yodased wrote: »

Why is there so much entitled b.s. around stuff like this.

You made the choice to buy ESO+, regardless of whatever else was going on.

To say that a company is now "stealing" from you because they are giving other people a taste of what you paid for is illogical.

You are the type of person to *** at the cop who pulled you over when everyone was speeding. WHY ME?

Comparing yourself to other people is a very unhealthy way to go through life, you will never be happy.

Why can't you simply realize that some people have no idea what ESO+ is or does, other people can't afford it. Just because you made the choice to buy it, that irrelevant to any one else.

When an item that you bought yesterday goes on sale today do you go to the store and demand the difference? It's the same thing, that store is stealing potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars from you.

Equity does not mean equality, you don't deserve anything beyond what you paid for. Demanding compensation for some weird idea of fairness is not what intelligent people do.

I largely agree with you, although I just wanted to point out that some people probably do go back to a store where they recently made a large purchase if it went on sale the next day, and some stores do offer to match sale prices if an item a customer purchased goes on sale within a given period, and some even match sale prices of other stores if a customer brings it to their attention. But, that's usually for large purchases of say, a new TV, a washer/dryer, or some other large home electronics and not things like movies or video games. All of us have bought games, movies, etc. at full price, knowing full well it'll be on sale later.

Back to the topic: I'm not that worried about not getting crates this time. In fact, when I first started reading the article, I was thinking "Oh, free crates coming." Then by the time I finished the article, I had forgotten all about free crates. Giving us crates was a nice gesture, but not necessary. And, as someone else mentioned, there are additional benefits, other than just the crown stipend, that we have access to as ESO+ members that those with the free trial won't get.

I will say, though, that I rather enjoyed all the crates we got during previous ESO+ trial events, as well as the ones from the daily rewards. They enabled me to either get outright some items that I liked (but would never gamble for) or to purchase them with gems. I only have about a dozen gems now, though, but I got a lot of cool items with all the free gems I've gotten. But, I think that we won't see the kind of free crate bonanza we had with the launch of the daily reward system and will now probably only get a few each month moving forward. That's fine, though, as I don't think they want people to continue to get a lot of free stuff from crates without spending a single crown on them.

I am rather intrigued by the 12-month sub on ALL platforms. As of right now, XB only has the option of a monthly sub, which is $14.99 plus tax. I'd love to finally get a discount on subs that PC players have been getting since day one. But, it'd be nice if we were to also get the 3-month and 6-month options. But, I'll take a 12-month sub over the $15+ monthly.

You can say whatever you want, your continued complaining about perceived slights proves everything needed. You literally are claiming your are entitled to something because other people are getting it for free, however you want to try and paint it afterwards is irrelevant.

Acrolas wrote: »

That's also the week when we get to see just what kind of discount they're offering on the Ebon Steel Dwarven Spider. If it's a deep discount, then honestly inexpensive collectibles throughout the year will probably feel better than farming some gems every few months. And with the 12 month ESO+ plan just announced in that article, there's probably a few other things we don't know about yet.

Yes you're right, for once I agree with you! I'll be interested in seeing what the exclusive discounts/deals actually look like for ESO+ members and I'll mostly reserve judgement until we get a feel for those. If there are genuinely some good opportunities to snag a deal on crown items every month, I can see the benefit.

Ah, there's the catch for the crown increase then Not surprised at all.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Thank you for sharing your concerns with us. Our goal is to provide our ESO Plus members with valuable benefits and exclusive offers on a more consistent cadence every month, instead of a few bonus rewards every once in a while.

In addition to the original ESO Plus membership benefits such as full DLC access and the Craft Bag, on November 13 we will launch additional monthly improvements to our ESO Plus membership. These new benefits - available only to paid ESO Plus members - include exclusive Crown Store items and deals, free in-game collectibles, and an increase to the monthly Crown stipend. If you haven't yet, you can learn more about them here.

Thanks for the reply, Jess! I'm personally bummed about saying "goodbye" to the ESO+ free trial crates as for many of us that was frankly the only way to collect gems or try our luck. Seeing all the crates on my account and opening them was fun but not something that I would spend money on, hence why I thought it was a great subscriber perk! But I don't doubt that there will be some cool things in the crown store down the road and I'm looking forward to checking those out.

I guess they realised giving out free crates doesn't encourage people to buy more of them.

I'm sure ZOS hoped everyone would share all the cool collectables and useful potions, scrolls etc. they got - browse the listings to see what they missed and read about what everyone else got and decide it's worth picking up a few extra crates for another go at the things they missed.

