NA PC Vivec final score August 2018

IxSTALKERxI · August 2018

Oh and another thing, it's not the same every night, for some reason EP have more numbers during the oceanic timeslot on weekdays and then on the weekend AD has the most numbers during oceanic on sat night i think.

Unstable.Pixel · August 2018

Anazasi wrote: »

sounds like a lot of arguing over nothing important.

Couldn't agree more, zero significance. At least I can collect a few golds off the campaign reward mails.

Akgurd · August 2018

Just so you all know, oceanic prime has a lot of Japanese guilds and players from all factions. It’s far from TKG alone on the map. Those guilds are just not so vocal on forum or zone due to language barriers.

For example, EP has group like Verzelia, Dawning, and Moon and Stars. DC has Vivace, Foreign Group, and Wormhole, which runs equal or sometimes larger group than TKG. (Edited since I missed some of noticeable guilds)

Anyway, y’all are derailed from the topic. Just praise the effort from all the faction and move on.
Keep the fight in Cyrodiil and stay civil on forum.

frozywozy · August 2018

frozywozy wrote: »

The 3 times I got emp, it was at 5:30pm EST.

maxjapank wrote: »

We play from 6:30 a.m to 9:30 am EST.

That Emping would be you and every other EP emp who does it at the same time. Roughly 1-2 hours before tkg logs on and when AD has barely any pop to fight back.

I like your quick mafs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvORXWOLOas

Elong · August 2018

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

I havn't been pvping for 2wks, was fun trying to stop the randyl emp pushes during the first half of the campaign though.

I know the window your talking about,, it's the one I started trying to play in to help balance it out. (around 5pm AEST, 3am EST)

Also I think the number of scattershots your faction has is more imporantant than the number of guilds these days. #buffsiegelolsaidnooneever

This is mainly the time zone I play in. It's frustrating that the pops drop during this time. I may add this only happens when EP hold on to their keeps, if we're pushed back to Arrius, those pops don't drop, so there's definitely some fair weather players out there, which of course is natural in a game.

Elong · August 2018

maxjapank wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Gratz DC! You began the campaign pushing against EP with AD. But somehow you ended up going south again. We enjoy the fights, but AD just doesn’t have the numbers during off peak hours to counter EP’s pvedooring the map. If you want a chance to win, then you’ll have to focus EP more. But if you just want to avoid the DK zerg and play with us yellows, I fully understand.

I thought DC and AD had signed an agreement to team up against the Pact all campaign, what ever did happen to that?

Ask DC. And thank them. And thank your off peak pvedoor crew while you’re at it. They are highly skilled.

Your off peak is my prime time. You're more than welcome.

He means the time between the NA prime time and Asia/Pacific/Oceanic prime time range where there are virtually no ADs around while EP are out and rolling and to a lesser extent, DC. This in between prime time time almost always is EP or half EP and DC.

I know exactly what he means, I have no idea how this changes what my personal prime time is.

Yeah. I really have no problems with people playing during their prime time, Elong. It's not something that can be helped. I just want AD to know this. So many previous threads talked about how AD needs to get better organized, etc. Which while true, it is not the only reason that EP continues to win campaigns. The largest reason is these pts. earned when one side greatly outnumbers the other. So AD needs to quit beating themselves up over something they have no control over.

I also want DC to know that if they don't wish to continue losing the campaign, then they need to focus EP more. Both AD and DC will continue to lose the campaign unless they can focus EP more. Besides the most exciting campaigns are those that end up when all sides are within 200pts or so at the end. The ball is sorta in DC's court.

I think a lot of casual players go towards the path of least resistance, and sadly if we're holding Chal tightly, which EP have been a lot better at lately, then DC will end up migrating south especially when we have Sej. I think it's important to note that AD have a lot of organised guilds on but their tactics aren't always the best, it's not for me to criticise how they play, I just see some strange movements from their raids at times. There is definitely a lot of organised AD to fight at the time I fight, most obviously Ni, DomDom, Ruin and Lolizerg. There's heaps of potential there.

From a personal POV, it was disappointing last night to see EP gate AD so easily whilst losing Chal to a lot of DC. All factions make errors on the field, and I logged after that because it didn't seem constructive to creating a competitive campaign.

Prince_of_all_Pugs · August 2018

When more than half of the ad faction in vivec has more than 17k hp, maybe we wont be gated by one 24 man ep group.

Sacredx · August 2018

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I've played those times over MYM AD was pop locked throughout. You've just said that EP has no guilds and thus with both sides being pop locked and AD having multiple guilds one would expect AD to be dominant during those times.
I guess EP can just thank you kindly for the compliment. I'm also not too sure why the fact that there are DKs is relevant vs any other class honestly

I don't think you understand. There are gaps in timezones where AD literally has no one online. This is when they get pved, loose own keeps, loose scrolls. This is the real problem. The NA and Oceanic timezones aren't too bad, it's the gaps in between that EP take advantage of and gain a whole bunch of points as a result making the scoreboard meaningless.

As Elong and Stalker said this happens in the gap zones:

VaranisArano · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I've played those times over MYM AD was pop locked throughout. You've just said that EP has no guilds and thus with both sides being pop locked and AD having multiple guilds one would expect AD to be dominant during those times.
I guess EP can just thank you kindly for the compliment. I'm also not too sure why the fact that there are DKs is relevant vs any other class honestly

I don't think you understand. There are gaps in timezones where AD literally has no one online. This is when they get pved, loose own keeps, loose scrolls. This is the real problem. The NA and Oceanic timezones aren't too bad, it's the gaps in between that EP take advantage of and gain a whole bunch of points as a result making the scoreboard meaningless.

