What is Good DPS?

adeptusminor · April 2018

qwyksylver wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

You don’t need to animation cancel. You need Ele Drain, the lover mundus, blue food better CP placement to reach penetration and likely still sharpened weapons if you don’t have enough CP. assuming you have proper pet Sorc gear and legendary gold weapons. Even a plain gold sharp lightning staff and willpower arcane jewelry w/Illambris. You can hit 20k. A simple rotation and destro ult.

If you are seriously parsing on a dummy DO NOT use lover mundus, blue food only if you're a stam otherwise use witchmothers or have fun sustaining

I believe it's already been said in the thread, but the reason why many guilds don't want you to run the Lover mundus when parsing on a dummy is because in a trial setting you do not want to be running Lover since it will cause you to overpenatrate in a well synergized group. In other words, if you DO use the Lover mundus, while you might parse a bit higher on a target dummy, in an actual trial setting you will be doing less DPS compared to if you ran a different mundus stone. Also, I can promise you that if you parse with Lover just to get a higher parse, there *will* be times you forget to switch your mundus back when you do a trial (don't ask me how I know this)

edit: One exception to running the Lover might be vAS, where you likely won't be getting penetration boosts from sets since you will likely be too far away from the tank to get alkosh/torags on the spheres etc etc.

kylewwefan · April 2018

Something to think about.

3 minutes Dummy parse is 16k DPS

2 minutes nuking a 3 mil dummy down is 25k DPS

1 minute 15 seconds is 40k DPS

The dummy don’t hit back. It doesn’t move. It doesn’t call ads. There’s no AOE to dodge or get out of.

So there’s No need to shield up. Or stop DPS and move.

Dungeon bosses have between 4 and 6 mil health with loads of different mechanics.

Trials bosses have 50 mil + health. Hardmodes have more of both.

qwyksylver wrote: »

kylewwefan wrote: »

You don’t need to animation cancel. You need Ele Drain, the lover mundus, blue food better CP placement to reach penetration and likely still sharpened weapons if you don’t have enough CP. assuming you have proper pet Sorc gear and legendary gold weapons. Even a plain gold sharp lightning staff and willpower arcane jewelry w/Illambris. You can hit 20k. A simple rotation and destro ult.

If you are seriously parsing on a dummy DO NOT use lover mundus, blue food only if you're a stam otherwise use witchmothers or have fun sustaining

This isn’t a thread to get those kind of deeps. This is trying to get people from 7k DPS to 20k. I can help with that.

SkyIsTheLimit1206 · April 2018

I pull average 25K on 3 million health dummy on my Stamblade self-buffed no cheese at CP300

dunno if that's good or not

Strider__Roshin · April 2018

30k is pretty easy to land. 40k is what you should strive for if you want to get into trials.

abelsgmx · September 2018

I think the problem in this game is the people who dont have care how to play his role or if they are well geared and just go DPS thinking is the most easy role to play when is the more complex role play, resulting in a mediocre dps.

WhoThenNow7 · September 2018

Most I've hit was 35k on my stam dk.

VaranisArano · September 2018

I'm not sure this post needed to get necro'ed from April, guys.

kylewwefan · September 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm not sure this post needed to get necro'ed from April, guys.

Beats me? I figure if you’re still questioning this, you probably don’t have enough. Not the end of the world. Just stick with content you can handle.

Newer, and unoptimized DD commonly have 5k~10k DPS in my experiences. They’re fine in normal stuff.

People that know what they’re doing are at 20k+ Doesn’t necessarily mean they’re vet ready.

In group content, it’s common to see your damage jump 10~20k due to buffs/ de-buffs.

Good support and knowing mechanics goes further than Monster DPS imo.

Your dungeon experience should be a direct indicator if your group is hardmode capable. Again, not the end of the world.

Know your limits.

Ysbriel · January 2019

30K is the magic number that everybody who has not reached a big in game financial level should seek, why? well in the average dungeon scenario killing the mobs is that spawn around the boss while damaging the boss is the difference in between making it or not. By math 30k means 900k in 30 seconds which will melt the average mob if you keep adding it up to the 9 DD the usual trial have, we are talking about 8.1 Mil in 30 seconds. I reach that with my Mag sorc with 5 necropotence, 5 julianos 2 illambris and im totally awful at keeping up a steady rotation.

Raudgrani · January 2019

jakeedmundson wrote: »

That 50-60k number you hear from some people is complete BS.

absolute 100% top tier SUSTAINABLE dps on a dummy is around 40k (give or take a few thousand, maybe up to 45k)

The people that can hit 50k+ on the dummy are using cheat setups to fabricate dummy parses. which, yeah its awesome to see those numbers but... they don't do any vet trials with those builds. Not saying they can't HIT those numbers IN a trial. Just that they don't spec the same way when they do trials.

