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How I'm I supposed to complete vMA with the current state of MagSorcs?
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »This kind of post is exactly what I was expecting as soon as they nerfed the shields and I think it is a real shame they did. And the idiotic responses it has received are no surprise either.
Of course this thread is full of people yelling "Get good", "I can do it on my (insert class/attrribute) character" or "I can get X score without using shields". But I can completely sympathize. Perhaps due to having some proprioceptive issues from when I was a kid I have never been particularly great at aspects of games that require quick reflexes, hence why I still suck at PvP. Suffice to say I really struggled with vMA until I found a one bar pet sorc build that allowed me to finally slog my way through it. I can now regularly get 500K+ scores and have manged to get the flawless title but if it wasn't for that build I wouldn't have been able to learn the mechanics and when to dodge, block or go hard on DPS.
Yes you can consider a shield a crutch, but so what, just spamming shields is not going to get you flawless and it isn't going to get you to the top of the leaderboard. What it is going to do is allow you to learn and get better by at least experiencing the full arena. By nerfing the shields ZOS took away that scaffolding. Sure, people will say you can just watch videos, do normal mode, rely on some proc set, or have someone coach you though it but that ignores the fact that the best type of learning is doing and you aren't learning anything if you are overwhelmed and dead.
Many thanks to the posters here offering good solid advice to OP. Too all you "elite" players with your "get good" comments: Grow up.
How about YOU grow up and understand the concept of balance and fair play? Shields were nerfed in PvE because it was allowing you to survive damage that you SHOULDN'T, but melee stamina players died to the same damage, as a result trials were full of ranged magicka players that used shields, because they did more with less issues.
vMA was never a point of balance, vMA at its current state is so easy that you don't even need to make a PvE build for it. Understand it already, finishing vMA isn't even considered as an achievement anymore. People only really do it at this point for the very few weapons that are still viable(vMA bow, the mandatory stamina cheese)
I did vMA as a cp 270 stamina player, with no mechanical knowledge, as a heavy armor stamina Dk in PvP gear, all the way back in one tamriel. All I needed to do was read a guide on the forums and the rest was just practice, 10-20 deaths and I had my first vMA weapon.
Since then vMA got about 5 times easier to finish, so this whole thread is a meme.
High blood pressure alert right there! Hehe dood...
Hard to say if you wanted to make a point or just brag. Rude and unnecessary. It's ok to be a tryhard but do it quietly, please. Nobody likes tryhard, you can believe me on this one.
Much love
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »This kind of post is exactly what I was expecting as soon as they nerfed the shields and I think it is a real shame they did. And the idiotic responses it has received are no surprise either.
Of course this thread is full of people yelling "Get good", "I can do it on my (insert class/attrribute) character" or "I can get X score without using shields". But I can completely sympathize. Perhaps due to having some proprioceptive issues from when I was a kid I have never been particularly great at aspects of games that require quick reflexes, hence why I still suck at PvP. Suffice to say I really struggled with vMA until I found a one bar pet sorc build that allowed me to finally slog my way through it. I can now regularly get 500K+ scores and have manged to get the flawless title but if it wasn't for that build I wouldn't have been able to learn the mechanics and when to dodge, block or go hard on DPS.
Yes you can consider a shield a crutch, but so what, just spamming shields is not going to get you flawless and it isn't going to get you to the top of the leaderboard. What it is going to do is allow you to learn and get better by at least experiencing the full arena. By nerfing the shields ZOS took away that scaffolding. Sure, people will say you can just watch videos, do normal mode, rely on some proc set, or have someone coach you though it but that ignores the fact that the best type of learning is doing and you aren't learning anything if you are overwhelmed and dead.
Many thanks to the posters here offering good solid advice to OP. Too all you "elite" players with your "get good" comments: Grow up.
How about YOU grow up and understand the concept of balance and fair play? Shields were nerfed in PvE because it was allowing you to survive damage that you SHOULDN'T, but melee stamina players died to the same damage, as a result trials were full of ranged magicka players that used shields, because they did more with less issues.
vMA was never a point of balance, vMA at its current state is so easy that you don't even need to make a PvE build for it. Understand it already, finishing vMA isn't even considered as an achievement anymore. People only really do it at this point for the very few weapons that are still viable(vMA bow, the mandatory stamina cheese)
I did vMA as a cp 270 stamina player, with no mechanical knowledge, as a heavy armor stamina Dk in PvP gear, all the way back in one tamriel. All I needed to do was read a guide on the forums and the rest was just practice, 10-20 deaths and I had my first vMA weapon.
