Skyshards account bound

Edziu

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Swomp23 wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.

Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.

No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.

A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.

I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.

I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.

just BIG LOL on you

so now you think @Swomp23 even once didnt just explored zones because of this what also he suggest?

I can give you also example from me
just before even dlc's was added, just big basic map, I have done explored 100% of every map and have done 90% of quests 1st time on my main

but after some time I rethinked and didnt want this char to be my mine because I wanted to creat another with better look (yes that was on start game where was nothing than basic game)

and after I created my new main I needed some time to complete again all these quests, I have done it finally but after time to 100%...even it was months ago efter doing these quest 1st time guest what. I was really not only bored but also disgusted afted doing 2nd time literally everything same like quest, nothing was different, everything same

this was enough for me to not make any new alt to playable state for over year, after some time I created another to play but only what I was doing it was grinding it by exploration while searching for skyshards
same I was doing for my next and next and next alt

and you know what? everytime when I was grinding for days, maybe even in weeks when I havnt much free time this was for my worst time of playing in ESO just only to have character on playable state for endgame and pvp

I havnt experienced worse times of playing like just grinding to sickness exploration on new toons literally same way like every other only to have it in playable state for real end game, not just casual, for me that was real waste of time for playing in this game which I really loved

maybe for you its fun but for me as I dont have 10hours per day for playing this isnt fun, this isnt enjoyable, I can compare it to work which Im forced to do to have playable character like in real life Im forced to work just to stay alive

but this is game, game should be for fun, to spent time playing for enjoy but before I could have enjoyable time on every my new toon I was forced to additional work for it in game instead of having fun of playing most of time in this game



PS: now I just have hope you will have enough time to read this post like you all have time to gather every skyshard again and again on separately chaaracter like doing same quest every time with new character, this is message to everyone not only defeding to not make things like atlest skyshard accountwide but also force other players to think this is great even if they not only dont enjoy this, they also dont have time for this

Valrien

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Swomp23 wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.

Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.

No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.

A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.

I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.

I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.

Why? It still wouldnt matter unless they had the skills leveled to spend them.

todokete

Make it like in Guild Wars 2 that you can buy "checkpoints" in the cash shop

alanmatillab16_ESO

Rake wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Real question is why anyone needs 15 characters maxed out in the first place, 10 would give you stam/magic of each class an im sure you can get enough gold o respec faster than creating another character

I dont see a reason for that many at all

Crafting

Which can be done on ONE character with all crafting professions and all points spent and still have enough left over for a proper build.

The other 14 do not need the skyshards, or if they do they certainly do not need all of them which is what others have claimed here.

@Thread: if you want the cp on alts then do what is required to get them. I wonder how many people wanting them account bound are FOTM rerollers that are wanting to shelve their mages.

Edziu

todokete wrote: »

Make it like in Guild Wars 2 that you can buy "checkpoints" in the cash shop

checkpoints? you mean waypoints like wayshrines here? no one is asking for this

in gw2 good thing is as here are hero points instead of skillpoints which you can buy from pvp for pvp currency, this is great idea as you as pvp player you are not forced to do damn map exploration, just play pvp and via pvp you will unlock everything what you need without being forced to even get out of pvp

Sheezabeast

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

tmbrinks

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

There is no thought of that... it's just gimme, gimme, gimme.

The only thing, IMO that is not account wide at this time that I believe should be are achievement POINTS, not the titles, but the points.

Edziu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Sheezabeast

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

Edziu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

and there's the name calling.

Sheezabeast

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

people who disagree with you = ignorant?

Is that really where you want to stand? That makes sense to you? You really thought that out all the way?

Edziu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

people who disagree with you = ignorant?

Is that really where you want to stand? That makes sense to you? You really thought that out all the way?

no not only because they disagree with me but because as they disagree they dont have good arguments for this or if they have and argument and it is challenged?undermined? (sorry jsut dont know perfect word for this in english)

you still are going with your argument which was defeated by opposite not only better but also by more good arguments to which you cant, you dont have next argument to stay on your side but you still dont want let rest unhappy players to get an upgrade to their fun

EDIT: thats all wha tI see what you writing, when we got new argument why to my shards account wide you stay nonstop with yout same and stale single argument or just a bit changed but still same instead of finding new argument against us

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

people who disagree with you = ignorant?