Although I've thought much the same about the free ESO+ trials. I realise ZOS will never tell us but I've often wondered if the number of subscribers actually goes up noticeably after a trial. I'm sure I'm not the only one who logs into each character to dump stuff in the crafting bag, tweaks the dyes on a couple of costumes and then carries on playing as normal, but I also have no idea if I'm representive of non-subscribers or not. Maybe other people really are charmed by the benefits or decide they cannot stand the thought of losing the crafting bag and start paying for it.

I wonder if ZOS are planning on doing away with Crown crates due to the the bad press press of loot boxes in gaming in general.

Having ESO+ exclusive items on the crown store guarantees additional income of at least 1 month for those who want an exclusive item - let’s say an Apex mount.

Wow I'm not subbing then

cheifsoap wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Thank you for sharing your concerns with us. Our goal is to provide our ESO Plus members with valuable benefits and exclusive offers on a more consistent cadence every month, instead of a few bonus rewards every once in a while.

In addition to the original ESO Plus membership benefits such as full DLC access and the Craft Bag, on November 13 we will launch additional monthly improvements to our ESO Plus membership. These new benefits - available only to paid ESO Plus members - include exclusive Crown Store items and deals, free in-game collectibles, and an increase to the monthly Crown stipend. If you haven't yet, you can learn more about them here.

Will any of this stuff be retroactive for us 6 mo. subscription members?

@cheifsoap @DjinnRa @cecibergesnrb18_ESO From the link Jess posted:

As an ESO Plus member, you will receive an additional 150 Crowns as part of your monthly stipend, bringing your total to 1650 per month. Note that if you are partly though a 3- or 6-month membership, you will be credited your bonus crowns by the end of November.

So it looks like you'll be getting a lump sum at the end of this month (150x the # of months you are into your subscription).

I cancelled mine. Gonna play a few days without, take the free week and then go til the game sucks without plus and resub. So, probably 3 or 4 days.

No tantrum or entitlement. Just taking the best deal on the table. I'm pretty sure new extra monthly benefits will still be available towards the end of the month.

No, ZOS is not obligated to give us the free crates we have become accustomed to.

That said, as a paying customer I can speak to what appeals to me and what doesn't (note that I'm not debating the merits of the existing Plus benefits. I sub because I like them. enough said on that).

So far I'm finding the new ESO plus benefits to be lackluster. The ability to buy something before the unwashed masses can? I couldn't care less. The Molag Bal statuette? Junk that I won't even bother claiming. The increased crown stipend? Fine but honestly minuscule. On the other hand, the free crates I actually looked forward to.

I'll still be subbing because the existing ESO Plus benefits have not changed, but the new stuff is pretty "meh" to me. OTOH, I don't really feel like value has been added to my sub for the most part. I'm not mad, I'm just not excited by any of this.

P.S. for those who will come in and give me the numbers to "prove" how much better the new plus is, please note that I am talking about a perception of value. I'm evaluating this as a consumer, not an accountant.

DjinnRa wrote: »

I wonder about this though:

"So, from November 13, as an existing paid member, you’ll be able to benefit from an increase of the monthly crown stipend from 1500 to 1650 crowns and enjoy a host of new, exclusive rewards every month."

For those of us with an active six month sub with a little over three months left on it before renewal, do we get the difference in the new crown amount per month or does it only begin when our sub renews? For example, my six month sub renews around the end of January so are they going to toss me a few hundred crowns now when Nov 13th hits?

I was wondering about this as well. If you buy in 3 or 6 month packages will we be retro-actively awarded this increased amount? Somehow, I sort of doubt it.

EQBallzz wrote: »

DjinnRa wrote: »

I wonder about this though:

"So, from November 13, as an existing paid member, you’ll be able to benefit from an increase of the monthly crown stipend from 1500 to 1650 crowns and enjoy a host of new, exclusive rewards every month."

For those of us with an active six month sub with a little over three months left on it before renewal, do we get the difference in the new crown amount per month or does it only begin when our sub renews? For example, my six month sub renews around the end of January so are they going to toss me a few hundred crowns now when Nov 13th hits?

I was wondering about this as well. If you buy in 3 or 6 month packages will we be retro-actively awarded this increased amount? Somehow, I sort of doubt it.

Hey @EQBallzz Check out my post a couple comments above yours!

xan4silkb14_ESO wrote: »

I believe the main purpose of this Free ESO+ time is so they can have an event centered around DLC content and allow everyone to participate. I don't need free crates to "make up" for the time I could have had my ESO+ sub without paying for it. I already elected to pay for ESO+ because of the benefits it offers, not for possible bonuses(free crates) at some later date.

I agree.

I imagine that all they want to do is allow those who don't have access to CWC to participate in the event, and I can also imagine the uproar if they hadn't done so. They already have in place a system that can be switched on to give access to CWC as part of an overall free trial, and may not have thought it worthwhile developing and testing a separate system that would just give access to CWC alone.