Since then vMA got about 5 times easier to finish, so this whole thread is a meme.
High blood pressure alert right there! Hehe dood...
Hard to say if you wanted to make a point or just brag. Rude and unnecessary. It's ok to be a tryhard but do it quietly, please. Nobody likes tryhard, you can believe me on this one.
Much love
Sometimes I feel like some people are tryhards at being casuals, as odd as that soundsValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake3 -
ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »This kind of post is exactly what I was expecting as soon as they nerfed the shields and I think it is a real shame they did. And the idiotic responses it has received are no surprise either.
Of course this thread is full of people yelling "Get good", "I can do it on my (insert class/attrribute) character" or "I can get X score without using shields". But I can completely sympathize. Perhaps due to having some proprioceptive issues from when I was a kid I have never been particularly great at aspects of games that require quick reflexes, hence why I still suck at PvP. Suffice to say I really struggled with vMA until I found a one bar pet sorc build that allowed me to finally slog my way through it. I can now regularly get 500K+ scores and have manged to get the flawless title but if it wasn't for that build I wouldn't have been able to learn the mechanics and when to dodge, block or go hard on DPS.
Yes you can consider a shield a crutch, but so what, just spamming shields is not going to get you flawless and it isn't going to get you to the top of the leaderboard. What it is going to do is allow you to learn and get better by at least experiencing the full arena. By nerfing the shields ZOS took away that scaffolding. Sure, people will say you can just watch videos, do normal mode, rely on some proc set, or have someone coach you though it but that ignores the fact that the best type of learning is doing and you aren't learning anything if you are overwhelmed and dead.
Many thanks to the posters here offering good solid advice to OP. Too all you "elite" players with your "get good" comments: Grow up.
How about YOU grow up and understand the concept of balance and fair play? Shields were nerfed in PvE because it was allowing you to survive damage that you SHOULDN'T, but melee stamina players died to the same damage, as a result trials were full of ranged magicka players that used shields, because they did more with less issues.
vMA was never a point of balance, vMA at its current state is so easy that you don't even need to make a PvE build for it. Understand it already, finishing vMA isn't even considered as an achievement anymore. People only really do it at this point for the very few weapons that are still viable(vMA bow, the mandatory stamina cheese)
I did vMA as a cp 270 stamina player, with no mechanical knowledge, as a heavy armor stamina Dk in PvP gear, all the way back in one tamriel. All I needed to do was read a guide on the forums and the rest was just practice, 10-20 deaths and I had my first vMA weapon.
Since then vMA got about 5 times easier to finish, so this whole thread is a meme.
High blood pressure alert right there! Hehe dood...
Hard to say if you wanted to make a point or just brag. Rude and unnecessary. It's ok to be a tryhard but do it quietly, please. Nobody likes tryhard, you can believe me on this one.
Much love
Sometimes I feel like some people are tryhards at being casuals, as odd as that sounds
That may be my case on most days, and that's not that odd if you think about it. It's a balancing act against people trying to force the fun out of their game. Every action comes with reaction. If you say "you have to do this in order to enjoy the game" I'll make a point 10/10 of times in doing the opposite and still have fun.
I'm totally at fault being a try hard casual, I just happen to be skilled enough to handle myself in most pve content... Quoting Doc Holliday, my hypocrisy only goes so far.
Not here to make enemies.3 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Title.
Just how? I dont have shields anymore!
Should I invest all in health and just ignore DPS? I really don't know what to do. I won't roll a new char, I want to play MY sorcerer ZOS.
Any ideas?
You do have a shield. In fact, you have access to 3 of them.
You've already giving up before you tried: you expecting failure and refusing to recognize a key defensive skill that your class has.
As for how, I use exactly the same set-up with the same approach as before Murkmire. If you find the old double destro approach keeps getting you killed, well that's perhaps to be expected as that build invests absolutely nothing into defense.
I have for years been using a restoration staff backbar and that set-up works just fine.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.7 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭to answer your quesion, you arnt. sorc is dead, its zos fault. retreat, tend the wounds and come to fight zos another dayto answer your quesion, you arnt. sorc is dead, its zos fault. retreat, tend the wounds and come to fight zos another day
Its quite sad seeing a class underperforming like this and all the devs do is nerf, but what can we do besides cancel our subscription? Nothing.