Is that really where you want to stand? That makes sense to you? You really thought that out all the way?

no not only because they disagree with me but because as they disagree they dont have good arguments for this or if they have and argument and it is challenged?undermined? (sorry jsut dont know perfect word for this in english)

you still are going with your argument which was defeated by opposite not only better but also by more good arguments to which you cant, you dont have next argument to stay on your side but you still dont want let rest unhappy players to get an upgrade to their fun

EDIT: thats all wha tI see what you writing, when we got new argument why to my shards account wide you stay nonstop with yout same and stale single argument or just a bit changed but still same instead of finding new argument against us

Classic bully behavior. You are right, everybody else is wrong. Start name calling, and disregarding anything they say. There have been dozens of people who are against this in this thread. But you will ignore their comments and ideas because they don't fit into your view.

Edziu

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

people who disagree with you = ignorant?

Is that really where you want to stand? That makes sense to you? You really thought that out all the way?

no not only because they disagree with me but because as they disagree they dont have good arguments for this or if they have and argument and it is challenged?undermined? (sorry jsut dont know perfect word for this in english)

you still are going with your argument which was defeated by opposite not only better but also by more good arguments to which you cant, you dont have next argument to stay on your side but you still dont want let rest unhappy players to get an upgrade to their fun

EDIT: thats all wha tI see what you writing, when we got new argument why to my shards account wide you stay nonstop with yout same and stale single argument or just a bit changed but still same instead of finding new argument against us

Classic bully behavior. You are right, everybody else is wrong. Start name calling, and disregarding anything they say. There have been dozens of people who are against this in this thread. But you will ignore their comments and ideas because they don't fit into your view.

so maybe please point my other arguments? maybe I missed some after reading 2 and half page but what I saw why people are against ths:
- this will ruin their immersion
- this will make unbalance for low levels (so I suggested to make it unlockable after max lvl)
- you have time for making new alt - you have time to run all of this again (just lol)
- you have fun doing this so we also should have fun doing this like you
- everything should be separated for every char (some people wanted even CP lol, they are real hard defenders)

did I miss something why you all dont want to make shysards accountwide?

Elsonso

Edziu wrote: »

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

I am one of those who defend the Skyshards being character-based, and I am not ignoring any of those items. I just see it as a problem that is solved by the player, not something that ZOS needs to solve.

If any of those things apply to a player, and they feel strongly about it, then they should not go collecting Skyshards on every character. No one wants to do something that isn't fun, is boring, or there isn't time, over and over again on multiple characters. So, don't. Pick one to do it on, and go collect the Skyshards and skill points. Play that character. In this game, that is the sane choice when faced with one of those situations. ZOS made the game so it can be played with one, and only one, character.

Skyshards are baked into this RPG game as part of the character progression and exploration system. Even if they eventually offer a Level 50 boost in the Crown Store, it probably won't include Skyshards or the skill points that come with them.

tmbrinks

Edziu wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

people who disagree with you = ignorant?

Is that really where you want to stand? That makes sense to you? You really thought that out all the way?

no not only because they disagree with me but because as they disagree they dont have good arguments for this or if they have and argument and it is challenged?undermined? (sorry jsut dont know perfect word for this in english)

you still are going with your argument which was defeated by opposite not only better but also by more good arguments to which you cant, you dont have next argument to stay on your side but you still dont want let rest unhappy players to get an upgrade to their fun

EDIT: thats all wha tI see what you writing, when we got new argument why to my shards account wide you stay nonstop with yout same and stale single argument or just a bit changed but still same instead of finding new argument against us

Classic bully behavior. You are right, everybody else is wrong. Start name calling, and disregarding anything they say. There have been dozens of people who are against this in this thread. But you will ignore their comments and ideas because they don't fit into your view.

so maybe please point my other arguments? maybe I missed some after reading 2 and half page but what I saw why people are against ths:
- this will ruin their immersion
- this will make unbalance for low levels (so I suggested to make it unlockable after max lvl)
- you have time for making new alt - you have time to run all of this again (just lol)
- you have fun doing this so we also should have fun doing this like you
- everything should be separated for every char (some people wanted even CP lol, they are real hard defenders)

did I miss something why you all dont want to make shysards accountwide?

