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Why are there more players on the PC Servers than Console servers?
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Yes, don't seen it has changed much, how do you even know the population with megaserver, the only thing you can know is how many plays in Cyrodil at once.While addons are an attraction for many players, not all PC players use them.
As for relative numbers, the only official information given that I can recall were to the effect that the numbers were roughly equal across the three platforms, but that was some time ago.
Some other reasons might be that other trading hubs are more popular on some platforms.
Edited by zaria on September 24, 2018 11:29AMGrinding just make you go in circles.
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✭✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »because we're mostly adults
You're saying adults don't play on console?
Heads up... I stopped playing PC games with Oblivion because it got too expensive to continually upgrade a PC. More of my ESO friends - console players also - are adults than not. Could I afford a PC capable of running ESO now? Sure, but a) I couldn't justify it and b) I wouldn't want to start over. Also c) 55" 4k TV.
I never got that large screen argument. I could play on my 4k TV right now. And my resolution would actually be 4k. I would just be a matter of laying a cable from my PC to my living room. That's really no argument.
You're assuming everyone has exactly the same set of circumstances as yourself. Me running a wire through my apartment isn't feasible for a variety of reasons that i won't bore you with. Even having a PC sat next to the TV isn't an option as most stick out like a sore thumb. Yeah, there are some that are nice and compact, but most gaming PC's are eyesores that are better left through the bedrooms. Especially when there's others staying in the house that don't want that lying in full view.
Consoles blend in and are just a lot less hassle when it comes to gaming. These arguments also ignore the fact PC gaming can sometimes be a proper ballache. Not all games involve just installing the game and getting on with it ala console gaming. Then there are those games that require controller mapping if you happen to just want to use a controller. I stopped pc gaming for those reasons. Spending hours trouble shooting/mapping wasn't my idea of fun and you have to deal with a lot more crashes (not solely aimed at ESO) and having to search for this driver and that driver just to get certain games to function. Yeah there are games i miss, such as Civ etc, but the simple plug in and play nature of console gaming makes up for those losses.
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RD065✭✭✭✭I've played on the PS4 when I first started but enjoy it more on the PC. So many nice mods. Imo, mods add so much more replay-ability (or why I continue to play). Also, imo, I can't stand the look of the UI on the PS4.
I don't have a laptop to run ultra so the game looked better on my PS4 Pro on my 4K TV but the fun factor wasn't there.Edited by RD065 on September 24, 2018 11:52AM0 -
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There it is! I was waiting for it.
PC builders/hobbyists always express shock that people would spend thousands on pre-built gaming PCs. Fact is, if you’re looking for a pre-built PC that can run ESO on high/ultra, you’re pushing 1k+ easily. Not everyone has the time or the know-how to build their own PC.
Edit: I should clarify: NEW pre-built gaming PCs can set you back a lot. Used/refurbished are obviously cheaper, albeit with outdated specs.Edited by Aurielle on September 24, 2018 12:02PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭LadyLethalla wrote: »LadyLethalla wrote: »because we're mostly adults
You're saying adults don't play on console?
Heads up... I stopped playing PC games with Oblivion because it got too expensive to continually upgrade a PC. More of my ESO friends - console players also - are adults than not. Could I afford a PC capable of running ESO now? Sure, but a) I couldn't justify it and b) I wouldn't want to start over. Also c) 55" 4k TV.
I never got that large screen argument. I could play on my 4k TV right now. And my resolution would actually be 4k. I would just be a matter of laying a cable from my PC to my living room. That's really no argument.
Out of curiosity... where would you put your mouse and keyboard...?
Or just plug in a controller to your PC? PC's can do everything. I am pretty sure there is nothing a console can do that a PC can not, other than play (and pay extra to access) on the PSN or XBOX networks.