Plain and simple numbers, if you're at or above 25k dps... you can do pretty much everything in the game (some obvious exceptions like vMOL or vHOF)

They might hit those numbers in trials, with all group buffs; but not probably consistently, more after 25% health. And this requires a good team positioning too, no running around like lunatics all over the place.

And as for cheat setups; yes I guess so. I can hit 46k DPS now on my (non-meta) stamblade, using 7 Medium and Lava Foot Soup. I'm beating around 39-41 with two Heavy and Dubious Camoran. I can't use bi-stat food as I'm supposed to, I burn through that stamina in no time with just about 900 stamina recovery, no way I can make it.

Protossyder · January 2019

Raudgrani wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

That 50-60k number you hear from some people is complete BS.

absolute 100% top tier SUSTAINABLE dps on a dummy is around 40k (give or take a few thousand, maybe up to 45k)

The people that can hit 50k+ on the dummy are using cheat setups to fabricate dummy parses. which, yeah its awesome to see those numbers but... they don't do any vet trials with those builds. Not saying they can't HIT those numbers IN a trial. Just that they don't spec the same way when they do trials.

Plain and simple numbers, if you're at or above 25k dps... you can do pretty much everything in the game (some obvious exceptions like vMOL or vHOF)

They might hit those numbers in trials, with all group buffs; but not probably consistently, more after 25% health. And this requires a good team positioning too, no running around like lunatics all over the place.

And as for cheat setups; yes I guess so. I can hit 46k DPS now on my (non-meta) stamblade, using 7 Medium and Lava Foot Soup. I'm beating around 39-41 with two Heavy and Dubious Camoran. I can't use bi-stat food as I'm supposed to, I burn through that stamina in no time with just about 900 stamina recovery, no way I can make it.

@Raudgrani

Well, I had parses up to 56k+ with my Stamblade on the Dummy and guess what?
Blue buff food, no special cp, raid gear, usual skills and no support.

It's totally doable, you just need to improve.

Raudgrani · January 2019

Protossyder wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

That 50-60k number you hear from some people is complete BS.

absolute 100% top tier SUSTAINABLE dps on a dummy is around 40k (give or take a few thousand, maybe up to 45k)

The people that can hit 50k+ on the dummy are using cheat setups to fabricate dummy parses. which, yeah its awesome to see those numbers but... they don't do any vet trials with those builds. Not saying they can't HIT those numbers IN a trial. Just that they don't spec the same way when they do trials.

Plain and simple numbers, if you're at or above 25k dps... you can do pretty much everything in the game (some obvious exceptions like vMOL or vHOF)

They might hit those numbers in trials, with all group buffs; but not probably consistently, more after 25% health. And this requires a good team positioning too, no running around like lunatics all over the place.

And as for cheat setups; yes I guess so. I can hit 46k DPS now on my (non-meta) stamblade, using 7 Medium and Lava Foot Soup. I'm beating around 39-41 with two Heavy and Dubious Camoran. I can't use bi-stat food as I'm supposed to, I burn through that stamina in no time with just about 900 stamina recovery, no way I can make it.

@Raudgrani

Well, I had parses up to 56k+ with my Stamblade on the Dummy and guess what?
Blue buff food, no special cp, raid gear, usual skills and no support.

It's totally doable, you just need to improve.

Not saying you are a liar, but a huge chunk of those saying what you say are in fact liars. You go to their place and sneak up on them dummy crushing, and see their 10k health - and it still takes them a good 1:20 or so for them to bring it down. In 8 cases out of 10, I'm just "Sure, I know you do". I don't even discuss it, as I for a fact know they are lying, and cheesing everything to their max when they do those numbers. Maybe you don't, maybe you do. But fact remains, veeeeeeeeeery few do...

BejaProphet · January 2019

Raudgrani wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

That 50-60k number you hear from some people is complete BS.

absolute 100% top tier SUSTAINABLE dps on a dummy is around 40k (give or take a few thousand, maybe up to 45k)

The people that can hit 50k+ on the dummy are using cheat setups to fabricate dummy parses. which, yeah its awesome to see those numbers but... they don't do any vet trials with those builds. Not saying they can't HIT those numbers IN a trial. Just that they don't spec the same way when they do trials.

Plain and simple numbers, if you're at or above 25k dps... you can do pretty much everything in the game (some obvious exceptions like vMOL or vHOF)

They might hit those numbers in trials, with all group buffs; but not probably consistently, more after 25% health. And this requires a good team positioning too, no running around like lunatics all over the place.

