Hurtfan wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

Hurtfan wrote: »

The people I PvP with aren't interested in trolling people doing the quests. They're more worried about getting AP and wining the campaign. And I feel the majority of regular PvPers are this way as well. Never once have I joined a group and their goal was to kill questers.

I can only conclude that when PvEers do get ganked doing quests, those situations are few and far between. Unless you're questing in an area that's hot with fighting.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/227993/how-are-we-supposed-to-do-the-quest-achievements-in-cyrodil
If you get killed, just respawn and go at it again, you will get the quest completed, not a big deal whatsoever.

Quest ganking goes on in spurts, sometimes it's really bad for several weeks, and sometimes it's sparse. When you are trying to do the quests in Cyrodiil and have to deal with quest gankers, respawning and going at it again changes nothing. Quest ganking can be pretty ferocious. Gankers will hide and wait for an unsuspecting pve'er to start talking to an npc quest giver ... as soon as that happens you get ganked. So, after 3 or 4 attempts of (unsuccessfully) trying to get (or turn-in) your quest, you give up for the day and try the next day, but same thing happens, and it happens the day after that, and the week after that. Maybe, if you wait 6 weeks or so you might be able to get (or turn-in) your pve quests without getting ganked during a 'ganking lull' ... but those 'lulls' are only temporary.

Just because you haven't experienced it doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it's not a very real problem and it IS a big deal, it's a very big deal.

I do PvP quests as well and haven't missed a day of PvPing for a long time. I'll go with my experience.

Below (in the spoiler) are some threads regarding quest ganking in Cyrodiil -- by looking at them you can see that quest ganking is not new ... it has been an issue since the game started. Please note: I only posted links to a few threads (there are many more threads regarding this subject matter).

The point I am making is that quest ganking is real and has been an ongoing issue for a long time now. If you are the pve'er getting ganked, there is no simple solution. Many pve'ers come to Cyrodiil to do the pve content ... this includes pve quests, skyshards, delves, and dolmens. Many pve'ers work toward completing in-game achievements, several of which you can't get without completing the pve content in Cyrodiil.

Since you say that you don't have an issue with Cyrodiil quest gankers, perhaps you could offer your services as a body guard to those less fortunate than you.

ArchMikem wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Eh, I just won't ever enter Cyrodiil period. I despise pvp, I won't do it, I won't put my girls in the way of it, and I'm anything but a completionist anyway. Y'all can sit there in your pvp glory and you'll never get a shot at me. Yeah yeah - I'm only one player. Works for me.

I actually played on a pvp server in WoW, in a friend's guild - mostly to join the guild raids. The raids weren't fun either - and getting ganked out in the world sucked boulders through straws. By the time I could holler for help from whatever guildies were online, I was dead. My lag sucks, so dead is dead usually in a couple of seconds. I got one kill on my own in 6 months - and it was actually an even-level toon. I actually HATED it - I don't believe in killing other players' characters, and it shouldn't be classed as "fun".

So I gritted it out for those 6 months and then I deleted my toons on that server, and returned to my regular servers, where I had to actively CHOOSE to pvp by flagging, the which I did NOT (unless I absent-mindedly walked into the wrong area - but that's on me.... happened a few times....) Ditto RIFT though I never did pvp there at all.

So nope, ain't hap'nin. Just - yuck. Oh. And as for ZOS? They can suck rocks too because I don't CARE about what they envision - I only care about paying them to play the game MY WAY. Selfish? Yeah. *shrug*

you take things to seriously. being killed by a player is no different then getting killed by a mob.

Lol, no.

A mob doesn't teabag your body. A mob doesn't taunt you with emotes. A mob doesn't send you hate tells. When a mob is done with you they just go back to their idle position. When a person does it, they make it personal.

Play more games then lol. I've seen mobs in games stand over my body, taunt the hero for dying. Heck play saints row or old grand theft auto and you will get tbagged XD.

I've been gaming 30 years, and i saw lil to no difference between a npc death or a player death. I've played plenty of pvp and pve games in my lifetime. If people are poor sports, i block them it just that simple. I rarely ran into poor sports in pvp.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

You know what the saddest thing is? I SO miss Cyrodiil - because Oblivion was a very fav game in the series. But ZOS turned it into a pvp crap-fest. I'll never see Lake Rumare again. I will go back to SPMR Oblivion, just to do that cute little quest to get scales for the old man wanting to retire....