There really is no argument anymore. PC cost more and do more. Consoles cost less and do less. Although with console games being at least $10 more per title after 20-30 games bought and and extra $60/year for network access, you do have to wonder if the low initial cost of console is that great of a deal in the end...0 -
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Can’t remember when last I bought a game for $60 — I buy them on sale for $40 or less. I’ve also gotten some awesome games for free through PS Plus. I only buy full-prices games on release if it’s something I’ve really been looking forward to.
Also, my brand new PS4 Slim only set me back $300 with tax.
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Can’t remember when last I bought a game for $60 — I buy them on sale for $40 or less. I’ve also gotten some awesome games for free through PS Plus. I only buy full-prices games on release if it’s something I’ve really been looking forward to.
Also, my brand new PS4 Slim only set me back $300 with tax.
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Who purchases Gold or PSN for full price? No one other than family members that don't know any better. Then there's the fact, most people don't purchase games for full price either. Here in the UK console games usually retail for £40-50. again, no one pays those prices. Don't think i've paid more than £35 for a new release this gen. Same with consoles. Too many bargains/sales out there that no one should be paying the RRP for any console.
I mean, I should be paying £450 for this console: https://www.hotukdeals.com/deals/xbox-one-x-shadow-of-the-tomb-raider-fifa-19-37378-microsoft-swiss-3057945
But next to no one does. You're graphs are meaningless to most people other than grandparents that walk into any old shop and pay the first price they lay their eyes on.
As for my widescreen TV. Here's a revelation, I didn't just purchase it to play games on. Crazy i know, but it's possible to watch normal TV on it. hell, even watch blu rays etc.
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kwisatz✭✭✭✭Could I do my work on console? Could I manage mails and social networks on console? Could I run addons on console? Could I play with mouse and keyboard on console?
Could you spend 500 bucks for something you are already doing with another device?0 -
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✭Console players can be as insufferable as PvPeeps. The fact is that a non Steam PC ZOS gives you the best possible experience. BTW, you can run this game just fine on a $500 PC.2 -
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✭Buying a PC costs up to 1500$. Consoles cost max 500$.
So it's technically cheaper to play ESO on Consoles. But when you login to Console servers, it's always empty or not full.
I think more PC players should try playing ESO on Consoles.
I was a PC Beta Tester and I enjoy playing on Console, it's a bit different and not as Good as PC. But it is Good enough.
First a couple of misconceptions: Consoles are cheaper. That's not always true.
1) You can build a PC by buying individual components, one at the time, instead of the whole system at once.
2) You can choose pieces you don't want in and save money, e.g. the blue ray player.
3) You can buy used components, or look for deals.
4) You can buy a cheap component to finish the build and upgrade it later with a better one.
5) Once a component becomes obsolete or a better one comes out, you can buy it and replace the old one without having to change the whole system.
By comparison a console is a closed, all-in-one system.
For some users that's a pro, as it's "hassle-free", but from a consumer's standpoint, not that much.
The initial cost might be higher, but the longevity is longer, making a PC a better investment.
The second point is in regards to performances.
It's not "a bit better", for the longest time console players couldn't even step in some trials because of the performances dips.
On a PC you can fix that in a number of ways, while a console limits you considerably.
Then you have the matter of mods (addons) which is kind of a big deal. Since time immemorial consumers always had their own ideas of how certain features of the game should behave.
Mods allow to expand the game's features and add your own personal twist.
If you'd ask me if I'd play without Awesome Guild Store and Advanced Filters my answer would be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75aGG27dGUA
Not to mention Master Merchant and Tamriel Trade Center for the abysmal trade system, Combat Metrics for theorycrafting, S'rendarr for buff tracking, MultiCraft... I could go on.
Keep in mind that Cheat Engine is not a mod, or addon, it's a complete different thing. Cheating is a whole different argument, and you can do it on consoles as well. It's like the argument for "Macs are immune to viruses", it's just not true. On PC is easier, true, but cheating is not an inherent trait of PC users. Some people made this argument, so I feel the need to clarify.
Last but not least, the game is on two different consoles, and each has their own network, so players on ps4 can't play with xbox players.
On PC doesn't matter the brand of the components you buy, the network is the same, and regardless of the PC you have you can play with others.
