If shield nerf goes live

ErMurazor · September 2018

And for you sorcs out there you have to do what we others have done over the years when our class got nerfed, start another Char or stick with it through thick and thin. I know its hard, too bad ZoS waited so long to nerf sorcs to the ground, which means most of you played the same char since beta. Welcome to the real world we other classes live in (not warden)....

Imperial_Voice · September 2018

ErMurazor wrote: »

And for you sorcs out there you have to do what we others have done over the years when our class got nerfed, start another Char or stick with it through thick and thin. I know its hard, too bad ZoS waited so long to nerf sorcs to the ground, which means most of you played the same char since beta. Welcome to the real world we other classes live in (not warden)....

You think this is the first Sorc nerf? That is adorable.

MirkoZ · September 2018

Ozazz wrote: »

ill quit, and so many other

☝️

Strider__Roshin · September 2018

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

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Arrodisia · September 2018

I play all classes and specs, but I'm also against a cast time for magicka chars. Yet I do think the shields need something to stop them from being stacked.

However, I think. We are better off addressing the real pink elephant in the room, which I quickly whipped into a spoof intro to a metallica song while fooling around with guildies today.

This is just imho, but here goes.

Nightblades, Nightblades
All I really see are nightblades
Nightblades, nightblades
Laughing while we die

Strider__Roshin · September 2018

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

I play all classes and specs, but I'm also against a cast time for magicka chars. Yet I do think the shields need something to stop them from being stacked.

However, I think. We are better off addressing the real pink elephant in the room, which I quickly whipped into a spoof intro to a metallica song while fooling around with guildies today.

This is just imho, but here goes.

Nightblades, Nightblades
All I really see are nightblades
Nightblades, nightblades
Laughing while we die

I'm your source of self-destruction

Greevir · September 2018

The only other thing I can see replacing the 1 sec cast time is shields having something no other skill in the game has. A cooldown.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Greevir wrote: »

The only other thing I can see replacing the 1 sec cast time is shields having something no other skill in the game has. A cooldown.

Might I ask you what class you play? Also, I'm fine with whatever survivability changes Zos makes as long as they do the same across the board.

MehrunesFlagon · September 2018

Lylith wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

agreed.

they weren't.

let's have every class lose 1/3 of its skill slots and all stuns and snares gain a 1.5 second delay, too.

then we'll really fill the forums.

I think they should just remove all cast times.I t would make more skills useable.

Fodore · September 2018

I love how when every other class gets merged generally people are like well this sucks but ok, sorc gets nerfed and it's like the whole sorc community declares war on ZOS

Vahrokh · September 2018

Fodore wrote: »

I love how when every other class gets merged generally people are like well this sucks but ok, sorc gets nerfed and it's like the whole sorc community declares war on ZOS

Because they are hitting so much, so often and so hard that they managed to create a sorc community. People who don't know each other and could not care the less about each other, now are rallied together against a common, basic objective: survive.

Fodore · September 2018

Vahrokh wrote: »

Fodore wrote: »

I love how when every other class gets merged generally people are like well this sucks but ok, sorc gets nerfed and it's like the whole sorc community declares war on ZOS

Because they are hitting so much, so often and so hard that they managed to create a sorc community. People who don't know each other and could not care the less about each other, now are rallied together against a common, basic objective: survive.

"Objective survive" you guys all need to chill out, learn to play differently and get good at it, sorc is to date one of the most brajndead classes to play, stay back and so big boy dps to people, you must now actually pay attention around you and shield to protect you from incoming attacks that could render you useless rather than get hit and mindlessly shield spam to stay alive. Grow up it's not the end of the world

kadar · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

Why would that be fair?

Greevir · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Greevir wrote: »

The only other thing I can see replacing the 1 sec cast time is shields having something no other skill in the game has. A cooldown.

Might I ask you what class you play? Also, I'm fine with whatever survivability changes Zos makes as long as they do the same across the board.