Good lord. He can retire on the sale of 12 slaughterfish scales! Took us 40+ years of employment....

Lake Rumare is rather sad in ESO. Its all foul water thanks to Molag Bal and you'll have your toes ripped off by slaughterfish if you try to swim in it.

But the most disappointing location for me was Hackdirt. That amazing quest in Oblivion? Yeah, in ESO you just have to clean out some bandits. BORING!

Even the Imperial City is all wrecked and ruined by the Daedra and only vaguely like the city I spent hours running around in.

The best Oblivion nostalgia, IMO, is the Dark Brotherhood DLC. I loved returning to Anvil (even though they turned my beloved Benirus Manor into a bank. A bank!) But walking up the hill to Kvatch took my breath away.

Like what @VaranisArano has stated Multiple times in this Thread you must prepare for pvp if your going in Cryo and wearing pve gear with no Inpen your not going to enjoy it. He is completely right about Pvp being a steep learning curve it takes lots of practice to even be somewhat good at pvp. I have played Cryo for almost 4 years done Large small and solo play and I’m still just average as a player. I started as a pve player and when i arrived in Cryo for the 1rst time I got destroyed multiple times so much so that I was prepared to quit. Then I went to do a delve near Brindle and was ganked by a Templar of all things who was higher lvl but hit like a noodle I spanked that guy so badly I was crying in laughter. It was fun! I then asked asked in area chat (there was no text chat on PS4 when the game launched) what a Altmer dk tank should wear to do decently in pvp and was told lots of stuff I really didn’t understand but I took their advice and was doing somewhat better on that toon and I continue to improve on all toons I play. If I see aplayer in the towns that is obviously questing I leave them alone unless I’m attacked 1rst. Some pvpers are trash who will attack regardless just like there are pve elitists who kick you from dungeons for no reason, Just come to Cryo prepared have speed and invis pots have inpen and don’t be afraid to ask your faction for advice if your getting frustrated. There are plenty of pvpers who are good people because we were in your position once. If you have bad internet or want to get your pve done quickly go to a very underpopulated server and just avoid the keeps just be aware what faction owns the closest keep and be ready to fight if needed.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Eh, I just won't ever enter Cyrodiil period. I despise pvp, I won't do it, I won't put my girls in the way of it, and I'm anything but a completionist anyway. Y'all can sit there in your pvp glory and you'll never get a shot at me. Yeah yeah - I'm only one player. Works for me.

I actually played on a pvp server in WoW, in a friend's guild - mostly to join the guild raids. The raids weren't fun either - and getting ganked out in the world sucked boulders through straws. By the time I could holler for help from whatever guildies were online, I was dead. My lag sucks, so dead is dead usually in a couple of seconds. I got one kill on my own in 6 months - and it was actually an even-level toon. I actually HATED it - I don't believe in killing other players' characters, and it shouldn't be classed as "fun".

So I gritted it out for those 6 months and then I deleted my toons on that server, and returned to my regular servers, where I had to actively CHOOSE to pvp by flagging, the which I did NOT (unless I absent-mindedly walked into the wrong area - but that's on me.... happened a few times....) Ditto RIFT though I never did pvp there at all.

So nope, ain't hap'nin. Just - yuck. Oh. And as for ZOS? They can suck rocks too because I don't CARE about what they envision - I only care about paying them to play the game MY WAY. Selfish? Yeah. *shrug*

you take things to seriously. being killed by a player is no different then getting killed by a mob.

That's your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. I guess if you can't see the difference....

Yes you are entitled to have an opinion, just as much as i can comment on your opinion, and say you take something too seriously. Your post comes off as rude.

"I don't believe in killing other players' characters, and it shouldn't be classed as "fun"." Is a very rude reply to have.

But again you are taking the game too seriously. There really is no difference between a player killing you and a monster/enemy npc killing you. You still get camped, you still loose progress. It really doesn't matter.

the three faction war is part of the pve experience, going to the front lines of it would make sense for it to be much harder, and more then likely will die.

Believe that if you want. I don't DO war period in games. We have WAY too much war IRL - I'm not messing with it in a game I play to GET AWAY from RL.

Now, explain to me how there's any faction war OUTSIDE of pvp? There isn't. Sure there are places you can run into op-fac troops - but you don't have to go there.... and I don't. I have toons in each faction, and I'm not interested in pretending they're mutually at war. The "three faction war" is NOT part of my pve experience. YMMV of course, and you're welcome to it.

