If shield nerf goes live

usmguy1234 · September 2018

idk wrote: »

While I am not thrilled about the change on the pts there is no logic with what OP is suggesting. Cutting ones nose off to spite ones face is never good.

But in all reality, this is a thread about community hypocrisy. People are so delighted when sorc gets gutted in one pts cycle in the name of balance. Yet when the conversation shifts to include them they start crawfishing.

JumpmanLane · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

That’s just stupid. Blocking needs to be instant or what’s the point.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

JumpmanLane wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

That’s just stupid. Blocking needs to be instant or what’s the point.

See

usmguy1234 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

While I am not thrilled about the change on the pts there is no logic with what OP is suggesting. Cutting ones nose off to spite ones face is never good.

But in all reality, this is a thread about community hypocrisy. People are so delighted when sorc gets gutted in one pts cycle in the name of balance. Yet when the conversation shifts to include them they start crawfishing.

Lylith · September 2018

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

agreed.

they weren't.

let's have every class lose 1/3 of its skill slots and all stuns and snares gain a 1.5 second delay, too.

then we'll really fill the forums.

Apherius · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

Are you talking about nerf sorc thread ? It's probably something like 878536941547 threads.

And no one asked you to read it or post in it. In doing so without adding any context only makes you a troll.

Wrong quote, I'm not talking to you, see above the guy who act like there is a thousand nerf cloak/dodge thread and forgot about nerf sorc thread.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Apherius wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Apherius wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

Are you talking about nerf sorc thread ? It's probably something like 878536941547 threads.

And no one asked you to read it or post in it. In doing so without adding any context only makes you a troll.

Wrong quote, I'm not talking to you, see above the guy who act like there is a thousand nerf cloak/dodge thread and forgot about nerf sorc thread.

Oi. My apologies.

JumpmanLane · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

That’s just stupid. Blocking needs to be instant or what’s the point.

See

usmguy1234 wrote: »

idk wrote: »

While I am not thrilled about the change on the pts there is no logic with what OP is suggesting. Cutting ones nose off to spite ones face is never good.

But in all reality, this is a thread about community hypocrisy. People are so delighted when sorc gets gutted in one pts cycle in the name of balance. Yet when the conversation shifts to include them they start crawfishing.

I could but don’t use shields on my light armored MagDk. I DON’T approve of the shield nerf. Nerfing EVERYTHING won’t solve sorc’s issue though.

SHADOW2KK · September 2018

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

^

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

The squeaky wheel gets the grease sometimes.

And the response to a squeaky mouse is poison.

Good thing I'm not using a mouse. Please move on and stop trying to derail this thread.

From what I can see you started the conversation, so technically you were trying to derail it

I disagree with you on other threads, but this, right here is comedy gold, well done sir.

DrSweetazz · September 2018

Is this the place where we can pick up our endless supply of wizard tears?

joaaocaampos · September 2018

The best way, the best solution.

Instead of increasing cast time to 1 second, the cost should be increased. Healing Ritual is an example: the ability had 1 sec cast time and now is instant cast, with increased cost.

Annulment costs have been increased to 7290 Magicka from 4590 Magicka. That is, an increase of 59%.
Conjured Ward costs have been increased to 5580 (+59%), 5890 (+68%) or 6210 (+77%) Magicka from 3510 Magicka. Respectively, the Empowered Ward cost would be 5160, 5440 or 5740.

Increased cost has worked before, may work again. No shield spam!
Unfortunately, something needs to be done.

If you want increased cost, press "Agree".
If you want cast time, press "Insightful".

Vahrokh · September 2018

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

anatole1234 wrote: »

I honestly hope they go through with it. Already got a heavy sorcerer build that don't utilize shields. Can't believe people forgot sorc has the BoL equivalent with the twilight matriarch.

Dont clue them in to how our class actually works. Itll derail the panic.

Too bad, matriarch dies in 2 hits... unless you constantly shield her with the appropriately pet specced (guess why it exists?) shield.

So... need to spam shield to BOL... but you went heavy armor and won't be able to do a thing.

Reaper_00 · September 2018

Apache_Kid wrote: »

Let them gloat and jeer. Next patch they will come for their class and add cast time to breath of life or add a cast time to wings or cloak. Those people are fools who do not understand what a slippery slope this is.

Yeah, because sorc is the first class to ever be nerfed in this game? Sure it might be a slippery slope but sorcs aren't anywhere near the top of that slope!

usmguy1234 · September 2018

joaaocaampos wrote: »

The best way, the best solution.

Instead of increasing cast time to 1 second, the cost should be increased. Healing Ritual is an example: the ability had 1 sec cast time and now is instant cast, with increased cost.
Annulment costs have been increased to 7290 Magicka from 4590 Magicka. That is, an increase of 59%.

Conjured Ward costs have been increased to 5580 (+59%), 5890 (+68%) or 6210 (+77%) Magicka from 3510 Magicka. Respectively, the Empowered Ward cost would be 5160, 5440 or 5740.

Increased cost has worked before, may work again. No shield spam!
Unfortunately, something needs to be done.

If you want increased cost, press "Agree".
If you want cast time, press "Insightful".

