aka Nerf Hammer).

WeerW3ir

If you cannot be arsed to collect stuffs then dont play an mmo. thats it.

tmbrinks

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

okay I stopped reading all this sht after half of 3rd page
as how you people can be so ignorant?

to everyone who want forever grind for everything on every new char, can you get your free time for this?
not everyone like you have insane amount of time or dont know what to do to grind nonsenseless, boring same things on every new char if once done it

sue, on just new 3lvl alt it could be some op while be able to unlock every skill, passive but hello? you need to 1st get lvl in this skill line to be able to spent skillpoint to unlock these skills?
anyways there is always option to unlock your max cp, gathered skillpoints only after hitted 50lvl

because ok sure, on low lvl you have advantage of cp, you will have advantage of insane amount of skillpoints but why then dont propose to make this unlockable only on max lvl char?
as hello, I have got 50lvl on my x-th char, why I need aqgin and again doing these booooooooring things on new char while I know how to play, how it work etc but Im forced to to run like mindless bot just to get skyshards and other skillpoints which I once get and learned how to play?

this is just big boooooring nonsense to be forced run for every skyshard again where you are at point where you know most aspects of this game but you are locked behind "childish" running and collecting things again and again like if you still dont know how to play this game, this char


so again everyone ignorants hardly defeating your "love to gathering same things on every new char over and over" please give me your free time to do same like you but without any fun of doing this, this really feel like Im just pissed and forced to waste my free time to be able doing something specific in this game like just endgame where you need many things to be able do this

and PS for you asshurting about advantage in this - make this unlockable only after char maxed HURRAH! problem solved about advantage at low levels \o/

The millennials have spoken...

please don't lump the millennials into this. This is the Gen Z generation

Dreyloch

I don't know why a lot of you are saying no to this.

You still have to level up the skills as you get them before you can put more points into their respective morphs. You still need to find someone to bite you for vamp or werewolf, and level those skills and morphs. Fighter's guild, Mages guild, now Psijic order...having to level and morph all those skills alone is a pain in the butt. So I say why not make the skyshards account bound. Ease the pain of making new toons by just that much.

Off topic:
ZoS did a nice thing with the Psijic questline by putting many of the key points near delves, dolmens, and world bosses. It's too bad much of it is very niche and hard to fit into many builds. Personally, I think the healing Symbiosis stuff can be really powerful. But after about 2 days in release, I haven't seen anyone use it. I hope they follow up someday with more magicka based lines.

Valrien

Defilted wrote: »

If you play on PC there no reason for this change as the addons that play the game for you tell you where they are and hell probably move you character to it and click on it with you just looking at the monitor.

If you play the game on console you have to use a website or app to get to locations(or just remember where they are). Adding a map UI addon to console would fix this issue.

No need for these things to be account wide.

They do not even have achievements account wide. You think you are going to get skyshards?!

Man, you really have no idea how ESO or addons work, do you?

Valrien

WeerW3ir wrote: »

If you cannot be arsed to collect stuffs then dont play an mmo. thats it.

You know MMO doesn't mean insanely boring repetitive tasks and nauseam right?

Massively
Multiplayer
Online

Not

Massively
Mundane
Ordeal

tmbrinks

Valrien wrote: »

WeerW3ir wrote: »

If you cannot be arsed to collect stuffs then dont play an mmo. thats it.

You know MMO doesn't mean insanely boring repetitive tasks and nauseam right?

Massively
Multiplayer
Online

Not

Massively
Mundane
Ordeal

I think the time spent coming up with these clever responses, you could've cleared a zone of skyshards, and probably gotten another 6 or 7 skill points (depending on if you cleared the group boss in the public dungeon)

I agree with the other poster, try not to bludgeon us. We get it.