You missed the point, that you don't have to run it all, you don't need all the skyshards to do all the content in the game. Earlier poster said he needed 104 skill points to do his build. You get 64 just from leveling. And if you don't just grind skyreach (which to me is WAY worse than questing/delve hunting), you'll be very close to 100 by the time you reach 50. So you have all the points you need, just by playing the game. No need for a handout.

I believe that you should have to put some effort into your characters to make them the best they can be, and not just be given them max level skill points right away. (The unlocking at max level is moot, you can just master writ level your toon up in like 90 minutes, so that's nothing).

The main argument for, was that skyshard hunting made it so people didn't want to test out new races/classes/builds because of a fear of it not being the "best", or not enjoying the class. Well, that's what the PTS is for, test it on there, see if you enjoy it, then bring it over to live and level it up there.

Sheezabeast

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

people who disagree with you = ignorant?

Is that really where you want to stand? That makes sense to you? You really thought that out all the way?

no not only because they disagree with me but because as they disagree they dont have good arguments for this or if they have and argument and it is challenged?undermined? (sorry jsut dont know perfect word for this in english)

you still are going with your argument which was defeated by opposite not only better but also by more good arguments to which you cant, you dont have next argument to stay on your side but you still dont want let rest unhappy players to get an upgrade to their fun

EDIT: thats all wha tI see what you writing, when we got new argument why to my shards account wide you stay nonstop with yout same and stale single argument or just a bit changed but still same instead of finding new argument against us

Don't you see that with this issue there is no right or wrong opinion? It's just opinions? One side has one opinion, others have others. I presented my opinions, without name-calling, to which you mostly ignored my core points, and then came to the conclusion that my opinion was worth less than yours because you deem me ignorant? You really need to learn what debate is, what respecting others means, and really, really, work on accepting that others believe different, for different reasons, and that its ok to disagree respectfully. Frankly, I'm done trying to chase your logic, and I hope you can learn how to treat other people better.

Sylvermynx

Awesome post @Sheezabeast. You go!

Swomp23

Bouldercleave wrote: »

Swomp23 wrote: »

Vuron wrote: »

This has gotten to the point of ridiculousness. Now, we're to the point of asking for all the skyshards, guild skill lines, quest skill points, achievements, along with the CP you're already getting.

Basically, you're asking for a template that let's you create a max level character.

No. We're not asking to have them all. We're asking to have those we already unlocked with other characters. There's a big difference.

A typical player that has been here any length of time has run through the main PvE zones at least once and done all the quests and gotten the shards. That will equal over 100 skill points. It's just asking for too much to give an alt out of the gate.

I think on my original character (professional crafter now) he has collected 390 or so shards IIRC. That's 130 insta skill points. Even if you can't apply ALL of them at once, it would be game breakingly over powered.

I don't think anyone at ZoS is stupid enough to implement something like this - and I have precious little faith in them.

Yeah, I agree with you about having 100 skill points at lvl 3 wont be fun, but I adressed this in a different post. Sorry if I got all over the place, I’ll try to summarize how I see it.

- Make it so that sharing skill points is an option. You want to lvl a new alt as fast as possible to play it in content you actually enjoy? Use the option. You want to experience the progression of a new character? Don’t use the option, just like you won’t use your cp. But tbf, thats what I did in august when I came back after a 2 year break, not using cp and only the gear I found, and got bored at lvl 30 because everything was so easy in overland. But that’s personal. If you enjoy questing, you have every right to do so. But the fact that complete strangers use the option to gain account-bound skill points shouldn’t bother you the slightest. To each their own.

- On top of that, ZoS could make it that those skill points are just unlocked after lvl 50. So when your new toon turns cp810, you can bring him right away in trials, pvp, or wathever floats your boat. To each their own.

- A lot of salt in this game/forum comes from major balance swings (aka nerf hammer) affecting a person’s main character. If they have only 1 or 2 character, this is completly understandable. But if it would be easier to switch to a new character, they could just reroll a new toon, power lvl it to 50, and go back to wathever content they enjoy. They could still be mad about their favourite class being nerfed, but at least they would have an alternative, without spending 2 weeks doing content they don’t enjoy. To each their own (see a pattern here?).