There have been some great responses in this thread. Mostly that we can make some adjustments in our builds and strive for more careful play. Complaining about that good advice will not help get anyone their next vMA clear.3 -
Malem_Benign✭✭✭Spec more damage or make a new class
"I'm too stubborn to make changes"
Sounds like the typical whiner on the forums
Yeah, you're totally right.
And it's less likely that someone just forces somebody to spoil all new portion of lifetime and money to get all the same result as before either way.
Nah, just coincidence. Doubt devs can play such nasty tricks. No way!Edited by Malem_Benign on October 27, 2018 11:10PM0 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, you cannot just afk shield through mechanics that are designed to kill you anymore, like round 7 poison.0331
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TheDarkoil✭✭✭I felt the same but after testing a lot of content with the new shield I still can do everything I could before, the old shield system was crazy overpowered, would let my character take a 40k hit, new lets me take a 25k hit. I've actually swapped out out shields now and I'm still not having any issues staying alive, got a nice dps boost as well.2
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Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »This kind of post is exactly what I was expecting as soon as they nerfed the shields and I think it is a real shame they did. And the idiotic responses it has received are no surprise either.
Of course this thread is full of people yelling "Get good", "I can do it on my (insert class/attrribute) character" or "I can get X score without using shields". But I can completely sympathize. Perhaps due to having some proprioceptive issues from when I was a kid I have never been particularly great at aspects of games that require quick reflexes, hence why I still suck at PvP. Suffice to say I really struggled with vMA until I found a one bar pet sorc build that allowed me to finally slog my way through it. I can now regularly get 500K+ scores and have manged to get the flawless title but if it wasn't for that build I wouldn't have been able to learn the mechanics and when to dodge, block or go hard on DPS.
Yes you can consider a shield a crutch, but so what, just spamming shields is not going to get you flawless and it isn't going to get you to the top of the leaderboard. What it is going to do is allow you to learn and get better by at least experiencing the full arena. By nerfing the shields ZOS took away that scaffolding. Sure, people will say you can just watch videos, do normal mode, rely on some proc set, or have someone coach you though it but that ignores the fact that the best type of learning is doing and you aren't learning anything if you are overwhelmed and dead.
Many thanks to the posters here offering good solid advice to OP. Too all you "elite" players with your "get good" comments: Grow up.
How about YOU grow up and understand the concept of balance and fair play? Shields were nerfed in PvE because it was allowing you to survive damage that you SHOULDN'T, but melee stamina players died to the same damage, as a result trials were full of ranged magicka players that used shields, because they did more with less issues.
vMA was never a point of balance, vMA at its current state is so easy that you don't even need to make a PvE build for it. Understand it already, finishing vMA isn't even considered as an achievement anymore. People only really do it at this point for the very few weapons that are still viable(vMA bow, the mandatory stamina cheese)
I did vMA as a cp 270 stamina player, with no mechanical knowledge, as a heavy armor stamina Dk in PvP gear, all the way back in one tamriel. All I needed to do was read a guide on the forums and the rest was just practice, 10-20 deaths and I had my first vMA weapon.
Since then vMA got about 5 times easier to finish, so this whole thread is a meme.
High blood pressure alert right there! Hehe dood...
Hard to say if you wanted to make a point or just brag. Rude and unnecessary. It's ok to be a tryhard but do it quietly, please. Nobody likes tryhard, you can believe me on this one.
Much love
The person I quite is literally calling people that has a different opinion as ''idiotic'', talks about how he has no skill(again, his own words) yet thanks to shields he got a 500k score, yet I get called a bragging rude person.
Also I don't know why you get the impression that I'm salty about this or something. I'm just very suprised that people still use vMA as a justification for well... anything really. Since its pretty outdated. Though judging by the way you talk your goal is not to prove a point but to insult me.
Lastly, I couldn't really care less of if people here like me or not.
much love, such wow.Edited by Ragnarock41 on October 28, 2018 4:34PM1 -
GDOFWR420✭✭✭✭Just pretend your a magdk, you'll figure it out, lol. Jk
Shields that bad now huh? I'm on console so not feeling the new patch blues yet.1 -
Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭To the people belittling the OP because of his choice of class:
- Shields as a crutch? I did not know that shields killed things, and vma is all about killing things.
- Weird how MagSorc has not been the choice for new vma runners for a while... that role has gone to STAMsorc. Weird eh? how a stamina is better at a PvE content that Magicka?
- Stamina is one of the few that can throw on heavy armor and actually do enough dps.
- Stamina was the first clear in vma. A stamina DK if I don't recall entirely wrong.