As I said, some players don't care about any of that, and prefer the convenience of a closed system where they only have to plug the game. Some others would rather have more freedom to tinker to squeeze better performances.
These are the reasons I don't play on consoles, I hope this helps.
Have a nice day.
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Can’t remember when last I bought a game for $60 — I buy them on sale for $40 or less. I’ve also gotten some awesome games for free through PS Plus. I only buy full-prices games on release if it’s something I’ve really been looking forward to.
Also, my brand new PS4 Slim only set me back $300 with tax.
How much did the TV connected to it set you back.
$0. My boyfriend purchased it a year or two before I moved in.
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✭✭✭✭✭DragonRacer wrote: »One has to wonder who the real children are... console players in their 30's simply living their lives and playing their preferred experience (be that not worrying about OS updates mucking something up, having to manage or trouble-shoot conflicting mods that may or may not work after a game update, or preferring a controller vs mouse/keyboard, etc) or the PC elitists calling console players "children"...
I see both sides calling each other children here. its not hardware specific.
Consoles get OS updates. do they muck up your gameplay? I know that consoles switching generations and games not being updates for the next one - can. PC doesn't require that you play with mods, they are OPTIONAL. you can play with controller on pc and fair number of people do, again not console specific.
its very tiresome the way people like to crap all over those choosing a different platform to play on, and no, its not just pc players that do it, I see just as many console players do this.
P.S. mods do not play the game for you, anyone that thinks mods = less skilled play, have no clue what mods actualy do. and I'm preeeeeety sure cheating happens on every platform, consoles included.dirty worthless casual.
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✭✭✭✭✭Console players can be as insufferable as PvPeeps. The fact is that a non Steam PC ZOS gives you the best possible experience. BTW, you can run this game just fine on a $500 PC.
“Just fine”? You mean on medium settings, with subsampling set to medium? Because looking at bestbuy.ca and newegg.ca, that’s about what I’d get for a new PC in the $500 range.
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✭✭✭✭✭Console players can be as insufferable as PvPeeps. The fact is that a non Steam PC ZOS gives you the best possible experience. BTW, you can run this game just fine on a $500 PC.
“Just fine”? You mean on medium settings, with subsampling set to medium? Because looking at bestbuy.ca and newegg.ca, that’s about what I’d get for a new PC in the $500 range.
do you honestly think that consoles run games on ultra settings? they don't btw.
oh and one other thing. becasue it IS personal preference, I saw above someone complaining about having to map keys. inability to map my keys is the number one reason I personal prefer playing on pc. and I HAVE a console. I have nothing against consoles. its a personal choice. but every time I die on a console becasue I switched games and on one of them x was "go into cover" while on the other x is "vault over cover" and there is NOTHING I can do about it other then try to relearn muscle memory each time a switch? I long for ability to standardize my keybinds like I can on PC.
plug and play functionality of a console is awesome. but not all of us actualy want plug and play. some of us actualy prefer to tweak or experience. and BOTH are fine, one is NOT inherently superior to the other. its... gasp.. a PERSONAL PREFERENCE!Edited by Linaleah on September 24, 2018 1:09PMdirty worthless casual.
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✭✭✭✭Buying a PC costs up to 1500$. Consoles cost max 500$.
So it's technically cheaper to play ESO on Consoles. But when you login to Console servers, it's always empty or not full.
I think more PC players should try playing ESO on Consoles.
I was a PC Beta Tester and I enjoy playing on Console, it's a bit different and not as Good as PC. But it is Good enough.
I already have a PC, though. So it's not 1500 vs 500, it's free vs 500. Plus the TV I'd have to buy.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub0 -
Buying a PC costs up to 1500$. Consoles cost max 500$.
So it's technically cheaper to play ESO on Consoles. But when you login to Console servers, it's always empty or not full.
I think more PC players should try playing ESO on Consoles.
I was a PC Beta Tester and I enjoy playing on Console, it's a bit different and not as Good as PC. But it is Good enough.
