Nifty2g wrote: »

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Magicka
(3 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 Spell Damage
(5 items) When you die, you instead become immune to all negative effects and healing for 3 seconds. When the effect ends, you heal for 17200 Health and explode for 8600 Flame Damage to all enemies within 8 meters. This effect can occur once every 10 minutes.

(2 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken
(3) Gain Minor Aegis at all times, reducing your damage taken from Dungeon and Trial Monsters by 5%.
(4 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(5 items) When you die, you instead turn into a statue for 3 seconds and gain 200 Ultimate. While a statue you are immune to all negative effects but can still be healed. This effect can occur once every 10 minutes.
(5 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken

This is mainly a thread at those groups who have been using these sets for months in Asylum & Cloudrest for somewhat easier hardmode kills making it easier than intended.


This has been going on for awhile now and these sets have been used for quite some time to be used for getting achievements that are intended to be the hardest in the game by defeating the purpose of "no death". Devaluing achievements with these sets shouldn't be a thing, these sets should be a little reworked and maybe change the threshold so it's a proc at 10% health instead of 0% health so it's not used as a total crutch. I personally do not mind the set, it's a decent concept but it should be changed a little bit so it doesn't flat out screw with intended hardest achievements to get, it makes unrewarding content even more unrewarding.

I hope you guys at ZOS look into this so that the content is not easier just because of a set like this allowing people to die during a no death, depending whatever the content is, either a trial or a dungeon.

Just because a set is in the game doesn't mean it should be used, and this is clearly overlooked and the proc could be changed to where it would make it a tad bit unappealing and not as strong for the PvE content.

@ZOS_Finn @ZOS_GinaBruno

I dont see any problem with these sets, and your fix of at 10% health wouldnt do anything. If they get as low as 10% health from 1 hit chances are it would have killed them anyway. The sets basically say "you are allowed 1 mistake every 10 minutes" which is a long cooldown, so if you died once, you will probably die again within 10 minutes. These sets are not the problem and they were put in the game probably for PvE use to make it a little easier it's not like the set Is on a 1 minute cooldown, its 1 mistake every 10 minutes which is fine. The chances of you dying again are just as high as the first time when you were saved.

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

And they call PvP'ers crybabies.

One hypocritical *** does not represent all of PvE... You'll notice that the OP hasn't exactly gotten much support for his idea.

This post makes it sound like every guild has memer, ticktock and geryphan heart titles due to these sets!

Please remove all titles away from guilds other than hodor. Hodor is the only guild that deserves them Kappa

101 on how to summon a *** storm. well deserved.

For context, this thread was made in response to a Stack And Burn vCR +3 run where we had full vit but were 6 seconds off of speed run. For the record, we did NOT have anyone in Phoenix for the run, the lack of speed was simply due to not stacking minis and having lower DPS than other groups going for the same achievement. There is video proof of no procs. And even IF we were wearing it but didn't proc it, wouldn't we have essentially made the achievement HARDER by wearing it?

In my opinion this is obviously not cheating/exploiting (see above posts about "instead" negating the death, and I recognize that the OP didn't claim this) and what is "cheesing" is rather arbitrary. Is it "cheesing" to run anything defensive? Most groups put more than minimum HP. Is Iceheart cheesing? I realize now that a lot of players have a negative opinion of "playing it safe," which is fine, but the achievement is "No Deaths." Playing it safe is basically implied.

I don't care at all if these sets are changed (the OP's suggestion doesn't even seem like it would change much), I do care about the unwarranted toxicity directed at us in several discords (especially considering we weren't even using what we are "accused" of using for the GH runs). It is really immature imo.

I haven't used phoenix for maybe over a year, last time i was in imperial city but i still tested it and unless it changed since then, phoenix does count as death in a trial.

Phoenix and Yokeda are actually both a pretty significant DPS loss. Phoenix cannot be combined with Siroria and a Monster set, so wearing it means giving up one of the most important gear sets of any build, usually cutting DPS by 8-10%. Yokeda means the tank is not running another group support set, this may be Alkosh, Torugs, Dragon or Ebon, all of which decrease group DPS (Ebon because everyone needs more points in health and less in their primary damage resource). Since all of the important deathless achievements have a speed requirement, these sets can make it harder.

Also, I’ve heard that neither of these sets actually work in Cloudrest, since if you die from overload (bar swap) you will continue channeling while the proc animation goes off and wipe the entire group. I can’t say I’ve tested this myself, but it sounds like something that should be avoided.

In my opinion both of these sets are being used exactly as they were intended by the devs. They are strictly PVE sets, and are pretty useless in PVP (you just get to die twice). It’s not like they give invincibility, and if somebody is capable of surviving 10 mins during the cooldown then they are good enough to survive without the set at all (it might just take a couple more pulls).

It seems like a pretty arbitrary complaint TBH. What sets should be allowable in your opinion? I’ve seen Iceheart save a lot more lives than Yokeda or Phoenix. The same goes for Earthgore. What about sets like Juggernaut and Whitestrakes? Should they be banned in trials? How about ultimates, both Magma Shell and Undo can be used to prevent intended one-shots. Remove these as well?

If the devs decide this is unintended then I have no problem with the sets being changed or removed. Until then I plan to use the best equipment available for the job. And FYI will not be using any of the sets mentioned above as I push for Gryphon Heart, since they are simply not the best option.

The text on both sets does say "when you die"..... It should be counted as a death in PVP and PVE. I cant speak for the devs, but it seems the sets were designed as a free rez.

Using these sets for no deaths has always been a meme in top raid guilds going for these achievements, but if someone actually wants to do it that way, who cares honestly? More power to them.

It's not even creative use either. Practically everyone in raiding knows it will work, they just opt not to do it. Better sense of accomplishment, better preparation for score runs. Complaining about the use of these sets is well..... rather petty honestly.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

This game consists of a very casual player base, it would be in their best interests to be against this and you will see that reflected in this thread. The majority will be against your suggestion as with these sets those no death achievements are a bit more within their reach.

@Aliyavana Normally you farm for forum reactions, you won't get any reactions for that reply no matter how true it is lmao

I like memeing in the forums, but this is my honest opinion. I don't have the skill level nor friends that perform in the level to no death most of the newer dlc achievements and If I can't do it i don't deserve those achievements, much less if I cheese it with a method such as this. I wouldnt feel i earned these cosmetics that way.