- He is asking for advice, and your advice is to reroll? relevel mages, fighters, undaunted, psijic and alliance war, all because someone FELT that magicka was superior. Even tho stamina has had the highest score for a while.
- Everyone knows that Vigor + infinite dodge roll / break free / block is better than shields
- To the ones point out that magicka has been superior in PvE: How wierd that mag has been the FILLERS of trial teams since morrowind launch, and if you're about to point out mini-trials. That day and age is gone. Stamina is better there now as well.
Actually useful tips to the OP:
- Iceheart set
- Use Prismatic Enchants on big parts
- Use tri-pots
- keep surge up and only waste a GCD on shields if more than 3 mobs are attacking you. You will gain more defence out of attacking anyway.
- Use a lightning staff for wall (Off-balance is a nice small stun)
- Try to learn what to deal with first / were stuff spawns. (This is hard, but makes the content extremely easy once mastered)
Apart from that the usual: Make sure to use Lover, One recovery glyph might help, and last but the greatest tip; TIME, spend tons and tons of TIME.
Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.1 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭To the people belittling the OP because of his choice of class:
- Shields as a crutch? I did not know that shields killed things, and vma is all about killing things.
- Weird how MagSorc has not been the choice for new vma runners for a while... that role has gone to STAMsorc. Weird eh? how a stamina is better at a PvE content that Magicka?
- Stamina is one of the few that can throw on heavy armor and actually do enough dps.
- Stamina was the first clear in vma. A stamina DK if I don't recall entirely wrong.
- He is asking for advice, and your advice is to reroll? relevel mages, fighters, undaunted, psijic and alliance war, all because someone FELT that magicka was superior. Even tho stamina has had the highest score for a while.
- Everyone knows that Vigor + infinite dodge roll / break free / block is better than shields
- To the ones point out that magicka has been superior in PvE: How wierd that mag has been the FILLERS of trial teams since morrowind launch, and if you're about to point out mini-trials. That day and age is gone. Stamina is better there now as well.
Actually useful tips to the OP:
- Iceheart set
- Use Prismatic Enchants on big parts
- Use tri-pots
- keep surge up and only waste a GCD on shields if more than 3 mobs are attacking you. You will gain more defence out of attacking anyway.
- Use a lightning staff for wall (Off-balance is a nice small stun)
- Try to learn what to deal with first / were stuff spawns. (This is hard, but makes the content extremely easy once mastered)
Apart from that the usual: Make sure to use Lover, One recovery glyph might help, and last but the greatest tip; TIME, spend tons and tons of TIME.
No one is belittling OP for class selection.
Everyone is belittling OP for either a) being unable to properly learn the arena b) suggesting it can't be done on magsorc.0331
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Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OP is legitimately complaining about ZOS stripping half his defence away. And I understand his frustration. Sorcs cant just 'heal'.. Our heal has the worst proc condition, critt dmg. The pet people like to point out costs 2 bar slots and dies by even a overland mob.
I see alot of bad tips here...
- reroll
- resto staff
- heavy armor
Why should he, just because he is a sorc, have to run optimized for defence when no other class have to? And how does rerolling fix anything? His main class will still be useless.
And to the stamboys thinking vma is any harder on stam than mag.... What world do you live in? A player new too vma will struggle no matter if magicka or stamina...Cleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You are still wildly more powerful on a mag Sorc today than any class was at launch for VMA. L2P.5 -
usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭OP is legitimately complaining about ZOS stripping half his defence away. And I understand his frustration. Sorcs cant just 'heal'.. Our heal has the worst proc condition, critt dmg. The pet people like to point out costs 2 bar slots and dies by even a overland mob.
I see alot of bad tips here...
- reroll
- resto staff
- heavy armor
Why should he, just because he is a sorc, have to run optimized for defence when no other class have to? And how does rerolling fix anything? His main class will still be useless.
And to the stamboys thinking vma is any harder on stam than mag.... What world do you live in? A player new too vma will struggle no matter if magicka or stamina...
Optimized for defense? Running a resto with one skill is optimized for defense lol?
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Kikke✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »You are still wildly more powerful on a mag Sorc today than any class was at launch for VMA. L2P.
Weird how both templar and dk cleared it before sorc... Weird indeed.usmcjdking wrote: »OP is legitimately complaining about ZOS stripping half his defence away. And I understand his frustration. Sorcs cant just 'heal'.. Our heal has the worst proc condition, critt dmg. The pet people like to point out costs 2 bar slots and dies by even a overland mob.