I could build a PC for around the same price as a PS4 pro that would absolutely smoke it, and as for budget by adding a 1050Ti to a cheap used Dell you could get better performance than a standard PS4 for less.
As for why there's few console players, my nephew tried this game on the PS4 two years ago... he gave up about a day later. Reason being he simply didn't have the attention span to get to even level ten. He likes games where he can jump in and get instant satisfaction or action whether it's immediately playing with people or PvP. He found the first section of the game boring, he's actually a DC online fan so it's not MMO's don't interest him but he prefers playing something with that in your face action.
I also have an old friend who's been an elder scrolls fan since oblivion who got this on console and binned it straight after because it wasn't Skyrim Online.
So I'd say the reason console is not as popular, it's a combination of lack of that initial draw as well as slight mismarketing.
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Bruccius✭✭✭✭✭Buying a PC costs up to 1500$. Consoles cost max 500$.
So it's technically cheaper to play ESO on Consoles. But when you login to Console servers, it's always empty or not full.
I think more PC players should try playing ESO on Consoles.
I was a PC Beta Tester and I enjoy playing on Console, it's a bit different and not as Good as PC. But it is Good enough.
The reason is that that console of yours exists solely for playing games.
A good quality gaming computer, laptop, or whatever can also be used for other things...
Such as posting comments over here, watching videos, mails, etc.
Most people don't see the need to buy an object whose sole purpose is video games. Especially when those things tend to not last for the next gen games.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Console players can be as insufferable as PvPeeps. The fact is that a non Steam PC ZOS gives you the best possible experience. BTW, you can run this game just fine on a $500 PC.
“Just fine”? You mean on medium settings, with subsampling set to medium? Because looking at bestbuy.ca and newegg.ca, that’s about what I’d get for a new PC in the $500 range.
do you honestly think that consoles run games on ultra settings? they don't btw.
oh and one other thing. becasue it IS personal preference, I saw above someone complaining about having to map keys. inability to map my keys is the number one reason I personal prefer playing on pc. and I HAVE a console. I have nothing against consoles. its a personal choice. but every time I die on a console becasue I switched games and on one of them x was "go into cover" while on the other x is "vault over cover" and there is NOTHING I can do about it other then try to relearn muscle memory each time a switch? I long for ability to standardize my keybinds like I can on PC.
plug and play functionality of a console is awesome. but not all of us actualy want plug and play. some of us actualy prefer to tweak or experience. and BOTH are fine, one is NOT inherently superior to the other. its... gasp.. a PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
LOL, no, I don’t think console is ultra... I do know it’s not medium with medium subsampling, though.
How do I know? Because that’s how I had to play the game on my $600 PC before I switched to PS4.
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✭✭✭✭✭Buying a PC costs up to 1500$. Consoles cost max 500$.
So it's technically cheaper to play ESO on Consoles. But when you login to Console servers, it's always empty or not full.
I think more PC players should try playing ESO on Consoles.
I was a PC Beta Tester and I enjoy playing on Console, it's a bit different and not as Good as PC. But it is Good enough.
The reason is that that console of yours exists solely for playing games.
A good quality gaming computer, laptop, or whatever can also be used for other things...
Such as posting comments over here, watching videos, mails, etc.
Most people don't see the need to buy an object whose sole purpose is video games. Especially when those things tend to not last for the next gen games.
I use my console to watch stuff on Netflix, Amazon Prime, YouTube... I also use it to listen to Spotify.
PC elitism is hilarious.
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✭Buying a PC costs up to 1500$. Consoles cost max 500$.
So it's technically cheaper to play ESO on Consoles. But when you login to Console servers, it's always empty or not full.
I think more PC players should try playing ESO on Consoles.
I was a PC Beta Tester and I enjoy playing on Console, it's a bit different and not as Good as PC. But it is Good enough.
A good quality gaming computer, laptop, or whatever can also be used for other things...
Such as posting comments over here, watching videos, mails, etc.