- Some people will say that you have to work for what you want, and I agree with this, but only when we talk about actual hard content (vma, vet trials, etc.). Mind-numbing grind isn’t work, it’s a cheap time-sink. I play games to have fun. Some people have fun doing easy quests for the storytelling and others have fun doing hard and challenging content. I don’t understand why some people might want to prevent other players to do activities they enjoy. It. Will. Not. Affect. You. Let them have fun.

- In this line of thought, I’m all for making Undaunted, mages guild, psijic and all those grind-heavy activities account bound. I’m more of a pve player myself, but I see no advantage in forcing pvp players level undaunted to 9 on all their toons. Let them ball-zerg in Cyro to their hearth’s content.

And before any troll calls me entitled, I’m not demanding anything. I just say that it would be nice. I share an idea.

Edziu

@lordrichter so from get more skillpoints if not from skyshards? just dont say from quests as its more boring if repeating more

I see you can understand about things not being fun etc but only options to make more skillpoints are quests and shards which are similiar boring, time waster and not fun for many player making alts to play behind their main

Sylvermynx

@Swomp23: as I stated when asked by @sulima (way back on page 3 maybe?), I have no problem at all with this, as long as it's an option/toggle in Settings or wherever. Personally, I love the "grind" on every girl. Heck, I don't even have a level 50 - highest level so far is 33. You know, I love the questing in a game like this, but my lag is SOOOOO bad that I can't ever manage the "mini-boss" that seems to end every quest line - it actually took me until level 21 I think on my stamblade to get through Daughter of Giants.... and that was after three deaths.... My wardens and sorcs have a better time with that sort of thing, but jeez - for me it's HARD.

Really, I simply answered with my personal slant on it. If it was optional, I'd be fine with that.

MasterSpatula

I feel like people who favor a global unlock on such things are probably the same people who have "toons," while those of us who have "characters" expect our achievements to be, well, achieved.

I may be completely off base, though.

Swomp23

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

Rake wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Real question is why anyone needs 15 characters maxed out in the first place, 10 would give you stam/magic of each class an im sure you can get enough gold o respec faster than creating another character

I dont see a reason for that many at all

Crafting

Which can be done on ONE character with all crafting professions and all points spent and still have enough left over for a proper build.

The other 14 do not need the skyshards, or if they do they certainly do not need all of them which is what others have claimed here.

@Thread: if you want the cp on alts then do what is required to get them. I wonder how many people wanting them account bound are FOTM rerollers that are wanting to shelve their mages.

Why does it bother you if they are FOTM reroller, if it’s what they like? It. Does. Not. Affect. You. To each their own.

Edziu

@tmbrinks so we have 64 point for just maxed char
someone posted build needing 104 point so its additional 40 so x3 and this is 120 shards to gather, well...

and this is for single specific build, many peopl want to have more skillpoint spent into more class skills/weapons could have more than single build to run without respecing
always can mention about craft for atlest hireling for some more gold, I dont know single person who will not make craft for atlest hireling on alts for additional free mats

and well, I suppose many experienced people in this game realy want mor to run their content like pvp, dung, trials etc isntead of question, shard hunting while exploring map to lvl char and skyreach is for htem much more efficient to fast lvl
and what is going with this?
every experienced player if is going for new char he mostly know what he want or could do with this char so he have acknowledged before how this class will/should work and so only thing he need after lvl its just some practice in simple vet dung to get when which skill how often etc

and in just skyreach where you fast lvl you unlock every next skill adn you go to exp most skills to atlest morph so while grinding you learn how this skill work while in just exploring map..just meh, not only this will take longer but wont teach much more than this skyreach grind if you already have knowledge about this char

idk

Swomp23 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Swomp23 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Dreyloch wrote: »

I don't know why a lot of you are saying no to this.

Read my first post in this thread. It makes it obvious. It certainly makes it obvious why Zos will not do this.

I just read your first comment. It makes sense, but there's an easy fix : don't share skill points until the character hits lvl 50.

Same could go for undaunted, mages guild, psijic and other grinds. That way, people could spend more time playing the game and do things they enjoy, instead of doing countless hours of horse simulator to get those skill points.