The costs are already enough imo. Zos makes a shield centric class and the world falls apart for them using their main source of defence. Now we are faced with the absolute worst nerf to survivability I have ever seen in my 4 years playing this game... and not given a decent counter option. This is not a nerf this is a complete disembowelment of a class and a complete slap in the face to sorc mains and their class reps who worked hard to get a mid tier class back to their former glory.

Nicko_Lps · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

ALL OF THEM.

Salvas_Aren · September 2018

Well, doing some action in combat instantly is more realistic than eating a whole legendary dinner in 2 seconds.

How about adding some drink and eating time to potions, brews and meals?

Greevir · September 2018

"If shield nerf goes live" people will adapt to it like any other change in the game.

usmguy1234 · September 2018

Greevir wrote: »

"If shield nerf goes live" people will adapt to it like any other change in the game.

* insert typical disingenuous comment of its not my class just get over it.

Kayotic · September 2018

If shield nerf goes live then. Put a second cast time on ALL defensive abilities. Wings, selfheals, rolling etc

Nicko_Lps · September 2018

Greevir wrote: »

"If shield nerf goes live" people will adapt to it like any other change in the game.

Agree, the rest people though must face the same adapt thingy and adapt to 1sec cast time to all their defensives.

Fair is fair. Fair is balance.

CompM4s · September 2018

mag classes will adapt just like every other nerf thay came before.

DanteYoda · September 2018

Totally agree why only ruin some classes when they can ruin them all.

MasterSpatula · September 2018

Greevir wrote: »

"If shield nerf goes live" people will adapt to it like any other change in the game.

CompM4s wrote: »

mag classes will adapt just like every other nerf thay came before.

I guess "finding another passtime" technically counts as adapting.

Kel · September 2018

Imperial_Voice wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Apache_Kid wrote: »

If shield cast times go live i will simply shelve all characters of mine that utilize a damage shield in both PvE and PvP. Cast times on my abilities that allow me to survive is simply not a mechanic I will enjoy to play with. Sooner rather than later they will realize that people are no longer wearing light armor in PvP and they will revert this idiotic proposition and I can go back to those characters that will go on the shelf if these changes make it to live.

Just wish I hadn't spend pretty much the entire summerset patch and 1st month of wolfhunter practicing and getting better on my PvP magsorc. What a giant slap in the face. All those countless hours just wasted. Down the drain

Exactly. My mag sorc is literally a day younger then my first character which is about 4 years old at this point.
So I have literally poured 4 years of work in to this character. Just to have all that work blown to the wind by some very not well thought out nerfs by the dev team. And you have people gloating in the forums with glee about these changes. Yet they'll probably get mad that I made this thread and not see the hypocrisy in that.

Let them gloat and jeer. Next patch they will come for their class and add cast time to breath of life or add a cast time to wings or cloak. Those people are fools who do not understand what a slippery slope this is.

Sorc since closed beta. This isnt our first nerf and its far from the last. It isn't even the worst to date. Your slippery slope fallacy is utter nonsense. All classes exist in a perpetual cycle of nerfs and buffs and its empirically obvious based on patch notes. Take our nerf with some dignity and quit crying. Well just be buffed again in the next patch.

Finally, a fellow sorcerer that sees reason.

MasterSpatula · September 2018

worsttankever wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Oh yey another one. Because the other 10362619 threads weren‘t enough.

Considering Rob made a post yesterday defending this change, they plainly are not.

Could you link that post ? Thank you!!

Sure, @worsttankever . Check out this ***. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5469409#Comment_5469409

Nicko_Lps · September 2018

CompM4s wrote: »

mag classes will adapt just like every other nerf thay came before.

Good, now add a cast time to vigors/rolls/blocks so that stamina classes will need to adapt again as they did before every buff, because they are getting only buffed and never nerfed.

max_only · September 2018

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

CompM4s wrote: »

mag classes will adapt just like every other nerf thay came before.

Good, now add a cast time to vigors/rolls/blocks so that stamina classes will need to adapt again as they did before every buff, because they are getting only buffed and never nerfed.

Maybe stamina is getting buffs recently because for over a year it was go magika or go home.

Also for the rest of you, I’m not a Sorc main AND I don’t like this change. My pug healer depends on that light armor shield. I will be demoralized as well. I’m not gloating over Sorc pain. AND I know that the pain comes and goes, Zos balance is circular, it’ll come back around. You can handle it.

If you really want to put some grease on that squeaky wheel, join the PTS and post to the PTS forum with empirical evidence (what a certain fight is like on the live server with instant shields versus what the same fight is like on PTS without instant shields).

Ashtaris · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

So if Sorcs get a nerf, then everyone should get a nerf, eh?

That seems a bit selfish. Wouldn’t it be better if we can just get ZOS to revert the changes rather that destroying the other classes?

Lettigall · September 2018

After i read patch notes had for sympathies for sorcs but then they started crying for unnecessary nerfs for other classes and builds. A good way to get community get behind you.

Tommy_The_Gun · September 2018

usmguy1234 wrote: »

I think it's only fair that all survivability mechanisms gain a 1 second cast time. That means block, cloak, etc, etc.

Well... then the only class you will see in Cyrodiil / BG would be like... DKs & Wardens...

ErMurazor · September 2018

Shieldstacking been way to OP for way to long. Finally thats taken care of.