You can literally do all of these things from a console. Not saying PC doesn't have more functionality... just you picked some bad example there lol....
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✭✭✭✭✭Console players can be as insufferable as PvPeeps. The fact is that a non Steam PC ZOS gives you the best possible experience. BTW, you can run this game just fine on a $500 PC.
“Just fine”? You mean on medium settings, with subsampling set to medium? Because looking at bestbuy.ca and newegg.ca, that’s about what I’d get for a new PC in the $500 range.
do you honestly think that consoles run games on ultra settings? they don't btw.
oh and one other thing. becasue it IS personal preference, I saw above someone complaining about having to map keys. inability to map my keys is the number one reason I personal prefer playing on pc. and I HAVE a console. I have nothing against consoles. its a personal choice. but every time I die on a console becasue I switched games and on one of them x was "go into cover" while on the other x is "vault over cover" and there is NOTHING I can do about it other then try to relearn muscle memory each time a switch? I long for ability to standardize my keybinds like I can on PC.
plug and play functionality of a console is awesome. but not all of us actualy want plug and play. some of us actualy prefer to tweak or experience. and BOTH are fine, one is NOT inherently superior to the other. its... gasp.. a PERSONAL PREFERENCE!
LOL, no, I don’t think console is ultra... I do know it’s not medium with medium subsampling, though. How do I know? Because that’s how I had to play the game on my $600 PC before I switched to PS4.
except consoles generally run games on medium. how do I know? there are a few games I have on both console and PC in part becasue I loved them enough to want to play them that many times (hi Tomb Raider reboots, and I still cannot decide which version I prefer to be honest), and some I got through ps plus and in case of Division - I oroginaly played it on ps4, but then my SO got into it, so we both got pc copies to play together. I also happen to have steamlink so I have streamed my pc games onto my TV screen. the biggest difference I saw was with Division, but it wasn't the only one that I saw a difference with. console graphics and framerates are medium..ish settings in vast majority of cases, at least when it comes to AAA titles. it doesn't seem glaring unless you play them side by side... which I did.
I will say this much. I'm very VERY thankful for games coming out on both consoles and PC. why? becasue console hardware limitations means developers cannot push game graphics to the point where i HAVE to buy a new PC to play them. back in a day of pc exclusive AAA games you had to update your PC more often. nowadays, becasue it has to look and run good enough on all platforms - the only settings that push hardware are of the higher variety, and so you can get away with playing on an older PC. its nice.dirty worthless casual.
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✭I'm a console gamer. I spend all day (work from home) at a PC with a mouse and keyboard. That's the last place I want to be when the work day is over. ESO in HDR is beautiful, and it runs really well on the PS4 Pro.
I understand why people say PCs have more horsepower, and I don't doubt it. But for me, being able to chill on the couch in the evenings with just ESO, a controller and a nice big 4K HDR TV makes me happy.PS4NA2 -
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your comparing apples with oranges. a $500 pc will not be running the same spec RAM (DDR5) as the consoles , nor will it be running a 4k graphics card. Nor will the processors have as many cores or be as good.
in addition, you've put the games on consoles as more expensive. they are roughly the same price here in the UK. in fact the steam version of ESO on PC is £10 MORE than the xb1x version in game at the moment.
in terms of pure math, your graph is flawed by those two facts.
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✭✭✭✭I'm a console gamer. I spend all day (work from home) at a PC with a mouse and keyboard. That's the last place I want to be when the work day is over. ESO in HDR is beautiful, and it runs really well on the PS4 Pro.
I understand why people say PCs have more horsepower, and I don't doubt it. But for me, being able to chill on the couch in the evenings with just ESO, a controller and a nice big 4K HDR TV makes me happy.
The "PCs have more horsepower" thing is mostly irrelevant when considering the populations on both platforms, imo. Most people I know who play ESO on PC have significantly less horsepower than current gen consoles. Let's not even speak of our poor Mac brethren.
I really think it's just preference/convenience.Thrice Empress, Forever Scrub1
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