I see alot of bad tips here...
- reroll
- resto staff
- heavy armor
Why should he, just because he is a sorc, have to run optimized for defence when no other class have to? And how does rerolling fix anything? His main class will still be useless.
And to the stamboys thinking vma is any harder on stam than mag.... What world do you live in? A player new too vma will struggle no matter if magicka or stamina...
Optimized for defense? Running a resto with one skill is optimized for defense lol?
Surge, shield, resto shield (that no longer has initial heal)
3 slots for defence vs stams 1 (vigor)Edited by Kikke on October 28, 2018 4:32AMCleared Trials:
- vAA HM - vHRC HM - vSO HM - vMoL HM - vHoF HM - vAS HM - vCR HM -
"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
-Someone said it, I guess.1 -
ChunkyCat✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Androconium wrote: »Title.
Just how? I dont have shields anymore!
Should I invest all in health and just ignore DPS? I really don't know what to do. I won't roll a new char, I want to play MY sorcerer ZOS.
Any ideas?
You missed it. You are supposed to reinvest time in learning a different strategy.
Don't forget to renew your subscription. 0 -
Parrot1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭To the people belittling the OP because of his choice of class:
- Shields as a crutch? I did not know that shields killed things, and vma is all about killing things.
- Weird how MagSorc has not been the choice for new vma runners for a while... that role has gone to STAMsorc. Weird eh? how a stamina is better at a PvE content that Magicka?
- Stamina is one of the few that can throw on heavy armor and actually do enough dps.
- Stamina was the first clear in vma. A stamina DK if I don't recall entirely wrong.
- He is asking for advice, and your advice is to reroll? relevel mages, fighters, undaunted, psijic and alliance war, all because someone FELT that magicka was superior. Even tho stamina has had the highest score for a while.
- Everyone knows that Vigor + infinite dodge roll / break free / block is better than shields
- To the ones point out that magicka has been superior in PvE: How wierd that mag has been the FILLERS of trial teams since morrowind launch, and if you're about to point out mini-trials. That day and age is gone. Stamina is better there now as well.
Actually useful tips to the OP:
- Iceheart set
- Use Prismatic Enchants on big parts
- Use tri-pots
- keep surge up and only waste a GCD on shields if more than 3 mobs are attacking you. You will gain more defence out of attacking anyway.
- Use a lightning staff for wall (Off-balance is a nice small stun)
- Try to learn what to deal with first / were stuff spawns. (This is hard, but makes the content extremely easy once mastered)
Apart from that the usual: Make sure to use Lover, One recovery glyph might help, and last but the greatest tip; TIME, spend tons and tons of TIME.
Whilst I agree with all your points, mag sorc was the first clear of VMA. Alcast got the 1st stam clear of VMA I believe and stamina had a way rougher time in VMA than Magika initially.
Now definitely not so bad especially stam sorc although I’d still say clearing for the 1st time on a mag character is still easier than some stamina. once your comfortable with it stam definitely becomes easier to get higher scores.
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usmcjdking✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »You are still wildly more powerful on a mag Sorc today than any class was at launch for VMA. L2P.
Weird how both templar and dk cleared it before sorc... Weird indeed.usmcjdking wrote: »OP is legitimately complaining about ZOS stripping half his defence away. And I understand his frustration. Sorcs cant just 'heal'.. Our heal has the worst proc condition, critt dmg. The pet people like to point out costs 2 bar slots and dies by even a overland mob.
I see alot of bad tips here...
- reroll
- resto staff
- heavy armor
Why should he, just because he is a sorc, have to run optimized for defence when no other class have to? And how does rerolling fix anything? His main class will still be useless.
And to the stamboys thinking vma is any harder on stam than mag.... What world do you live in? A player new too vma will struggle no matter if magicka or stamina...
Optimized for defense? Running a resto with one skill is optimized for defense lol?
Surge, shield, resto shield (that no longer has initial heal)
3 slots for defence vs stams 1 (vigor)
Why would you slot Hardened on top of Healing Ward
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code65536✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stamina was the first clear in vma. A stamina DK if I don't recall entirely wrong.
