Argonian race taking over ESO

Thoradeldo

Ever since the previous updates, I noticed the game ESO has been primarily about resource management. I have watch my ESO friends and including other ESO players change almost all their Stamina or Magicka classes to Argonian Dragonknight, Sorcerer, Nightblade, Templar or Warden do to the Passive: Resourceful. What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.

So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.

Katahdin

Where is Buzz Lightyear?

"Lizards......lizards everywhere"

pauli133

The Hist welcomes all.

Davor

Why are you running low on resources with what you are playing now? Shouldn't the question be is "how to sustain my resource with X character/race"?

I am sure if you go Argonian you will not be good at it. It will not be the fix you want. Is really having a every 45 sec refill that much big a deal? I don't know, so I am asking. I only do PvE so I don't know if it is or not.

Aliyavana

Argonians are not a race, they are property and leather.

Silver_Strider

Argonian Master Race.

Krayl

The prob with racial passives in this game is that very few are applicable to all classes/roles. Argonian is the exception - more hp helps everyone. More healing recieved and done helps everyone. more resources from potions helps everyone.

Meanwhile some races passives are only useful for a single niche role.

IMHO racial passives need an overhaul; dont' nerf anyone but add something to all racial passives that anyone of any role at least gets SOME benefit from.

Valrien

Davor wrote: »

Why are you running low on resources with what you are playing now? Shouldn't the question be is "how to sustain my resource with X character/race"?

I am sure if you go Argonian you will not be good at it. It will not be the fix you want. Is really having a every 45 sec refill that much big a deal? I don't know, so I am asking. I only do PvE so I don't know if it is or not.

The extra sustain is the main reason why Argonians are the master race for tanks and healers. They make decent DPS too

Kelces

Not really, I still hear/read about "Altmer BiS for magicka". So don't worry, the reptilians aren't taking over.

Sailor_Palutena

I barely need to use potions. At the moment I'm hoarding over 120 Crown Potions that restore 5000 of Health, Stamina and Magicka because I barely need. I'd rather continue with my increased Magicka Damage, my main source of dps.

Koolio

I have changed my
MNB from High Elf to Argo
Mtemp from High elf to Argo
MDK from Dunmer to Argo

Other than Mag temp I do swap the others for Stam to mag and vice versa.

Things that will always stay their race

StamBlade Woodelf
Orc Stam Sorc
High Elf mag Sorc
Breton MagWarden

In my case it’s mostly better but those above won’t ever change

Drako_Ei

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

Ever since the previous updates, I noticed the game ESO has been primarily about resource management. I have watch my ESO friends and including other ESO players change almost all their Stamina or Magicka classes to Argonian Dragonknight, Sorcerer, Nightblade, Templar or Warden do to the Passive: Resourceful. What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.

So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.

So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment

LMar

The River always winds. Sometimes it is fast, sometimes slow. It will bring a flurry of posts about another race at another time. Or is it now? Time is but an Egg

Lord_Eomer

Lizard folks took over PVE tanking or PVP!

#MasterRace

SweetrollBunny

I only play Argonians for the Lusty Argonian Maid role play.

Inhuman003

Long live the Lizards of Angonia hail the Lizard King

max_only

Sorry there’s literally nothing you could do to the Argonian racial passive that would make me switch to an ugly lizard with a fat tail and a monotone voice.
I tried to make an Argonian with a look like the kinds of reptiles I like irl and I couldn’t do it. Making one I like the looks of escapes me.
Nah. Pass.
This is Fashion Scrolls Online, I’m looking toward end game Vanity boss

TheCaptainJosh

What's with all the nerf argonian threads recently?

Valrien

Drako_Ei wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

Ever since the previous updates, I noticed the game ESO has been primarily about resource management. I have watch my ESO friends and including other ESO players change almost all their Stamina or Magicka classes to Argonian Dragonknight, Sorcerer, Nightblade, Templar or Warden do to the Passive: Resourceful. What's better the 4% shock, fire, frost from the High Elf, 7% fire, 2% shock, frost from Dark Elf, other etc... or the passive: Resourceful which gives you: whenever you drink a potion you restore 4620 Health, Magicka, and Stamina? Honestly the resource management is way better, if you out sustain you're opponents resources, you've pretty much won.

