Near immortal tanks - introduced update 19

Azuramoonstar · August 2018

Universe wrote: »

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Azuramoonstar wrote: »

Universe wrote: »

Hello,
Since update 19 I have noticed many occasions in which player tanks in PVP got to near immortal state(PC EU Vivec).
20+ players were not able to kill a tank, several times even when using siege against him.
The tank just blocked all damage and used the psijic skill line ability meditate while taking damage.
The players did interrupt the meditate.
While meditate is powerful this is not the main issue and something(set/passive ability/other) is bugged/broken.
It wasn't just one occasion/one player, there were several players exploiting it.

I believe there is a broken set and/or abilities that should be fixed.
Hist bark used to give 100% dodge chance until ZOS fixed it, maybe now there is other set which provide great boost to tanks.
If you noticed it too, please report the exploiters to ZOS and if you know what sets and/or broken abilities they were using, report it too.
No player should be able to hold off 20+ players forever, something is clearly broken.

question...

why use the term "broken" when it best to say "over powered"? I started to see that since playing Overwatch when people think it is over powered they use the term broken.

to me broken would indicate not usable, or under powered.

I meant broken as for not working as intended by the developers.
It can be called OP, over powered too.

over powered is beter imo, I was asking because back in the old days we called stuff over power if it was. And broken if it was two weak or didn't work.

in most cases stuff being op isn't it being bug (broken) but more the devs didn't scale it well. It happens which is why they change aka nerf it.

anyway ty for the reply. I was just curius. the guy jeff who is an OW dev made a funny comment that ppl use the term broken to mean OP changes its meaning. lol.

cinnir · August 2018

our build

Kel · August 2018

My favorite pvp tank(ps4 NA)...using a resto staff as well.....

https://youtu.be/rKrnyy_ZaGI

killimandrosb16_ESO · August 2018

cinnir wrote: »

our build

maybe just nerf Heresya?

Lylith · August 2018

ak_pvp wrote: »

It's just a stack health nb build. New cloak, drain meditate, argonian, etc etc

The idea that 20/30 people deserve to kill someone is entitled and zergish. Just ignore as they aren't doing any damage.

while they burn your tent, your siege, etc.

Taleof2Cities · August 2018

RouDeR wrote: »

Defile + Penetration and less light attack spamm

I know right?

Is it a geography thing?

If you're on the continent of Europe you don't use defile in CP PvP by default??

cinnir · August 2018

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

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RouDeR wrote: »

Defile + Penetration and less light attack spamm

I know right?

Is it a geography thing?

If you're on the continent of Europe you don't use defile in CP PvP by default??

trust me, they do

umagon · August 2018

The whole point to the pvp tank build is being a force multiplier. Burning siege, placing siege under heavy fire, pulling hostile players into hordes of allies, grouping unwary hostile players in a small spot so they can get bombed, creating diversions, etc. Tank’s damage comes from the environment.

As for the builds they function as designed. When players tell developers that they are lowering the effectiveness of a counter to certain builds and they ignore it then problems can arise. They changed defile without a comprehensive review and overhaul of the way healing and dps scale in relation to each other.

And now part of the counter to tanks/healers is less effective. Defeating tanks specifically is about lowering their all aspects of their health restoration in relation to the incoming damage. Too many people try the hard route and “do more damage” that is the least effective way of defeating them.

Tank health restoration>incoming damage = tank never dies
Tank health restoration<incoming damage = dead tank
Yes, it’s that easy.

Armatesz · August 2018

bloodthirstyvampire wrote: »

Why are you even trying to kill the tank, he can't kill you, so just leave em and move on.

Depending on the build there are those that CAN kill a group of players by themselves and take a beating as well. There are ways to deal with them.

Waffennacht · August 2018

SilverWF wrote: »

There is a set that reduces incoming damage by 15% while you are casting or channelling - Light of Cyrodiil.
Add here Psijic passive, that reduces inc. damage by 30% while casting or channeling Psijic skills
So this is a rough 45% incoming damage reduction while meditating, not even counting armor, resists or other damage reduction passives (like Nord's 6% racial or Psijic ult 8% while slotted)

From other side, WHAT this troll-tank can do against you? Just ignore him

That's not how mitigation works.

It's multiplicative

Armatesz · August 2018

SilverPaws wrote: »

There is no near immortal tanks, only bad players.

I've seen people complain about other players being unkillable... I walk in on seeing 20 players trying to kill one player. I stare for like 5 minutes and then hit them with clench and purifying light. They died in less than 10 seconds. It is all in knowing how to deal with those types.

D0PAMINE · August 2018

I havn't found a tank we wern't able to kill. PC NA Vivec.

max_only · August 2018

I want an unkillable potato for pve, someone link a build!

cinnir wrote: »

our build

Thanks

Unfadingsilence · August 2018

pzschrek wrote: »

This is your punishment for playing in a CP campaign.