Not to mention, of course, that if you're an "ambassador" for pvp, you're not doing a particularly good job. At least, not with me. All you're doing is reinforcing the belief I've already got that pvp folks are annoying and elitist. Oh, and how is saying I find killing other players' characters isn't fun "rude"? Jeezus - it's an opinion. It's my opinion. I didn't find it fun, and I won't ever do it again.

Okay, technically there is an alliance war outside of PVP.

Its just that One Tamriel erased most of it.

Pre-One Tamriel, alliance mattered because it dictated who you could and couldn't group with. This was an extremely welcome change.

Moreover, it also railroaded you through Cadwell's Silver and Gold, which made it clear that the only reason you got to do the other alliance quests was due to Meridia making you appear to be a member of that other alliance. And even that wasnt originally part of the game. This was a really good change, but it also made it a lot easier to miss parts of the lore that explain things like "Hi, I'm a Praetorian in the Army of the Ebonheart Pact, I'm here to help Queen Ayrenn claim her throne. What?"

Now, yeah, unless you really pay attention to Meridia's gift, alliance doesn't matter in PVE, at least to your player character. It matters a lot to the NPCs, especially the Pact's quest line. But they won't care whether you are EP or AD or DC.

Overall, I think One Tamriel was a good chance, but I sort of regret how some of the lore that helped make the whole game make sense got lost in the process.

Sylvermynx wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

You know what the saddest thing is? I SO miss Cyrodiil - because Oblivion was a very fav game in the series. But ZOS turned it into a pvp crap-fest. I'll never see Lake Rumare again. I will go back to SPMR Oblivion, just to do that cute little quest to get scales for the old man wanting to retire....

Good lord. He can retire on the sale of 12 slaughterfish scales! Took us 40+ years of employment....

Lake Rumare is rather sad in ESO. Its all foul water thanks to Molag Bal and you'll have your toes ripped off by slaughterfish if you try to swim in it.

But the most disappointing location for me was Hackdirt. That amazing quest in Oblivion? Yeah, in ESO you just have to clean out some bandits. BORING!

Even the Imperial City is all wrecked and ruined by the Daedra and only vaguely like the city I spent hours running around in.

The best Oblivion nostalgia, IMO, is the Dark Brotherhood DLC. I loved returning to Anvil (even though they turned my beloved Benirus Manor into a bank. A bank!) But walking up the hill to Kvatch took my breath away.

I haven't ever done the DB or TG quests in the older games. Just didn't have the interest to go there. I did each one once in Skyrim.... unimpressed.

That's sad to hear about the changes though I suppose it make sense from a time standpoint. Yep, that Hackdirt quest line was so much fun.... but of course that was later - I think.... I get whacked with what time we're in where! Eventually I'll probably get into both TG and DB. Right now, I'd just like to figure out the keyboarding so my lag doesn't get me dead, so I can eventually get someone to 50....

Good luck with figuring out the lag! That must be super frustrating.

Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood weren't amazing, quest-wise, if you didn't like them in Skyrim. But Hews Bane and the Gold Coast are beautiful zones to explore and play around in. And if you like the justice system at all, those two DLC together are amazing.

Hippie4927 wrote: »

phairdon wrote: »

Hippie4927 wrote: »

I feel left out! As much as I have died in Cyrodiil, I have never been 'bagged or received hate whispers. What am I doing wrong? lol

Give it time. Most players get t-bagged at some stage. Almost like a badge of honor.

I've been going to Cyrodiil for over 4 years.........how much time does it take? I want my badge!

Oh dear, your best chance was to equip Sload's Semblance before it got nerfed, LOL.

nimander99 wrote: »

Ive been sating this since day one. Make a PVE Cyrodiil Map for people to play in... The opportunities are endless for PVE tailored content on that vast map.

And they already have the damn tech to make another "Campaign"

smdh… cant believe this hasn't happened yet.

Hell, add content, call it a chapter, include IC and I'd pay for it.

I want this, but the PvP hardcore fanatics would whine because Cyrodiil is “PvP only” or couldn’t attack anyone because we upset the PvP masterrace lmao

Wasn’t there an option that got removed in IC to let you choose between PvP and PvE but it got removed?

I hope that too.

But Impossible! and that is why i'm not buying any dlc/content about cyrodiil or ic, except if there is AP at crown store.