And as for cheat setups; yes I guess so. I can hit 46k DPS now on my (non-meta) stamblade, using 7 Medium and Lava Foot Soup. I'm beating around 39-41 with two Heavy and Dubious Camoran. I can't use bi-stat food as I'm supposed to, I burn through that stamina in no time with just about 900 stamina recovery, no way I can make it.

@Raudgrani

Well, I had parses up to 56k+ with my Stamblade on the Dummy and guess what?
Blue buff food, no special cp, raid gear, usual skills and no support.

It's totally doable, you just need to improve.

Not saying you are a liar, but a huge chunk of those saying what you say are in fact liars. You go to their place and sneak up on them dummy crushing, and see their 10k health - and it still takes them a good 1:20 or so for them to bring it down. In 8 cases out of 10, I'm just "Sure, I know you do". I don't even discuss it, as I for a fact know they are lying, and cheesing everything to their max when they do those numbers. Maybe you don't, maybe you do. But fact remains, veeeeeeeeeery few do...

You find people who post on the forum then sneak into their house and watch them?😳

Raudgrani · January 2019

BejaProphet wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

That 50-60k number you hear from some people is complete BS.

absolute 100% top tier SUSTAINABLE dps on a dummy is around 40k (give or take a few thousand, maybe up to 45k)

The people that can hit 50k+ on the dummy are using cheat setups to fabricate dummy parses. which, yeah its awesome to see those numbers but... they don't do any vet trials with those builds. Not saying they can't HIT those numbers IN a trial. Just that they don't spec the same way when they do trials.

Plain and simple numbers, if you're at or above 25k dps... you can do pretty much everything in the game (some obvious exceptions like vMOL or vHOF)

They might hit those numbers in trials, with all group buffs; but not probably consistently, more after 25% health. And this requires a good team positioning too, no running around like lunatics all over the place.

And as for cheat setups; yes I guess so. I can hit 46k DPS now on my (non-meta) stamblade, using 7 Medium and Lava Foot Soup. I'm beating around 39-41 with two Heavy and Dubious Camoran. I can't use bi-stat food as I'm supposed to, I burn through that stamina in no time with just about 900 stamina recovery, no way I can make it.

@Raudgrani

Well, I had parses up to 56k+ with my Stamblade on the Dummy and guess what?
Blue buff food, no special cp, raid gear, usual skills and no support.

It's totally doable, you just need to improve.

Not saying you are a liar, but a huge chunk of those saying what you say are in fact liars. You go to their place and sneak up on them dummy crushing, and see their 10k health - and it still takes them a good 1:20 or so for them to bring it down. In 8 cases out of 10, I'm just "Sure, I know you do". I don't even discuss it, as I for a fact know they are lying, and cheesing everything to their max when they do those numbers. Maybe you don't, maybe you do. But fact remains, veeeeeeeeeery few do...

You find people who post on the forum then sneak into their house and watch them?😳

No. Nowhere did I say "people on the forum". People in the game in general. Believe it or not, I am in several guilds, and I play with other people.

It's easy to see too, in real situations. They supposedly do some nearly 60k DPS - okay - but somehow bigger trash in dungeons don't drop any faster to them than it does to me, yet they claim to do 1/3 more damage. So frankly, they should be there helping me drop that other Sea Lurcher in March of sacrifices, while I still have 1/3 left to go - but it never happens.

I have no clue why the truth is so hard to deal with for so many people in this game. What are they compensating for with all these exaggerations?

Rukzadlithau · January 2019

lordrichter wrote: »

Mobs die before you do. Plenty of DPS.

SirAndy wrote: »

Simple, good DPS is when the mobs die and you don't.

No need to put some arbitrary numbers on there ...

Lmao the „stay on the left lane below speed limit“ mentality.

Protossyder · January 2019

Raudgrani wrote: »

BejaProphet wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Protossyder wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

jakeedmundson wrote: »

That 50-60k number you hear from some people is complete BS.

absolute 100% top tier SUSTAINABLE dps on a dummy is around 40k (give or take a few thousand, maybe up to 45k)

The people that can hit 50k+ on the dummy are using cheat setups to fabricate dummy parses. which, yeah its awesome to see those numbers but... they don't do any vet trials with those builds. Not saying they can't HIT those numbers IN a trial. Just that they don't spec the same way when they do trials.

Plain and simple numbers, if you're at or above 25k dps... you can do pretty much everything in the game (some obvious exceptions like vMOL or vHOF)

They might hit those numbers in trials, with all group buffs; but not probably consistently, more after 25% health. And this requires a good team positioning too, no running around like lunatics all over the place.

And as for cheat setups; yes I guess so. I can hit 46k DPS now on my (non-meta) stamblade, using 7 Medium and Lava Foot Soup. I'm beating around 39-41 with two Heavy and Dubious Camoran. I can't use bi-stat food as I'm supposed to, I burn through that stamina in no time with just about 900 stamina recovery, no way I can make it.

