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Argonian race taking over ESO
Thoradeldo
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Ever since the previous updates, I noticed the game ESO has been primarily about resource management. I have watch my ESO friends and including other ESO players change almost all their Stamina or Magicka classes to Argonian Dragonknight, Sorcerer, Nightblade, Templar or Warden do to the Passive: Resourceful. What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.
So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.
Edited by Thoradeldo on August 28, 2018 6:06PM So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.
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"Lizards......lizards everywhere"Edited by Katahdin on August 28, 2018 6:05PMBeta tester November 20131 -
Davor✭✭✭✭✭
✭Why are you running low on resources with what you are playing now? Shouldn't the question be is "how to sustain my resource with X character/race"?
I am sure if you go Argonian you will not be good at it. It will not be the fix you want. Is really having a every 45 sec refill that much big a deal? I don't know, so I am asking. I only do PvE so I don't know if it is or not.Not my quote but I love this saying
"I would pay It for support. But since they choosed we are just numbers and not customers, i dont mind if game and zos goes to oblivion"8 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Argonians are not a race, they are property and leather.Edited by Aliyavana on August 28, 2018 7:51PM35 -
Krayl✭✭✭✭✭The prob with racial passives in this game is that very few are applicable to all classes/roles. Argonian is the exception - more hp helps everyone. More healing recieved and done helps everyone. more resources from potions helps everyone.
Meanwhile some races passives are only useful for a single niche role.
IMHO racial passives need an overhaul; dont' nerf anyone but add something to all racial passives that anyone of any role at least gets SOME benefit from.15 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why are you running low on resources with what you are playing now? Shouldn't the question be is "how to sustain my resource with X character/race"?
I am sure if you go Argonian you will not be good at it. It will not be the fix you want. Is really having a every 45 sec refill that much big a deal? I don't know, so I am asking. I only do PvE so I don't know if it is or not.
The extra sustain is the main reason why Argonians are the master race for tanks and healers. They make decent DPS tooValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake5 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Not really, I still hear/read about "Altmer BiS for magicka". So don't worry, the reptilians aren't taking over.
You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
For the Pact!5 -
Sailor_Palutena✭✭✭✭I barely need to use potions. At the moment I'm hoarding over 120 Crown Potions that restore 5000 of Health, Stamina and Magicka because I barely need. I'd rather continue with my increased Magicka Damage, my main source of dps.4 -
Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have changed my
MNB from High Elf to Argo
Mtemp from High elf to Argo
MDK from Dunmer to Argo
Other than Mag temp I do swap the others for Stam to mag and vice versa.
Things that will always stay their race
StamBlade Woodelf
Orc Stam Sorc
High Elf mag Sorc
Breton MagWarden
In my case it’s mostly better but those above won’t ever change0 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »Ever since the previous updates, I noticed the game ESO has been primarily about resource management. I have watch my ESO friends and including other ESO players change almost all their Stamina or Magicka classes to Argonian Dragonknight, Sorcerer, Nightblade, Templar or Warden do to the Passive: Resourceful. What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.
So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.
So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment1 -
LMar✭✭✭✭✭
✭The River always winds. Sometimes it is fast, sometimes slow. It will bring a flurry of posts about another race at another time. Or is it now? Time is but an Egg"If a stick of fish is a fish stick, it will stick like other fish sticks stick"
"Taller races now sit in chairs correctly"8 -
SweetrollBunny✭✭✭I only play Argonians for the Lusty Argonian Maid role play.
"Wonderful! Time for a celebration... Cheese for everyone!" - Sheogorath0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sorry there’s literally nothing you could do to the Argonian racial passive that would make me switch to an ugly lizard with a fat tail and a monotone voice.
I tried to make an Argonian with a look like the kinds of reptiles I like irl and I couldn’t do it. Making one I like the looks of escapes me.
Nah. Pass.
This is Fashion Scrolls Online, I’m looking toward end game Vanity boss#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
#OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »Ever since the previous updates, I noticed the game ESO has been primarily about resource management. I have watch my ESO friends and including other ESO players change almost all their Stamina or Magicka classes to Argonian Dragonknight, Sorcerer, Nightblade, Templar or Warden do to the Passive: Resourceful. What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.
So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.
So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment
Tanks do, if they can afford gold jewelry. 3 Infused Potion enchants allow you to have 2 separate pots runningValrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake7 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »So my question is why play as any other race?
For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.
The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."5 -
Krayl✭✭✭✭✭So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment
They are better than a "stamina orc", yes. Sustain on orcs is bad.
And I use potion CD enchants on my tank.
the healing portion of the potions are also 5% stronger on an argonian.
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Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »So my question is why play as any other race?
For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.
The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."
But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
Kelces✭✭✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »So my question is why play as any other race?
For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.
The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."
But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...
I wish, you were right there on the healer part...You reveal yourself best in how you play.
Kelces - Argonian Templar
Farel Donvu - Dark Elf Sorcerer
Navam Llervu - Dark Elf Dragonknight
Aniseth - Wood Elf Warden
Therediel - Wood Elf Templar
Nilonwy - Wood Elf Nightblade
Jurupari - Argonian Warden
Kú-Chulainn - Argonian Sorcerer
PC - EU
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Anastian✭✭✭Argonians are the master race. We had the weak spot for EONS, now let us shine! For the Hist!
Jokes apart, excelling at resource management is good but we have a much lower damage output compared to all the damage focused races. Sure, we might have better sustain, but a good group setup can cover you on that (and knowing your class, i.e. when to heavy attack during the rotation or how to cope with low recovery).
If I was to suggest a race change, the only one I'd touch would be the Breton who has a spot only as a (weak) healer, while the other races are more or less fine both PvP and PvE wise, with each of them having a niche excellence at various roles (argonian healers, dark elf magblades, redguard stamplars, imperial stamdk, high elf sorc...)3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »So my question is why play as any other race?
For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.
The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."
But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...
Okay? How is this an objection to what I wrote?0 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »So my question is why play as any other race?
For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.
The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."
But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...
I wish, you were right there on the healer part...
What other race would you play as a tank, from a min-max point of view and why?
Argonians have bonus health, bonus magicka, bonus healing done AND received (which means self-heals benefit doubly), and resource restoration on potion use, which synergizes perfectly with Infused Potion Speed enchantments (reduces the cooldown of potions by a total of 24 seconds, so you can have 2 overlapping potions at once or simply drink twice the amount of Tripots).
All-in-all, Argonian is by and large the perfect race for tanking and far surpasses every other race in this respect.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake1 -
Valrien✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »So my question is why play as any other race?
For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.
The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."
But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...
Okay? How is this an objection to what I wrote?
Misread, sounded to me like you were arguing that Argonians were not for min-max players.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
Garahel Dravic -- Level 50 Bosmeri Nightblade (EP)Tamriel Unlimited was a mistake. One Tamriel was a bigger mistake0 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Draconic_Sensei wrote: »So my question is why play as any other race?
For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.
The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."
But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...
Okay? How is this an objection to what I wrote?
Misread, sounded to me like you were arguing that Argonians were not for min-max players.
It's okay.
I generally have no interest in min-maxing, but especially had no interest in it when I came to recognize it really, really isn't necessary for this game. My tank is an Imperial templar and does fine in everything I've thrown at him. Even trials, and I was nervous about that. Who needs lizards?Edited by Starlock on August 28, 2018 7:13PM2 -
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I for one, welcome our new Argonian overlords. May the streets flow with the blood of the non-believers...."Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."10
