How I'm I supposed to complete vMA with the current state of MagSorcs?

Revokus · October 2018

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Istyar wrote: »

Title.

Just how? I dont have shields anymore!
Should I invest all in health and just ignore DPS? I really don't know what to do. I won't roll a new char, I want to play MY sorcerer ZOS.

Any ideas?

Giving up some damage for survivability is exactly what the devs wanted since you should absolutely not be able to go full damage without sacrifices on other aspects. Otherwise you would have everyone full damage, full tank and full heal, at once. If it sounds stupid, that's because it is.

Stamblade and Stamsorc would like a word with you.

Yeah wtf can’t believe people try to justify this...who else has to put points in health or build for tankyness in vMA lmao ??? None and especially not stam builds smh........

pod88kk · October 2018

Adapt

Istyar · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Spec more damage or make a new class

"I'm too stubborn to make changes"

Sounds like the typical whiner on the forums

To be fair, why shouldn't his magicka Sorcerer be viable?

There is no GOOD reason why even one class has to be unplayable, let alone at least one per DLC

Magicka Sorcerer is more than viable and doesn't need shields to complete VMA. Claiming Mag Sorc isn't viable in VMA is 100% L2P.

And that's not what I responded to. I responded to a post saying that because OP doesn't want to switch to a new class he/she is "whining"

I think the point of the post you responded to was that the OP should spec for more damage. If the OP still had trouble with more damage in his/her spec, then maybe switch classes as it might be a user problem related to how the class is being played more so than the viability of the class to do the content. I do not read that as the poster claiming that the OP should only switch, but should switch if more damage does not fix the situation.

Kingslayer513 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Spec more damage or make a new class

"I'm too stubborn to make changes"

Sounds like the typical whiner on the forums

To be fair, why shouldn't his magicka Sorcerer be viable?

There is no GOOD reason why even one class has to be unplayable, let alone at least one per DLC

Magicka Sorcerer is more than viable and doesn't need shields to complete VMA. Claiming Mag Sorc isn't viable in VMA is 100% L2P.

And that's not what I responded to. I responded to a post saying that because OP doesn't want to switch to a new class he/she is "whining"

Nah, you responded to a post saying spec more damage or make a new class instead of whining. Don't exaggerate.

The OP is speccing for damage. He is wondering if he should spec more into defense because he doesn't have his shields anymore

Exactly.

I'm running 5 light/2 heavy (Ice Heart)
I'll consider the good advices in this tread, such as sloting psijic skill.
Changeing class/race is not a option, I just wanna complete it with the char I have since the beta.

Thank you guys.

Darkenarlol · October 2018

just pay more attention to mechanics

did runs on magden magplar magblade and magsorc since nerfmire

i always counted magsorc as worst one for vma just due to lacking of defence layers
(only shield and surge where others have multiple layers of hots and/or on-demand heals.
for example you can faceroll vma on magden with leeching vines)

some surviving tips for not pro-flawless-score-runner

- Iceheart helps... alot

- you can sacrifice some dps and slot resto staff for hots (actually not even a dps loss, just not common dps skill loadout)

- shielding enchants on bar where your wall of elements placed can be helpfull
( infused staff, procs shields every 2 sec from weapon skill line which is WoE)

- remove your bastion points (if there still any) and get some res/mitigation bonus instead

- raise your health to comfortable amount (many oneshots are actually not oneshots, they just looks like
oneshots with that old meta 16k hp. on ~19k you can survive many things that killed you before)

El_Borracho · October 2018

As a stam DK reading this post who has suffered in vMA I can only laugh. Poor guy. Maybe give Mario Kart a spin.

Valrien · October 2018

El_Borracho wrote: »

As a stam DK reading this post who has suffered in vMA I can only laugh. Poor guy. Maybe give Mario Kart a spin.

Wow. Someone with access to Vigor and numerous rolls calling something hard lol...

Istyar · October 2018

El_Borracho wrote: »

As a stam DK reading this post who has suffered in vMA I can only laugh. Poor guy. Maybe give Mario Kart a spin.