@Raudgrani

Well, I had parses up to 56k+ with my Stamblade on the Dummy and guess what?
Blue buff food, no special cp, raid gear, usual skills and no support.

It's totally doable, you just need to improve.

Not saying you are a liar, but a huge chunk of those saying what you say are in fact liars. You go to their place and sneak up on them dummy crushing, and see their 10k health - and it still takes them a good 1:20 or so for them to bring it down. In 8 cases out of 10, I'm just "Sure, I know you do". I don't even discuss it, as I for a fact know they are lying, and cheesing everything to their max when they do those numbers. Maybe you don't, maybe you do. But fact remains, veeeeeeeeeery few do...

You find people who post on the forum then sneak into their house and watch them?😳

No. Nowhere did I say "people on the forum". People in the game in general. Believe it or not, I am in several guilds, and I play with other people.

It's easy to see too, in real situations. They supposedly do some nearly 60k DPS - okay - but somehow bigger trash in dungeons don't drop any faster to them than it does to me, yet they claim to do 1/3 more damage. So frankly, they should be there helping me drop that other Sea Lurcher in March of sacrifices, while I still have 1/3 left to go - but it never happens.

I have no clue why the truth is so hard to deal with for so many people in this game. What are they compensating for with all these exaggerations?

@Raudgrani

Are you stupid? The longer a fights lasts, the more you will benefit from a good and sustainable rotation (if you don't lose concentration of course), bloodthirsty traits (executes in general) and stacking bonuses (e.g. Relequen, AY, Siroria etc.).

For short mob group fights (or "bigger" mobs) it's not worth it to run your full rotation. I just drop my two AoE DoTs (hail + caltrops/ blockade + class AoE) and use my spammable on the biggest add. Most of the times I can only fire 1 - 2 executes before everything is dead anyways.
Sets like Mothers Sorrow, Julianos, Hundings, VO, etc. and AoE skills obviously come in handy, but I simply don't bother switching after and before every boss fight.

So don't get too excited when you have as much DPS as one of those "liars" in a trash fight, because he will probably destroy you in the next boss fight.

karekiz · January 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm not sure this post needed to get necro'ed from April, guys.

Little did he know Necromancers would be added

LordTareq · January 2019

My heavy armor 2-handed sword wielding stamina nightblade only parses 12k. Does well in PvP though. Seeing those 40-50k dps numbers is just absurd. No way there should be that large of a difference between optimal and sub-optimal.

LuciusEsox · October 2019

jakeedmundson wrote: »

craftycarper73 wrote: »

just remeber a dummy doesnt hit back, you dont have to dodge roll or block attacks and it doesnt de buff you.

test dummys are in other words BS and a fancy housing item so the elites can stroke there coc......s in public.

Not exactly... i'm guessing your dps is lower than average and you're bitter about it?

If you practice your rotation on a dummy, it provides the muscle memory necessary to pick up on your rotation when you have to break away for mechanics - like roll dodging, blocking, etc... Also, there's a reason you get ZERO help with buffs and synergies during a test (except elemental drain or pierce armor)
The idea behind the no buffs/synergies concept is if you can effectively sustain with high dps on the dummy... the synergies and other buffs you receive in an actual trial will help cover the roll dodge/block costs.

TLDR - dps dummies are important to teach you a solid rotation

Vildebill · October 2019

How many times can this thread be resurrected?

kylewwefan · October 2019

Sadly, it’s still highly relevant. Though Necro for sure.

Casul · October 2019

I will admit I only read the first page but here is my opinion.

Dummy parses are important for gauging DPS, but no one should be looking at that DPS as a realistic standard. Dummy parses are you at your very best. The concept is if I can pull 50k on a 3mil by myself then in a actual trial I can pull 35-40k at all times. If someone is only hitting 25k then we can expect there actually combat DPS to be in the 20k realm.

With that in mind many up and coming DPS players also seem confused with the standards of dummy parses. Generally for the trial guilds I have run with a solo parse is 3 or 6 mil, sustain food (so 12k HP, the extra regen is to simulate a healer's orbs), no assistance what so ever.

There are variations of this such as some guilds allowing orbs or puncture to the parse but in my experience a solo parse is truely a SOLO parse.

We should not be telling people that parses are an ego stroke because they are a necessary tool for endgame DPS, and allow people to both 1) gauge for themselves their improvement and progress as they evolve into a better DPS 2) allow other people to offer insight based on the damage they hit vs the gear they have.

If any other reason is necessary to why we need them then I will say at the most basic level you need them to practice your rotation until it becomes fluid, and thus muscle memory. Once your rotation becomes muscle memory you can do it even while under added stress such as boss mechanics.