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NB Cloak: 4 Second Cooldown
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Nicko_Lps✭✭✭✭✭YesMalacthulhu wrote: »Well in regards to streak and cloak a cool down or cost increase after consecutively using them is an unattractive solution as there is no middle ground. Their effectiveness should be reduced if used back to back, so with streak it would be distance and with cloak it should be 6 seconds and reduced cloak time the more you spam it to a low of 2 seconds. People should be able to spam an ability but not to its full function each time instead of at the cost of sustain or cooldowns, also allows for more aggressiveness in play style. Spamming already has a sustain penalty on its own. That being said, should they also be able to crit and get extra distance an duration or something neat?
You want streak effectiveness reduced?
You know streak distance was nerfed to the ground + each time you use it gets 50% cost increase making your 6th streak cost like 15k mag? While all capclosers in game cost 2k mag/stam.
How much does your 6th cloak cost?
How much your 6th teleport cost?
While you maintain the right to teleport+cloak and escape i have to streak 6 times dark exchange pot rolldodge LoS and then streak away to escape the gapclosers that cost 2kmag/stam and i have to spend 6k mag to double streak and get out of range, if im lucky.
What else this game will do for nightblades, a new 100% pvp kill skill just by pressing 1 button just to make your life even easier?1 -
Malacthulhu✭✭✭✭NoMalacthulhu wrote: »Well in regards to streak and cloak a cool down or cost increase after consecutively using them is an unattractive solution as there is no middle ground. Their effectiveness should be reduced if used back to back, so with streak it would be distance and with cloak it should be 6 seconds and reduced cloak time the more you spam it to a low of 2 seconds. People should be able to spam an ability but not to its full function each time instead of at the cost of sustain or cooldowns, also allows for more aggressiveness in play style. Spamming already has a sustain penalty on its own. That being said, should they also be able to crit and get extra distance an duration or something neat?
You want streak effectiveness reduced?
You know streak distance was nerfed to the ground + each time you use it gets 50% cost increase making your 6th streak cost like 15k mag? While all capclosers in game cost 2k mag/stam.
How much does your 6th cloak cost?
How much your 6th teleport cost?
While you maintain the right to teleport+cloak and escape i have to streak 6 times dark exchange pot rolldodge LoS and then streak away to escape the gapclosers that cost 2kmag/stam and i have to spend 6k mag to double streak and get out of range, if im lucky.
What else this game will do for nightblades, a new 100% pvp kill skill just by pressing 1 button just to make your life even easier?
Maybe, try reading my post next timeXbox One Na1 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoCloak needs some kind of adjustment but a GCD is not the answer. A GCD wont make a difference bcz after a nightblades cloaks they can use other forms of defense, like shuffle or dodge rolling twice and thats 4 seconds.0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NoIt doesn't need an adjustment when it has soooo many counters. It gets broken by anything and everything. If you turn on Combat Numbers (built into the game settings, mind you) you can even follow the "Miss" text to figure out where they are. Slot AoE, use Magelight, Expert Hunter, Detect Pots, Reaper's Mark, Hurricane, Tornado, Jabs, Soul Assault, Jesus Beam, Sub Assault, Permafrost, Talons, Fossilize, Mines, Blockade, Eye of the Storm
Cloak negates none of those, and many of them break Cloak instantly. Use them1 -
danno8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It doesn't need an adjustment when it has soooo many counters. It gets broken by anything and everything. If you turn on Combat Numbers (built into the game settings, mind you) you can even follow the "Miss" text to figure out where they are. Slot AoE, use Magelight, Expert Hunter, Detect Pots, Reaper's Mark, Hurricane, Tornado, Jabs, Soul Assault, Jesus Beam, Sub Assault, Permafrost, Talons, Fossilize, Mines, Blockade, Eye of the Storm
Cloak negates none of those, and many of them break Cloak instantly. Use them
First, let me say I disagree with the OP suggestion.
However, you must know how futile most of the suggestions you just listed are?
As a Templar, currently, I could literally Use Magelight, a detect pot, drop Eye of Storm (or Elemental Storm), Blockade and proceed to spam Jabs all around me and the NB, will simply laugh his ass off because he is 15m to the left, right, behind or any incremental combination of those directions around me.
The truth is the only time stealth really fails is if you have a larger number of people spread out with all of them actively searching for the NB. The single player has no real chance of detecting any NB worth his salt.
And even with a large group of people searching, the right kind of terrain can still make it (nearly) impossible to track the NB. Just ask The Gobbler who has been hanging out in AD Castles annoying people for the past several weeks, lol.0 -
MacCait✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoNo. But there should be something for the alternating it between attack weaves. Maybe make a choice. If it’s a defensive ability, maybe for 4 seconds after use, damage done is halved. Opposite of its crit buff now.
We had a damge reduction morph used in PvP which was killed to replace it with the self heal (which really belonged in the healing tree - siphoning)0 -
NolaArch✭✭✭✭✭YesOnly chiming in because I hecked up and meant to click no. My thumb is fatter than I realized.Ardat-Yakshii EP Stam NB
36k anchovy club
Mash the buttons, hope for the best!
