I like the suggestion of not being able to use it for the remaining duration if broken via damage, that helps minimize cloak spam and there's also always the possibility of cost increase as with streak.

I spam it on my stamblade all the time, it's definitely way better and powerful than streak. Not to mention that it buffs up my resistances and guarantees I crit on the next hard hitter. I imagine it will be even better once I slap on some swift action on it.

Increase duration of Cloak to 4.5 seconds. Every time you cast Cloak you gain up to 2 stacks of [insert name] that decrease the duration of Cloak for 2 seconds. These stacks last 6 seconds and do not refresh but every stack past 2 replaces the oldest stack.

That's 10 seconds of unbroken Cloak (4) chaining or a 1.5 second window of vulnerability to avoid penalty at 0 stack. Current duration of chaining Cloak 4 times is 11.6 seconds. Magicka spent remains the same, so only area that requires changes would be in front of the keyboard
Ex.
If you weave attacks in between Cloaks, so Cloak>SA>Cloak, you need to wait 3 seconds before the first Cloak stack drops off. However the current Cloak (1 stack) has a 2.5 second duration, so waiting out the duration will allow you to perform another SA into a 1 stack Cloak. 1 stack would be the sweet spot where the good nightblades will hover.

So say you are balancing a 1 stack Cloak.

• Breaking Cloak immediately requires 5 seconds of pressure. This would only be done when you go full offensive (Fear>Incap>SA>Merciless etc). By the time this is done, the first stack will drop off and the next Cloak you cast will be a 1 stack, with a 2.5 second duration
• Waiting in Cloak requires a minimum of 3.5 seconds of pressure or defensive play. Vigor>Fear>Dodgeroll>LoS etc. Can buy you that time.

This greatly reduces the amount of favorable offensive windows a Cloakblade has by requiring them to apply REAL pressure in order to gain time for Cloak stacks to drop. It also rewards smart play, because the more the nightblade stays on the offensive, the more times they can spam a 0 stack into a 1 stack Cloak. Players can no longer LA Cloak spam until Incap is up indefinitely. However, the upside is that you can still force miss single target attacks, at no extra costs. Cloak becomes an on demand Shuffle after 2 stacks.

Slight buff to smart Cloak play, slight nerf (1.6 seconds) to defensive Cloak spam, huge nerf to offensive Cloak spam.

An argument can be made be decreasing stack duration by 3 or simply removing it entirely when Cloak is broken. Either way, this proposal is better than the current iteration and less punishing than a cooldown, fatigue cost or flat cost increase.

Cloak should still be in the game but it needs to be toned down.

Yup. Why do think Cyrodiil is empty? Not everyone wants to play a Nightblade. Eso can barely fill up one pvp server now, and BGs are empty too. Imbalanced gameplay is driving people away. It’s extremely frustrating to fight against the cloak mechanic. Cloak doesn’t show up on death recaps so it doesn’t show up in the “data analytics” as something people died to, which is why it has flown under the radar.

I for one am sick of people getting upset because others don't play the game the way they want them to play. This game is about give-and-take, meaning you can't have all abilities at one time. If you have a recurring problem with NBs in PvP then you need adjust your play-style and abilities to counter them, not the other way around. But players don't want to mess with their "perfect" build, right? The same goes for NBs who have issues with DK tanks and shield stacking Sorcs (who have just as high burst damage capabilities), perhaps giving up some weapon damage in exchange for more penetration and resistance or swapping out abilities.

I'm just coming back after a year off of ESO but let me tell you, no matter what class I'm playing, every time I'm in PvP someone ends up messaging me with "you're trash because you're in the middle of a zerg" or "you're trash because you're friend helped you" or "you're trash because your solo and have a proc set". No matter what some people will complain when they die. IMO it's not so much the classes that need change but the toxic player mindset. I personally know 12 others who quit ESO because of the PvP community, not the game or class balance.

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Typical fight with a nightblade. For those that are going to say "but the nightblade doesn't do that much damage." I've been watching this streamer for 2 years and he consistently 1vxs on multiple classes and would be considered above average at the very least.

https://youtu.be/b9wsj7_51I0l

Where is his detect pots. a couple things he could do honestly he could use duel weild and steel tornado or he could have detect pots. I'm not going to sit here and say Cloak can't get stupid to fight against when you fight bad nightblades like the ones he is fighting but it's the same against mag sorcs and mag Templars as well. Yesterday I fought a mag sorc who wasn't even fighting back he was just cycling shields and I new harness Magicka was keeping his Magicka pool topped off. There is no way I can kill that player even though my skill level is way higher than his. I agree Cloak needs a rework (or sustain needs to be nerfed) but so does defensive abilities in general. I have DKs flap wings in my face and I'm 100% countered. Defense in this game is out of control in general

Maybe if your pvp but in the game we need all we have to play nerfing us because your getting owned in pvp is very unfair for those of us that do not pvp...We do like to run around have fun in the actual game...Stop screaming nerf because your getting owned in pvp.

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

Nightblades is the class chosen by most players in this game. The 4sec cooldown is not much, it actually needs more than that + impale nerf + assassins will nerf. Add an atleast 10sec cooldown to teleport or give it the same treatment as streak cost increase.


But what did you expect? The cast majority will choose to stay OP in this topic/vote lol

The cast majority have no idea how to balance the game because they can barely play the game and have like 2 characters.

Nb is popular because its a class even complete noobs and overall bad pvp'ers can become somewhat effective with combined with snipe.

Cloak is easily broken.

idk wrote: »

It is clearly not a fair middle ground OP suggests.

To put this into perspective, will be put the same 4 second CD on dodge roll, evasion use, shields and heals? I could list more but I expect that puts things into perspective that OPs idea would make PvP into a silly one dimensional who can do the most damage in 3 seconds.

No thanks.

Isn't that what it already is tho?

DuskMarine wrote: »

Astrid_V wrote: »

No. That's our main defense, which can be already broken in many different ways.

thats not your main defense you guys have an ability that gives you evasion and resistances. plus your defense is the ability to nuke people you shouldnt have to spam cloak all the time.

It is a nb's main defence. And it can be broken by numerous things.

Slot an aoe.

Well in regards to streak and cloak a cool down or cost increase after consecutively using them is an unattractive solution as there is no middle ground. Their effectiveness should be reduced if used back to back, so with streak it would be distance and with cloak it should be 6 seconds and reduced cloak time the more you spam it to a low of 2 seconds. People should be able to spam an ability but not to its full function each time instead of at the cost of sustain or cooldowns, also allows for more aggressiveness in play style. Spamming already has a sustain penalty on its own. That being said, should they also be able to crit and get extra distance an duration or something neat?