So my question is why play as any other race? I am thinking about changing my Dark Elf Dragonkight, Redguard Dragonknight, High Elf Sorcerer, Orc Sorcerer etc... to Argonian, because of the Resourceful passive. All other races seem to becoming less favored.

So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment

Tanks do, if they can afford gold jewelry. 3 Infused Potion enchants allow you to have 2 separate pots running

Starlock

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

So my question is why play as any other race?

For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.

The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."

AhPook_Is_Here

Katahdin wrote: »

Where is Buzz Lightyear?

"Lizards......lizards everywhere"

"Beyond Infinity"
-kubric/clarke 2001

Infinity and Beyond
-buzz lightyear

JesQu

I haven't changed and never will do.

Krayl

Davor wrote: »

So you think that argonians are better than a magicka high elf, an stamina orc, and a stamina redguard? The resourceful passive is cool but keep in mind that is every 45 seconds, and no, no one will ever use potion cooldown enchantment

They are better than a "stamina orc", yes. Sustain on orcs is bad.

And I use potion CD enchants on my tank.

the healing portion of the potions are also 5% stronger on an argonian.

Valrien

Starlock wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

So my question is why play as any other race?

For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.

The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."

But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...

Kelces

Valrien wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

So my question is why play as any other race?

For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.

The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."

But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...

I wish, you were right there on the healer part...

Anastian

Argonians are the master race. We had the weak spot for EONS, now let us shine! For the Hist!

Jokes apart, excelling at resource management is good but we have a much lower damage output compared to all the damage focused races. Sure, we might have better sustain, but a good group setup can cover you on that (and knowing your class, i.e. when to heavy attack during the rotation or how to cope with low recovery).

If I was to suggest a race change, the only one I'd touch would be the Breton who has a spot only as a (weak) healer, while the other races are more or less fine both PvP and PvE wise, with each of them having a niche excellence at various roles (argonian healers, dark elf magblades, redguard stamplars, imperial stamdk, high elf sorc...)

Starlock

Valrien wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

So my question is why play as any other race?

For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.

The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."

But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...

Okay? How is this an objection to what I wrote?

Valrien

Kelces wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

So my question is why play as any other race?

For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.

The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."

But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...

I wish, you were right there on the healer part...

What other race would you play as a tank, from a min-max point of view and why?

Argonians have bonus health, bonus magicka, bonus healing done AND received (which means self-heals benefit doubly), and resource restoration on potion use, which synergizes perfectly with Infused Potion Speed enchantments (reduces the cooldown of potions by a total of 24 seconds, so you can have 2 overlapping potions at once or simply drink twice the amount of Tripots).

All-in-all, Argonian is by and large the perfect race for tanking and far surpasses every other race in this respect.

Valrien

Starlock wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

So my question is why play as any other race?

For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.

The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."

But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...

Okay? How is this an objection to what I wrote?

Misread, sounded to me like you were arguing that Argonians were not for min-max players.

Starlock

Valrien wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

Draconic_Sensei wrote: »

So my question is why play as any other race?

For you? Probably none. Your OP centers around the concerns of a power gamer. Power gamers or min maxers will only ever pick what they perceive as the "best" for whatever it is they are doing.

The rest of us who are not power gamers have plenty of reasons for not playing argonians. Those reasons range from a simple "I don't want to" to "that doesn't fit the character I intend to role play."

But argonian is literally the min max race for healers and tanks...

Okay? How is this an objection to what I wrote?

Misread, sounded to me like you were arguing that Argonians were not for min-max players.

It's okay.

I generally have no interest in min-maxing, but especially had no interest in it when I came to recognize it really, really isn't necessary for this game. My tank is an Imperial templar and does fine in everything I've thrown at him. Even trials, and I was nervous about that. Who needs lizards?

UppGRAYxDD

I for one, welcome our new Argonian overlords. May the streets flow with the blood of the non-believers....