Templar Heals

usmguy1234 · September 2018

The_Outsider wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

Why would that be fair?

Put everyone on the same playing field defensively.

Yusuf · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

If shield cast times go live i will simply shelve all characters of mine that utilize a damage shield in both PvE and PvP. Cast times on my abilities that allow me to survive is simply not a mechanic I will enjoy to play with. Sooner rather than later they will realize that people are no longer wearing light armor in PvP and they will revert this idiotic proposition and I can go back to those characters that will go on the shelf if these changes make it to live.

Just wish I hadn't spend pretty much the entire summerset patch and 1st month of wolfhunter practicing and getting better on my PvP magsorc. What a giant slap in the face. All those countless hours just wasted. Down the drain

Exactly. My mag sorc is literally a day younger then my first character which is about 4 years old at this point.
So I have literally poured 4 years of work in to this character. Just to have all that work blown to the wind by some very not well thought out nerfs by the dev team. And you have people gloating in the forums with glee about these changes. Yet they'll probably get mad that I made this thread and not see the hypocrisy in that.

Dude, my main is a Sorc. He has the same name as my account-name and me IRL. I've reserved my RL-name in ESO since the beta.

Do you know how hard it is to register for anything on the internet with the EXACT name you want??

*cries in casttime

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Yusuf wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

If shield cast times go live i will simply shelve all characters of mine that utilize a damage shield in both PvE and PvP. Cast times on my abilities that allow me to survive is simply not a mechanic I will enjoy to play with. Sooner rather than later they will realize that people are no longer wearing light armor in PvP and they will revert this idiotic proposition and I can go back to those characters that will go on the shelf if these changes make it to live.

Just wish I hadn't spend pretty much the entire summerset patch and 1st month of wolfhunter practicing and getting better on my PvP magsorc. What a giant slap in the face. All those countless hours just wasted. Down the drain

Exactly. My mag sorc is literally a day younger then my first character which is about 4 years old at this point.
So I have literally poured 4 years of work in to this character. Just to have all that work blown to the wind by some very not well thought out nerfs by the dev team. And you have people gloating in the forums with glee about these changes. Yet they'll probably get mad that I made this thread and not see the hypocrisy in that.

Dude, my main is a Sorc. He has the same name as my account-name and me IRL. I've reserved my RL-name in ESO since the beta.

Do you know how hard it is to register for anything on the internet with the EXACT name you want??

*cries in casttime

Indeed. I lovingly named mine the name that I used on my elementalist in gw1... the first mmo I ever played. Right in the feels.

DanteYoda · September 2018

I'm warden main i mostly post here to put thought on the warden nerfs as well as sorc.. because devs don't even respond to the warden changes thread, they do to the sorc ones, its utter bs...

And people say there is no bias..

kadar · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

Why would that be fair?

Put everyone on the same playing field defensively.

If each defensive mechanism existed in a vacuum where each was equal in power, nature, and effect that would make sense...
But defense is a function of all the mechanisms working together-- each is used in conjunction with shields and...everything. Block, Cloak, Roll, Heal, ect. are also distinctly different mechanically. It would be illogical to treat everything the same as the Ward/Harness.

Additionally, the cast time will simply make large, relatively cheap shields more difficult to get. Giving every defensive mechanism in the game a 1s cast time would completely destroy the reactive nature of the game as a whole.

Hateanthem · September 2018

Before people accuse me of not playing a sorc, I do have a max level sorc that I have ran vet dungeons and done quite a bit of pvp on....

It's 1 second. ONE SECOND. It's not 4 seconds, it's not a 30 sec cd, it's just 1 second. It's basically the cast time of defensive posture. It's not a super huge deal. The class is not going to be worthless, the players are not taking a personal slap to the face.

It's one freaking second people.

Does it suck? Yep.

Are there better ways to go about changing shields? I'm sure there are. Maybe a DPS penalty for having a shield up, or an increased cost, or whatever.

But it's only 1 second.

ONE FREAKING SECOND.

