Argonian race taking over ESO

Chicharron

We are Legion!

Tryxus

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

I for one, welcome our new Argonian overlords. May the streets flow with the blood of the non-believers....

May they become fertilizer for our Hist!

Davor

Krayl wrote: »

Davor wrote: »

So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment

They are better than a "stamina orc", yes. Sustain on orcs is bad.

And I use potion CD enchants on my tank.

the healing portion of the potions are also 5% stronger on an argonian.

I think you misquoted some how. I never wrote that.

UppGRAYxDD

Tryxus wrote: »

UppGRAYxDD wrote: »

I for one, welcome our new Argonian overlords. May the streets flow with the blood of the non-believers....

May they become fertilizer for our Hist!

No, the NaCl levelssss were to high...

Donnasnowheart_ESO

I think Op should prob state that its strictly pvp and more so battlegrounds and non cp where it's actually a big deal.

LadyNalcarya

Argonians are overtuned. You know that a race is OP when it's extremely good for any spec (in pvp). Not only that, they are also the best choice for healers and tanks. The only thing they dont excel at is top tier raiding (as a dd), but let's be honest, endgame raiders are a very small minority.
Not that altmers arent kinda OP, but at least they arent great for both stam, magicka and tanking.

I personally tried very hard to like them (I'm a healer) but I have a very strong uncanny valley feeling when I look at them so I'm not very happy. Idk, something about them just creeps me out.

Enslaved

Im glad.

LMar

For those saying they are OP if you use potion cool down glyphs and crafted potions, think About it a bit. You are sacrificing your jewellery glyphs AND traits for sustain and you need to keep crafting expensive potions . If you make a three way sacrifice for something then it'd better be worth it! That's the definition of balance no? Take something to give something. The Egg curves out and then in

LadyNalcarya

LMar wrote: »

For those saying they are OP if you use potion cool down glyphs and crafted potions, think About it a bit. You are sacrificing your jewellery glyphs AND traits for sustain and you need to keep crafting expensive potions . If you make a three way sacrifice for something then it'd better be worth it! That's the definition of balance no? Take something to give something. The Egg curves out and then in

Every endgame player uses crafting potions, they are just too good to pass.
Also, every trash pot pretty much equals to an expensive tripot if you're an argonian.

HighKinlady

Inhuman003 wrote: »

Long live the Lizards of Angonia hail the Lizard King

I was expecting a Jim morrison / argonian crossover for the picture

Valrien

LMar wrote: »

For those saying they are OP if you use potion cool down glyphs and crafted potions, think About it a bit. You are sacrificing your jewellery glyphs AND traits for sustain and you need to keep crafting expensive potions . If you make a three way sacrifice for something then it'd better be worth it! That's the definition of balance no? Take something to give something. The Egg curves out and then in

Not much of a sacrifice, considering jewelry traits and jewelry enchantments aren't much of a big deal...especially when compared to the gain that Infused Potion Cooldown glyphs give you.

For example, on a tank what else would you really use? You have CP and full Sturdy gear (or 4 Sturdy) so you don't need block cost, and you're getting sustain from pots so it's not like you need any other cost enchants or max resource traits.

Basically you sacrifice next to nothing and gain almost everything on a tank.

For other classes, you DO make sacrifices but mostly in your wallet since gold jewelry is expensive.

Inhuman003

HighKinlady wrote: »

Inhuman003 wrote: »

Long live the Lizards of Angonia hail the Lizard King

I was expecting a Jim morrison / argonian crossover for the picture

Laugh out loud that was before my time I'm still young blood

Hal_Moore

Drako_Ei wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

Ever since the previous updates, I noticed the game ESO has been primarily about resource management. I have watch my ESO friends and including other ESO players change almost all their Stamina or Magicka classes to Argonian Dragonknight, Sorcerer, Nightblade, Templar or Warden do to the Passive: Resourceful. What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.

So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.

So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment

The potion cool down with unfused gold jewelry with potion enchant is 21 secs...

Yea only the most inexperienced players will do that cause that is not good at all.

Samsgaard

Not that you'd necessarily want to, but if you wanted to build a character entirely around the use of potions--starting with choosing Argonian as the race--what would the rest of the potion-specific elements be?

I imagine they would include:

1) Maxed alchemy crafting skill line
2) 5-pieces of Clever Alchemist gear
3) Potion speed or potion boost enchantments on jewelry

What else?

Tandor

Don't worry OP, I have 26 characters and not a single Argonian among them! But then I play the game the way I want to play it, rather than the way some other players tell me it should be played. Then again, I have no interest in competitive gameplay otherwise I imagine I would have no option but to pour over other people's streamings and follow the herd, which has always seemed to me to be a very odd way of playing a role-playing game but then one of the joys of the human race (and the Argonians, I imagine) is that we're all different.