I think dev. making new dlc/new dun/new content/new chapter rather than wasting time to fix that problem.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Eh, I just won't ever enter Cyrodiil period. I despise pvp, I won't do it, I won't put my girls in the way of it, and I'm anything but a completionist anyway. Y'all can sit there in your pvp glory and you'll never get a shot at me. Yeah yeah - I'm only one player. Works for me.

I actually played on a pvp server in WoW, in a friend's guild - mostly to join the guild raids. The raids weren't fun either - and getting ganked out in the world sucked boulders through straws. By the time I could holler for help from whatever guildies were online, I was dead. My lag sucks, so dead is dead usually in a couple of seconds. I got one kill on my own in 6 months - and it was actually an even-level toon. I actually HATED it - I don't believe in killing other players' characters, and it shouldn't be classed as "fun".

So I gritted it out for those 6 months and then I deleted my toons on that server, and returned to my regular servers, where I had to actively CHOOSE to pvp by flagging, the which I did NOT (unless I absent-mindedly walked into the wrong area - but that's on me.... happened a few times....) Ditto RIFT though I never did pvp there at all.

So nope, ain't hap'nin. Just - yuck. Oh. And as for ZOS? They can suck rocks too because I don't CARE about what they envision - I only care about paying them to play the game MY WAY. Selfish? Yeah. *shrug*

you take things to seriously. being killed by a player is no different then getting killed by a mob.

That's your opinion. I'm entitled to mine. I guess if you can't see the difference....

Yes you are entitled to have an opinion, just as much as i can comment on your opinion, and say you take something too seriously. Your post comes off as rude.

"I don't believe in killing other players' characters, and it shouldn't be classed as "fun"." Is a very rude reply to have.

But again you are taking the game too seriously. There really is no difference between a player killing you and a monster/enemy npc killing you. You still get camped, you still loose progress. It really doesn't matter.

the three faction war is part of the pve experience, going to the front lines of it would make sense for it to be much harder, and more then likely will die.

Believe that if you want. I don't DO war period in games. We have WAY too much war IRL - I'm not messing with it in a game I play to GET AWAY from RL.

Now, explain to me how there's any faction war OUTSIDE of pvp? There isn't. Sure there are places you can run into op-fac troops - but you don't have to go there.... and I don't. I have toons in each faction, and I'm not interested in pretending they're mutually at war. The "three faction war" is NOT part of my pve experience. YMMV of course, and you're welcome to it.

Not to mention, of course, that if you're an "ambassador" for pvp, you're not doing a particularly good job. At least, not with me. All you're doing is reinforcing the belief I've already got that pvp folks are annoying and elitist. Oh, and how is saying I find killing other players' characters isn't fun "rude"? Jeezus - it's an opinion. It's my opinion. I didn't find it fun, and I won't ever do it again.

Okay, technically there is an alliance war outside of PVP.

Its just that One Tamriel erased most of it.

Pre-One Tamriel, alliance mattered because it dictated who you could and couldn't group with. This was an extremely welcome change.

Moreover, it also railroaded you through Cadwell's Silver and Gold, which made it clear that the only reason you got to do the other alliance quests was due to Meridia making you appear to be a member of that other alliance. And even that wasnt originally part of the game. This was a really good change, but it also made it a lot easier to miss parts of the lore that explain things like "Hi, I'm a Praetorian in the Army of the Ebonheart Pact, I'm here to help Queen Ayrenn claim her throne. What?"

Now, yeah, unless you really pay attention to Meridia's gift, alliance doesn't matter in PVE, at least to your player character. It matters a lot to the NPCs, especially the Pact's quest line. But they won't care whether you are EP or AD or DC.

Overall, I think One Tamriel was a good chance, but I sort of regret how some of the lore that helped make the whole game make sense got lost in the process.

It is mostly if the player chooses to do it, if you do the coldharbor tutorial it does drop you in your alliance starting area. I'm personally choosing not to do it as i enjoy rping to a degree.

I am happy one tam is a thing as TES never really did the "can only be this". Lore wise you can say the person saw what was going on and defected, or is a double agent.

Ic went downhill when PvP and PvE were mixed in one DLC which was done poorly. It caters more to PvP than PvE players.

There’s a war going on? Ok then let’s ignore the fact that a Daedric Prince and his army are in the sewers to fight amongst ourselves!

Seriously IC itself and the sewers should be neutral ground instead of this PvP crap.