Exactly what I'm doing tonight lol

Istyar · October 2018

Darkenarlol wrote: »

just pay more attention to mechanics

did runs on magden magplar magblade and magsorc since nerfmire

i always counted magsorc as worst one for vma just due to lacking of defence layers
(only shield and surge where others have multiple layers of hots and/or on-demand heals.
for example you can faceroll vma on magden with leeching vines)

some surviving tips for not pro-flawless-score-runner

- Iceheart helps... alot

- you can sacrifice some dps and slot resto staff for hots (actually not even a dps loss, just not common dps skill loadout)

- shielding enchants on bar where your wall of elements placed can be helpfull
( infused staff, procs shields every 2 sec from weapon skill line which is WoE)

- remove your bastion points (if there still any) and get some res/mitigation bonus instead

- raise your health to comfortable amount (many oneshots are actually not oneshots, they just looks like
oneshots with that old meta 16k hp. on ~19k you can survive many things that killed you before)

Thank you! I didn't think about shield enchants, it's a nice idea

Darkenarlol · October 2018

El_Borracho wrote: »

As a stam DK reading this post who has suffered in vMA...

what can i say...

El_Borracho wrote: »

Poor guy.

why suffer? maybe use your own advise and

El_Borracho wrote: »

give Mario Kart a spin.

ezio45 · October 2018

to answer your quesion, you arnt. sorc is dead, its zos fault. retreat, tend the wounds and come to fight zos another day

Istyar · October 2018

ezio45 wrote: »

to answer your quesion, you arnt. sorc is dead, its zos fault. retreat, tend the wounds and come to fight zos another day

Its quite sad seeing a class underperforming like this and all the devs do is nerf, but what can we do besides cancel our subscription? Nothing.

ezio45 · October 2018

Istyar wrote: »

ezio45 wrote: »

to answer your quesion, you arnt. sorc is dead, its zos fault. retreat, tend the wounds and come to fight zos another day

ezio45 wrote: »

to answer your quesion, you arnt. sorc is dead, its zos fault. retreat, tend the wounds and come to fight zos another day

Its quite sad seeing a class underperforming like this and all the devs do is nerf, but what can we do besides cancel our subscription? Nothing.

post angrily on the forums and sleep, thats what ive been doing

Darkenarlol · October 2018

ezio45 wrote: »

post angrily on the forums and sleep, thats what ive been doing

no problem, it is not so easy to recover your good mood since nerfmire, GN

jypcy · October 2018

Magsorc is fine. In fact...

LeagueTroll wrote: »

I duuno man, just got 550k on stam sorc. Too bad you insist to do on mag.

It’s doing better than stam sorc

LeagueTroll · October 2018

jypcy wrote: »

Magsorc is fine. In fact...

LeagueTroll wrote: »

I duuno man, just got 550k on stam sorc. Too bad you insist to do on mag.

It’s doing better than stam sorc

https://imgur.com/gallery/fYJLpjC

Ramber · October 2018

when i couldnt complete it on a NB over 3 years ago after 3 months of trying i didnt cry about it, I simply made a stamsorc and finished it no problem.... now ive finished it on 7 diff toons... just learn another toon and get it done via trial and error like everyone else. learn the mechanics its not that hard if u put the time in

There are plenty of guides and video help out there too.

jypcy · October 2018

LeagueTroll wrote: »

jypcy wrote: »

Magsorc is fine. In fact...

LeagueTroll wrote: »

I duuno man, just got 550k on stam sorc. Too bad you insist to do on mag.

It’s doing better than stam sorc

https://imgur.com/gallery/fYJLpjC

lol was that the murkmire run you were referencing? If so I done got myself played.

But the point is that you can still beat vMA on magsorc in murkmire. Keep at it, OP!

AbysmalGhul · October 2018

You're going to have to take some risk and not play so defensively. Shields are a tool and not a safety blanket.

MLGProPlayer · October 2018

All magicka classes are in the same boat. We all relied just as much on shields. Sorcs aren't unique.

code65536 · October 2018

jaws343 wrote: »

code65536 wrote: »

Just play as before. You'll have less margin of error, and it'll require more careful play.

The people at the top of the vMA leaderboards rarely use their shields and sometimes don't even slot a shield.

I'm not saying that it'll be easy, though. It'll take a bit of getting used to and more awareness about the sources of damage. But it's doable, no changes necessary.

Also, as someone pointed out, the best way to avoid damage in vMA is to kill things before they can damage you. So sacrificing DPS is not recommended.

Lol. The ridiculousness of this post.

OP "I am having a hard time playing with the shield changes"

This post: "Well you just have to perform like someone at the top of the leaderboards"

I am sure those top tier leaderboards players all started out playing like that immediately and didn't need any time to get better with their build, more likely than not using shields to do so.