I have some achievements0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoIt's about time Cloak gets the Streak treatment.
At least streak only serves as a gap opener, not also as a powerful mitigation tool like Cloak does.
Streak does lightning damage and stuns as well. You conveniently left that part out.
Streak also reliably procs crystal frags.Edited by TequilaFire on September 17, 2018 1:38PM1 -
brandonv516✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoThose who call for changes to Cloak aren't even willing to come up with serious ideas that make sense for both sides.
4 seconds of not being able to cast it again? The skill only lasts 2.5 seconds.
Think of it this way.
8 seconds of not being able to cast Hardened Ward again after casting. So for 2 seconds you get no shield...what happens if the shield gets depleted though?
Even someone like me who despises Sorcs wouldn't suggest such an evil and idiotic idea like that.Edited by brandonv516 on September 17, 2018 1:33PM0 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoIt doesn't need an adjustment when it has soooo many counters. It gets broken by anything and everything. If you turn on Combat Numbers (built into the game settings, mind you) you can even follow the "Miss" text to figure out where they are. Slot AoE, use Magelight, Expert Hunter, Detect Pots, Reaper's Mark, Hurricane, Tornado, Jabs, Soul Assault, Jesus Beam, Sub Assault, Permafrost, Talons, Fossilize, Mines, Blockade, Eye of the Storm
Cloak negates none of those, and many of them break Cloak instantly. Use them
First, let me say I disagree with the OP suggestion.
However, you must know how futile most of the suggestions you just listed are?
As a Templar, currently, I could literally Use Magelight, a detect pot, drop Eye of Storm (or Elemental Storm), Blockade and proceed to spam Jabs all around me and the NB, will simply laugh his ass off because he is 15m to the left, right, behind or any incremental combination of those directions around me.
The truth is the only time stealth really fails is if you have a larger number of people spread out with all of them actively searching for the NB. The single player has no real chance of detecting any NB worth his salt.
And even with a large group of people searching, the right kind of terrain can still make it (nearly) impossible to track the NB. Just ask The Gobbler who has been hanging out in AD Castles annoying people for the past several weeks, lol.
Umm I must disagree. I kill NBs easier than any class, because most of them relay to heavily on cloak. You can't fight nightblade starting with detection pot, mage light and everything you've got vs cloak because NB will simply prepare to counter your counter. What you want to do is to bring NB down to 30-40% hp without showing you have any counters, and when he's close to execute range then throw it all, he won't be prepared to get out of execute range and find a way to deal with no cloak because it worked till now and suddenly it's not. Trust me, this tactic works wonders vs most NBs, only the best NBs know how to defend them selves without single cloak use.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.0 -
MacCait✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoWhy is this discussion not in General Discussion with all the other NERF threads? Does it really belong on the Public Test Server?0 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think the problem is that a magblade with max magicka can spam cloak for a long time AND do tons of damage from max magicka.
What if cloak costs stamina to cast AND drains magicka while moving.
That way neither magblade or stamblade can use it indefinitely and it will actually require different use between magblade and stamblade to conserve each playstyle's primary resource.0 -
Casul✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoThe really dangerous magblades run shade over cloak. I was in Cyrodiil this weekend and these two magblades were holding my and a handful of blues around this farm. They just kept shading to escape and it was honestly impressive. I knew I was outplayed and decided to cut my losses and bail before I ended up dead lol.
Back on topic I think cloak is fine. If a night blade cloaks it means correct pressure is being applied.
I do think a good addition would be detection poisons or a detection enchant. Sacrifice extra damage to counter one specific class skill.PvP needs more love.0 -
MacCait✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoRed_Feather wrote: »I think the problem is that a magblade with max magicka can spam cloak for a long time AND do tons of damage from max magicka.
What if cloak costs stamina to cast AND drains magicka while moving.
That way neither magblade or stamblade can use it indefinitely and it will actually require different use between magblade and stamblade to conserve each playstyle's primary resource.
Well I have a Magicka Nightblade with max magicka and i CANNOT do that, so i don't understand who can. Cloak cost was increased, then with changes to sustain, it becomes more expensive. You have to decide, do I cloak or do I damage, you can't do both and survive, you'll run out of magicka quickly.0 -
efster✭✭✭✭✭NoNo. L2counterplay.AD is the best looking faction. I don't make the rules, I just enforce them.1 -
SergeantPink✭✭✭NoNo but they really need to remove that “miss” hit from projectiles. The projectile should still hit, but not pull the nightblade from stealth0 -
Iselin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoCooldowns? How retro of you.
What next? Long cast times for everything while self-rooted?
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Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoAlthough I do not play a nightblade based on my experience fighting against/alongside them I feel that a cooldown on cloak of any sort would completely ruin the playstyle of those who make use of it. Anyone including myself can go invisible with an invisibility potion, but one of the things that makes a nightblade special is the ability to become invisible without a potion or a cooldown.
Of course, I do get annoyed when a nightblade engages me and spams cloak to get away, but if they are not adept at evasive action my Grothdarr, immovable detection potion, or blockade of storms is usually enough to counter them especially if I keep refreshing boundless storm for major expedition. Any type of cooldown especially a 4 second one would just be too much.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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