Playing in none CP and BGs all you are doing is playing against gear sets instead of players

SilverWF · August 2018

Waffennacht wrote: »

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SilverWF wrote: »

There is a set that reduces incoming damage by 15% while you are casting or channelling - Light of Cyrodiil.
Add here Psijic passive, that reduces inc. damage by 30% while casting or channeling Psijic skills
So this is a rough 45% incoming damage reduction while meditating, not even counting armor, resists or other damage reduction passives (like Nord's 6% racial or Psijic ult 8% while slotted)

From other side, WHAT this troll-tank can do against you? Just ignore him

That's not how mitigation works.

It's multiplicative

Well, it's still a lot

Other option for unkillable tank is Health regen, I mean huge health regen, paired with huge mitigation
Orgnum's Scales + Armor Master (or Beekeeper's Gear or Green Pact or Warrior-Poet or Mark of the Pariah) + Troll King

Never tried this, but always want to

Actually_Goku · August 2018

Tanks and healers have ruined the PVP experience for a long time now. Nothing new. Play BG’s.

imredneckson · August 2018

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Tanks and healers have ruined the PVP experience for a long time now. Nothing new. Play BG’s.

BGs aren't safe from tanks either. I've been in there tanking entire teams and it's been a blast

PS I'm an Argonian Templar Tank Healer using Malubeth, Fortified Brass, and Transmutation.

Jaraal · August 2018

SilverWF wrote: »

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Waffennacht wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

There is a set that reduces incoming damage by 15% while you are casting or channelling - Light of Cyrodiil.
Add here Psijic passive, that reduces inc. damage by 30% while casting or channeling Psijic skills
So this is a rough 45% incoming damage reduction while meditating, not even counting armor, resists or other damage reduction passives (like Nord's 6% racial or Psijic ult 8% while slotted)

From other side, WHAT this troll-tank can do against you? Just ignore him

That's not how mitigation works.

It's multiplicative

Well, it's still a lot

Other option for unkillable tank is Health regen, I mean huge health regen, paired with huge mitigation
Orgnum's Scales + Armor Master (or Beekeeper's Gear or Green Pact or Warrior-Poet or Mark of the Pariah) + Troll King

Never tried this, but always want to

You can run a damage shield build as well, Imperium/Permafrost/Iceheart sets, run Brawler, Spiked Bone Shield, Hardening glyph on Infused weapon, back bar Ward Ally, put points into Bastion, etc, plus your class shields. Surprisingly effective.

olsborg · August 2018

Its the 50k hp tanks using dark cloak to heal coupled with other mechanics + meditate whenever you gain ccimmunity.

Masel · August 2018

I think this is what you mean:

https://youtu.be/bx8eTzTG9Bw

smtdbplus · August 2018

if I see a tank like this, I switch back to my cancerous build, poison+sload+viper+Skoria with 5+ dot skills

Valencer · August 2018

People being able to have fun without running in an alliance swarm? Unacceptable. Nerf it.

DivineFirstYOLO · August 2018

nerf this nerf that, how about you nerf people that stack up in balls of 50 ppl aka zerging? the 20 ppl should be reported that try to roll over 2 people for 20 AP each.

BohnT · August 2018

Masel92 wrote: »

I think this is what you mean:

https://youtu.be/bx8eTzTG9Bw

This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.

I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.

Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.

Qbiken · August 2018

BohnT wrote: »

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Masel92 wrote: »

I think this is what you mean:

https://youtu.be/bx8eTzTG9Bw

This is what he means, he's even in the chat in that Video.
There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.
Just maybe 10 players that spam light attack or heavy lightning attacks or do some other absolutely useless things.

I guess people just don't know @Fasold666 anymore and feel any tank is now absolutely overperfoming because they can't kill it, well guess what that's what a tank is intended to do, staying alive even vs a huge number of opponents.

Sadly this crying from players that don't understand that there is nothing unbalanced about builds that can stay alive vs their "oh so God like Nightblade skills" gave us some stupid, unneeded nerfs, but yeah keep on complaining about exploits or cheat engine when in fact you get so heavily outplayed that you should never talk about it.

People said the same thing back when these tanks exploited the bugs with 7th Legion, Barkskin and Malubeth (in combination with bugs within certain CP allocations), so It´s understandable why people get suspicious when facing these tank build (not reffering to the youtube clip here, that stuff is nothing fishy about)

Zorgon_The_Revenged · August 2018

BohnT wrote: »

There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.

Nothing visible in the clip, but viewed from the players point of view we can see that they are clearly "botting".

The biggest giveaway is the amount and frequency of the jumping, caused by the chin striking the space bar.

Ozazz · August 2018

no place for non kill able players in pvp in 1v1 terms. here everyone heres your trophies and go take up real estate in pvp and absolutely contribute nothing other than Xv1ing people.

Lieblingsjunge · August 2018

Just nerf Heresya. Problem solved.

Oh, and, I'm guessing from the SS-screenshot that Heresya runs Absorb Magic. Don't spam it with projectiles and it won't heal

BohnT · August 2018

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

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BohnT wrote: »

There is absolutely no exploit in that clip.

Nothing visible in the clip, but viewed from the players point of view we can see that they are clearly "botting".

The biggest giveaway is the amount and frequency of the jumping, caused by the chin striking the space bar.

PuddingZebra · August 2018

cinnir wrote: »

lol

I saw it! x)