@kikkehs Your memory of vMA's history is incorrect. First vMA clear was Dymence on his magsorc. In that same thread, you can see Alcast and Dymence saying that they can see how any mag can clear it, but aren't sure how stam could do vMA. At the time, stamina was considered to be much more difficult. In those days, Vigor required Centurion Grade 2 (plus AP gains were much, much lower in those days) and was inaccessible to most players. Surge did not work on DoTs or channeled abilities (like Flurry), so stamsorcs couldn't rely on a stream of healing like they do today (stamsorcs instead used crit charge to proc Surge). The 2H heal was really the only viable heal for most stamina players, whereas any magicka player could slot a resto. (Almost all of the early vMA stam clears were done with 2H)Edited by code65536 on October 28, 2018 10:49AMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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✭✭Stamina was the first clear in vma. A stamina DK if I don't recall entirely wrong.
@kikkehs Your memory of vMA's history is incorrect. First vMA clear was Dymence on his magsorc. In that same thread, you can see Alcast and Dymence saying that they can see how any mag can clear it, but aren't sure how stam could do vMA. At the time, stamina was considered to be much more difficult. In those days, Vigor required Centurion Grade 2 (plus AP gains were much, much lower in those days) and was inaccessible to most players. Surge did not work on DoTs or channeled abilities (like Flurry), so stamsorcs couldn't rely on a stream of healing like they do today (stamsorcs instead used crit charge to proc Surge). The 2H heal was really the only viable heal for most stamina players, whereas any magicka player could slot a resto. (Almost all of the early vMA stam clears were done with 2H)
You are actually entirely correct! It was a magsorc first. A magsorc while surge still gave heal based on the dmg it did, shields lasted twice as long, twice as strong and we did not have any sustain issues. Damn, forgot those awesome times xD Second clear was a DK, my bad.Cleared Trials:
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"The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step, and a lot of bitching."
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CrimsonGTX✭✭✭You should still be able to beat vMA with ease even with the shield change, of course this depends on your level of play. If you depend on your shield a lot in the past, this update will hurt you and you'd have to re-do your build setup. Now if you're an advanced player it's highly likely you won't notice any change in vMA and you probably don't have a shield slotted anyway.
I personally never felt shields was the reason why Sorcs have easy time in there, their AOE damage along with surge for heals are the strong points for me(which is why I felt Stam Sorc was my easiest run in vMA). I'd recommend maybe try using IceHeart monster set and see if your survival is better. I don't know what gear you're wearing, but maybe try one of these combos.
Non-Pet: Spinners + Mother Sorrow w/IceHeart
Pet: Necro + Sorrow w/IceHeart.
I'm assuming you have a vMA staff already on your backbar, also try putting a health enchant on the monster helm.Sorc & Warden Main - PC NA(CP 1k+) & Xbox NA (CP 1k+)0 -
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Mag sorcs are not unplayable. Hes complaining about shields and not trying to complete it on another character
Theres a player who completed vma on his mag sorc without a shield slotted so shields are absolutely not necessary
Theres sigils for a reason. And also, if you're not killing stuff quick enough, of course all the incoming damage will be greater
Again, being stubborn and not pushing through it or considering another class0 -
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Just how? I dont have shields anymore!
Should I invest all in health and just ignore DPS? I really don't know what to do. I won't roll a new char, I want to play MY sorcerer ZOS.
Any ideas?
Use empowered or hardened ward like usual, but learn to rely less on it. I realize it's difficult, I can already see the problems in survivability when I play with my mag toons. With a big shield we could just face-tank incoming damage in vMA and elsewhere, so it allowed more room for precision-imperfect play, and also helped in groups when for example rezzing someone while getting hit by damage, etc. The new shields almost feel not worth slotting... but that just means we have to be more mobile and quick in avoiding damage... basically like melee playstyles (but without the melee damage
). So for vMA, be mindful of not missing blocks, and 'dance' more to avoid damage. If you find your shield too weak, maybe you can use a restoration staff on the back bar until you get used to it. Also, another option, if you can afford the bar space, is to use Bound Aegis/Boundless Storm, for Major/Minor Ward and Ressolve which will help with resistances. 0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
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Mag sorcs are not unplayable. Hes complaining about shields and not trying to complete it on another character
Theres a player who completed vma on his mag sorc without a shield slotted so shields are absolutely not necessary
Theres sigils for a reason. And also, if you're not killing stuff quick enough, of course all the incoming damage will be greater
Again, being stubborn and not pushing through it or considering another class
"Considering another class" is basically admitting that Sorc is nearly unplayable though.
Again, why can he not simply use his Mag Sorc? At the high end, vMA can be done without shields (in fact its encouraged). At the mid level though, Sorc doesnt have enough self healing to get through vMA. Before this was a non-issue with shields. Now that shields are made of tissue paper it is a big issue.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1