@jaws343

(1) I did say it won't be easy. It'll take some acclimation. That's just the reality that ZOS handed them.

(2) People are acting like shields are entirely gone. They aren't. You still have a shield. In terms of nominal strength, my shield is now about half of what it used to be. Then I regained about 20% of that in effective strength due to them being subject to resistances (a typical light armor DD will resistances worth about 20% mitigation), so in the end, their shields took a 40% strength nerf (1-0.5*1.2 = 0.4). It's significant, but shields are not worthless, and they can still save you.

(3) No, I am not one of those top leaderboard players. I slot and use a shield. It's not going to last as long as before, and I have to be more careful with it. I mentioned that only as an example: "On that end of the spectrum, these shield nerfs have virtually zero impact." You don't have to be at that end of the spectrum, though. For the average player, yes, the shield nerf will hurt. But it's not the end of the world.

Finally, this is the hand that ZOS dealt players. They did this knowing that it'll make this kind of content harder. I'm just stating the reality: That players will have less margin of error and will need to be more careful. Judging from the fit that you just threw, you don't like that, but it is what it is. Being snarky with me won't change any of that.

(PS: When vMA first launched, Annulment couldn't block physical damage. In those days, if you weren't a magsorc, you basically didn't really have a shield. It helps to have a little perspective, because even with these nerfs, things are not nearly as bad as what they used to be.)

GreenHere · October 2018

Maybe I just missed it, but I can't believe no one has suggested this:

Use more Prismatic Defense glyphs!

It's the easiest and quickest adjustment you can make to your current build. You sacrifice a bit of magicka for both more health and stamina. The extra stam in particular will serve you well in vMA; block/dodge things you previously shielded through, and you'll find you're pretty much right where you were before the patch.

ZonasArch · October 2018

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

All magicka classes are in the same boat. We all relied just as much on shields. Sorcs aren't unique.

Not true at all.

TheValar85 · October 2018

99% of your comment on this guy issue is comming from elitism and that is disgusting and not helping him/her at all.
You all started at somewhere before you got good at it, so leav this sheet behind okay? And try to actualy be helpful for him/her. instead of beeing a prick.

Ragnarock41 · October 2018

Like how I do on my stamDk with no resistances or shields whatsoever. By doing good dps.

The better your dps is the easier it gets because the faster you kill things the less you have to worry about mechanics. Even for a slow melee class like Dk this holds true.

starkerealm · October 2018

GreenHere wrote: »

Maybe I just missed it, but I can't believe no one has suggested this:

Use more Prismatic Defense glyphs!

It's the easiest and quickest adjustment you can make to your current build. You sacrifice a bit of magicka for both more health and stamina. The extra stam in particular will serve you well in vMA; block/dodge things you previously shielded through, and you'll find you're pretty much right where you were before the patch.

It gets overlooked because most people think Prismatic is just for Tanks and PvP. Nobody thinks about it for PvE at all. Also, yeah, can confirm, prismatic glyphs are so nice for mag sorcs now, not just in vMA.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO · October 2018

Valrien wrote: »

SoLooney wrote: »

Spec more damage or make a new class

"I'm too stubborn to make changes"

Sounds like the typical whiner on the forums

To be fair, why shouldn't his magicka Sorcerer be viable?

There is no GOOD reason why even one class has to be unplayable, let alone at least one per DLC

No one is saying he can’t play his class you just can’t skip the mechanics as a Sorc with no first through to defense. If a mDK can clear it anyone can.
Honestly having to learn to fight smart and not just shield tank your way pass everything is a very weak argument.

MaxJrFTW · October 2018

Classic case of a player who got carried by shields. Poor guy is lost now that he can't double his hp with the touch of a button.

D0PAMINE · October 2018

I still havn't finished it but advice i've been given which has been posted here:

Chuden or Iceheart, Damage dealing skills that heal, 20k health as a start to find your comfort zone, Lingering health as well as spell power/crit/mag potions, Prismatic Glyphs, 81 CP in ironclad (make sure your CP is optimized and not wasted), sigils too.

DMuehlhausen · October 2018

SoLooney wrote: »

Spec more damage or make a new class

"I'm too stubborn to make changes"

Sounds like the typical whiner on the forums

Love how these types of posts have become more common now after the patch

spartaxoxo · October 2018

ccmedaddy wrote: »

- shielding enchants on bar where your wall of elements placed can be helpfull
( infused staff, procs shields every 2 sec from weapon skill line which is WoE)

What does WoE mean?