I know some people say you have to work for the stuff you want, and I mainly agree with that regarding high-level rewards (vMA weapons, perfected trial gears, which I don't have, super cool skins and achievements), but when we talk about as mind-numbing farming, I'm all for a way to lessen that to a minimum. After all, I play this game to have fun.

This is just a lazy work around to laziness to begin with. Also a touch of entitlement. Even move so that now you want everything leveled up across the board. Might as well just sell lvl 50 characters in the crown store and then pay so the character plays itself.

If it is an issue below lvl 50 it is just plain a bad idea.

I try to come with a thoughtful argument only to face crappy insults. I should have known better than to try to argue with a wall like you...

LOL. Speaking the truth is considered a crappie insults?

We will let Zos sort this out. If in the next year they make all this account wide leveling up as you suggest then I guess I just made a crappie insult. If not then, well, I guess I speak the truth.

Sylvermynx

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I feel like people who favor a global unlock on such things are probably the same people who have "toons," while those of us who have "characters" expect our achievements to be, well, achieved.

I may be completely off base, though.

*sigh* I have toons. I'm not in favor of a blanket unlock. I would be in favor of a choice.

Swomp23

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

Correct me if I’m wring, but I thought dyes were already account bound? As for the achievements, I would say that they should remain character based, although it doesn’t bother me at all. But I recognize that it’s important to other people, so I don’t see any point on preventing them to hunt achievements on all their toons. For the sake of it, make skyshards activable, without giving additional skillpoints.

What do you think about that?

Edziu

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

people who disagree with you = ignorant?

Is that really where you want to stand? That makes sense to you? You really thought that out all the way?

no not only because they disagree with me but because as they disagree they dont have good arguments for this or if they have and argument and it is challenged?undermined? (sorry jsut dont know perfect word for this in english)

you still are going with your argument which was defeated by opposite not only better but also by more good arguments to which you cant, you dont have next argument to stay on your side but you still dont want let rest unhappy players to get an upgrade to their fun

EDIT: thats all wha tI see what you writing, when we got new argument why to my shards account wide you stay nonstop with yout same and stale single argument or just a bit changed but still same instead of finding new argument against us

Don't you see that with this issue there is no right or wrong opinion? It's just opinions? One side has one opinion, others have others. I presented my opinions, without name-calling, to which you mostly ignored my core points, and then came to the conclusion that my opinion was worth less than yours because you deem me ignorant? You really need to learn what debate is, what respecting others means, and really, really, work on accepting that others believe different, for different reasons, and that its ok to disagree respectfully. Frankly, I'm done trying to chase your logic, and I hope you can learn how to treat other people better.

well maybe I need to learn this, ok but still

you are writing your opinion and as I see while you standing on your own nonstop independently other arguments.

when I was writing my opinion about how boring this collecting is, not fun etc and not have time to do this not funny thing I just fel ignored in every next post like your with your opinion because it look like you dont care as someone dont have time for not funny collecting shard for him, you just stay at your oppinion its fine for you with your arguments and dont care about others, this is what I felt while readin most of arguments against accountwide skyshards

idk

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Sheezabeast wrote: »

One thing no one has addressed is how this would muck up the current achievements you can get from collecting skyshards. Would you be demanding to have access to the dyes you get if you could just buy access to skill points?

Also how would this effect zones outside your chosen alliance? Would you get shards only native to your alliance zones? Or all zones? And wouldn't this mess up Cadwells Silver and Gold?

easy why like they have done with dyes or collectibles - once unlocked on 1 char then avaible for rest while you still can go for achiev for collecting this if its really that mmuch immersive for some ignorants as I see

Ignorants? Excuse me?

as I said in many post before and I see you are on of them who defend shards to be separate for every char while ignoring fact many playrer :
- dont have time to run it on every new char
- dont have any of fun in this running collecting simulator
- its just boring af for many
- and again not everyone have time for this while aslo have no fun running for this

and most is hard defenders of this system because its ok, its immersive for them to have it separately on every char while ignoring rest players who have more problem with this than fun of playing doing this

1. There is a point we have more characters than we should have. I already know I reached my limit and beyond and that is ok.

2. We do not need everything, especially all SP, on every character. I have well over 300 on 5 characters, over 350 on some, but have much less than 200 on the rest. I do fine with each character.