Nirn is not going to implode.

kadar · September 2018

Are there better ways to go about changing shields? I'm sure there are. Maybe a DPS penalty for having a shield up, or an increased cost, or whatever.

People need to remember that the devs are tying to make large, relatively cheap shields difficult to get. Not difficult to sustain. It's the instant, on-demand effect of the skills that the devs want to address. How do you make it harder to get the shield without reducing the power or effectiveness?

For instance, the stacking cost of streak makes sense because the goal was to prevent endless streak spam.

starkerealm · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

Vahrokh · September 2018

Hateanthem wrote: »

Before people accuse me of not playing a sorc, I do have a max level sorc that I have ran vet dungeons and done quite a bit of pvp on....

It's 1 second. ONE SECOND. It's not 4 seconds, it's not a 30 sec cd, it's just 1 second. It's basically the cast time of defensive posture. It's not a super huge deal. The class is not going to be worthless, the players are not taking a personal slap to the face.

It's one freaking second people.

Does it suck? Yep.

Are there better ways to go about changing shields? I'm sure there are. Maybe a DPS penalty for having a shield up, or an increased cost, or whatever.

But it's only 1 second.

ONE FREAKING SECOND.

Nirn is not going to implode.

Sure, let's slap a nice DPS penalty on a pure DPS class who can only be taken to trials to DPS... and already underperforms vs magblades and stam DPS.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

The_Outsider wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

Why would that be fair?

Put everyone on the same playing field defensively.

If each defensive mechanism existed in a vacuum where each was equal in power, nature, and effect that would make sense...
But defense is a function of all the mechanisms working together-- each is used in conjunction with shields and...everything. Block, Cloak, Roll, Heal, ect. are also distinctly different mechanically. It would be illogical to treat everything the same as the Ward/Harness.

Additionally, the cast time will simply make large, relatively cheap shields more difficult to get. Giving every defensive mechanism in the game a 1s cast time would completely destroy the reactive nature of the game as a whole.

Just as long as it doesn't effect your class right? I suggest you watch this video before you comment more on a class that you obviously don't understand.

https://youtu.be/24n9fYPHkfI

MasterSpatula · September 2018

Hateanthem wrote: »

Before people accuse me of not playing a sorc, I do have a max level sorc that I have ran vet dungeons and done quite a bit of pvp on....

It's 1 second. ONE SECOND. It's not 4 seconds, it's not a 30 sec cd, it's just 1 second. It's basically the cast time of defensive posture. It's not a super huge deal. The class is not going to be worthless, the players are not taking a personal slap to the face.

It's one freaking second people.

Does it suck? Yep.

Are there better ways to go about changing shields? I'm sure there are. Maybe a DPS penalty for having a shield up, or an increased cost, or whatever.

But it's only 1 second.

ONE FREAKING SECOND.

Nirn is not going to implode.

That's a truly, truly awful take. You have to be aware that, as a LA user, it can be quite easy to get hit for 125% or more of you total health in a single second from just a DLC/Chapter World Boss or the Geyser Bosses, to say nothing of bosses in harder content.

As a magsorc, if you're taking damage for full second without shields, you're likely just plain dead.

Jeremy · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

You barely have enough time to block attacks as a tank as it is - and a single missed block usually means death on harder content.

So this is a bad idea unless you just want a dead tank every time you do higher level stuff.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Jeremy wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

You barely have enough time to block attacks as a tank as it is - and a single missed block usually means death on harder content.

So this is a bad idea unless you just want a dead tank every time you do higher level stuff.

The shield changes mean dead dps too. I'm pretty sure tanks aren't dpsing the bosses down by themselves.

Bigevilpeter · September 2018

If it goes live you will just need to L2P

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · September 2018

im disappointed when I clicked this...I was expecting the OP to say he will quit the game if the nerf goes live...oh well join the pile of dead bodies il make with meow stamblade >:3

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

If it goes live you will just need to L2P

It's not a matter of l2p because any class that utilizes shields will be unplayable.