Leogon

I personally prefer having 10% max magicka and a recovery/cost reduction passive that's constant than having 3% max magicka and the resourceful passive that only works every 45 sec.

Jhalin

For apparently being such an epidemic, I still haven’t hit that kill Argonians achievement and I’ve been playing BGs months, the most common seem to be Altmer, Dunmer, and Redguard. Even Imperials have been more common to run into.

Skoomah

People hit so hard now that the extra HP and bonuses to healing are required to survive longer than 5 seconds in PvP.

Valrien

Samsgaard wrote: »

Not that you'd necessarily want to, but if you wanted to build a character entirely around the use of potions--starting with choosing Argonian as the race--what would the rest of the potion-specific elements be?

I imagine they would include:

1) Maxed alchemy crafting skill line
2) 5-pieces of Clever Alchemist gear
3) Potion speed or potion boost enchantments on jewelry

What else?

Moon Hunter set, just to keep in theme with "alchemy" even if poisons don't really benefit from any passives...to my knowledge?

Plague Doctor Costume, for aesthetics (Fanged Worm works too because they have potions on their belt)

A big collection of different potions and poisons, obviously

That's all I can think of

Sharee

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.

4620 every 45 seconds is roughly 200 regen(for all stats) if you drink potions on cooldown. Some of it will be wasted tho(you drank a pot because you are low on stamina, but your magicka and health was full).

On the other hand, take the bosmer passive that increases stamina regen by 20%. If you have 2000 regen, then the passive adds 400. And you don't have to pay for it(potions aren't free).

What argonians excel at is the "off regen" (regen of the stat that is not your specialization), but they certainly aren't regenerating their primary stat better than any other race can.

Valrien

Sharee wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.

4620 every 45 seconds is roughly 200 regen(for all stats) if you drink potions on cooldown. Some of it will be wasted tho(you drank a pot because you are low on stamina, but your magicka and health was full).

On the other hand, take the bosmer passive that increases stamina regen by 20%. If you have 2000 regen, then the passive adds 400. And you don't have to pay for it(potions aren't free).

What argonians excel at is the "off regen" (regen of the stat that is not your specialization), but they certainly aren't regenerating their primary stat better than any other race can.

In PvE those regen stats are never that high, so actually Argonian probably is regenerating their primary stat better than any other race.

In PvP you probably have a point, but many stamina builds never have full Magicka pulls because of their utility skills.

Sheezabeast

Just wait till Murkmire drops, everyone and their egg brother will be rolling Argonian, like Altmer in Summerset.

Sharee

Valrien wrote: »

Sharee wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.

4620 every 45 seconds is roughly 200 regen(for all stats) if you drink potions on cooldown. Some of it will be wasted tho(you drank a pot because you are low on stamina, but your magicka and health was full).

On the other hand, take the bosmer passive that increases stamina regen by 20%. If you have 2000 regen, then the passive adds 400. And you don't have to pay for it(potions aren't free).

What argonians excel at is the "off regen" (regen of the stat that is not your specialization), but they certainly aren't regenerating their primary stat better than any other race can.

In PvE those regen stats are never that high, so actually Argonian probably is regenerating their primary stat better than any other race.

A bosmer only needs 1000 base stamina regen to match the argonian passive for primary stat regen.

Recremen

Just in timE FOR MURKMIRE HYPE IT UP MY SAXHLEEL FRIENDS

LMar

You could use infused cost reduction glyphs instead of potion cooldown glyphs. They work all the time and probably help more. Not sure if they also work for sprinting, blocking and dodge rolling

Valrien

LMar wrote: »

You could use infused cost reduction glyphs instead of potion cooldown glyphs. They work all the time and probably help more. Not sure if they also work for sprinting, blocking and dodge rolling

Would not work as well. And infused potion enchants also work all the time, by reducing the timer.

Plus, the potion enchants are far more flexible. More uptime on CC immunity for example, or twice the uptime on potion buffs.

Cost reduction wouldn't even hold a candle to those in terms of flexibility. It's just that not everyone feels they necessarily need the potion enchants, or they feel they are far too expensive

Kalante

Is this why every sweaty player runs argonian in ps4 na? The passives are too good they need to get nerfed. How they can just use one pot and all of their resources are back to full is asinine.

What_In_Tarnation

Same thing happened in PvE but not just Argonians. Recent patches (summerset and wolfhunter) are basically like Pre-Morrowind patch but with slightly lower health.

Almost every dps is running dubious camoran throne/witchmother's potent brew, cause light attack + spamming ability (typical example: Imbue weapon (both morphes) while do a properly rotation. Even with lower resource will reduce a bit your damage, but you can still performing better if you can sustain long enough due to these max hp + max stam(or mag) + stam(or mag) recovery) drinks.

JiKama

Khajiit=Best Race

Gronk

I have an Argonian watchband