As Elong and Stalker said this happens in the gap zones:

Sorry, not trying to diminish the problems of those outnumbered AD here, but this picture of a gap zone is supposed to show that AD has "literally" no one online?

Again, I totally get the frustration of feeling and being outnumbered, but I suspect there's something of it more similar to my EP group going down in flames at Aleswell during Primetime and complaining "Where are all the EP? It doesn't feel like there are many EP online!" when the answer is "Somewhere other than where we were (and probably bridge farming)."

Which is to say, sure AD and DC are quite outnumbered. But "literally" no one online is a bit excessive.

Vilestride · August 2018

How AD fails to flip the map entirely yellow during oceanic time zones for a few hours at least remains a mystery.

all that bribing of the DC guilds to make sure EP doesn't loose first place must be paying off.

Sacredx · August 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

How AD fails to flip the map entirely yellow during oceanic time zones for a few hours at least remains a mystery.

all that bribing of the DC guilds to make sure EP doesn't loose first place must be paying off.

No mystery here; read AKs comments:

Akgurd wrote: »

Just so you all know, oceanic prime has a lot of Japanese guilds and players from all factions. It’s far from TKG alone on the map. Those guilds are just not so vocal on forum or zone due to language barriers.

For example, EP has group like Verzelia, Dawning, and Moon and Stars. DC has Vivace, Foreign Group, and Wormhole, which runs equal or sometimes larger group than TKG. (Edited since I missed some of noticeable guilds)

Anyway, y’all are derailed from the topic. Just praise the effort from all the faction and move on.
Keep the fight in Cyrodiil and stay civil on forum.

Vilestride · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How AD fails to flip the map entirely yellow during oceanic time zones for a few hours at least remains a mystery.

all that bribing of the DC guilds to make sure EP doesn't loose first place must be paying off.

No mystery here; read AKs comments:

Akgurd wrote: »

Just so you all know, oceanic prime has a lot of Japanese guilds and players from all factions. It’s far from TKG alone on the map. Those guilds are just not so vocal on forum or zone due to language barriers.

For example, EP has group like Verzelia, Dawning, and Moon and Stars. DC has Vivace, Foreign Group, and Wormhole, which runs equal or sometimes larger group than TKG. (Edited since I missed some of noticeable guilds)

Anyway, y’all are derailed from the topic. Just praise the effort from all the faction and move on.
Keep the fight in Cyrodiil and stay civil on forum.

lol

maxjapank · August 2018

Vilestride wrote: »

How AD fails to flip the map entirely yellow during oceanic time zones for a few hours at least remains a mystery.

Interesting. You seem to be encouraging AD to pvedoor the map. Is pvedooring the map a strong feeling on EP side?

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · August 2018

maxjapank wrote: »

Vilestride wrote: »

How AD fails to flip the map entirely yellow during oceanic time zones for a few hours at least remains a mystery.

Interesting. You seem to be encouraging AD to pvedoor the map. Is pvedooring the map a strong feeling on EP side?

AD is perfectly happy to PVD during Oceanic time on DC side, seems like (see the post on the campaign forum)

SwampRaider wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I think you got the faction wrong @SwampRaider
Everyone knows it's AD who needs more guilds and off peak guild presence. Please edit your post to correct this clear violation.

You must be joking LOL. How come at 6:30 a.m. EST every morning 40 AD log on, mostly from tkg and push DC back to our scroll keeps and take our Scrolls. All the while 10 to 20 DC run around with their heads cut off. Vivec needs more Oceanic DC hands down. Especially because EP pushes us during that time well tkg takes our Scrolls rather than pushing AD.

the oceanic AD zerg is afraid to push EP. Rather than trying to go for first place, they always Focus all their energy on us to make sure that we get third place and they get second.

This has been the pattern for two campaigns. So for 60 days this has been the daily occurrence, with a few variations every so often but not much.

There is a misconception saying that ad needs more off-hours guilds but that is not the case. Most ad off hours guilds are former DC. That's why I DC needs new off hours players or guilds.

So that is why I decided to create a thread about it, because I am tired of DC'S lack of population from 5am-12pmEST.

Don't believe me? Play DC for a day during that timeslot. This is a serious issue

Anazasi · August 2018

Maybe there is a better solution than all this discussion. Lower the population caps. Reduce the lag spread the population more evenly across the 3 factions. Apparently the "indicators" are not accurate we have all suspected the uncertainty of what they actually mean. If the caps were lowered the lag would be reduced players would be somewhat forced to choose a faction and perhaps stick with it. It might also spread out the population to other campaigns and make them a little less farmy style. No actually knows what the cap is and ZOS will never tell us the real numbers. So perhaps its best to simply ask zos to make the caps lower so we can all enjoy a more 'BALANCED' game with less lag.

maxjapank · August 2018

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

AD is perfectly happy to PVD during Oceanic time on DC side, seems like (see the post on the campaign forum)

Pushing for scroll was payback to DC for doing that to us multiple times before we logged on. You weren't there. And his view is very one-sided.

You know, I have heard from you, other Drac members, and EP for such a long time. And I'm honestly at a loss for how ignorant you all are about what goes on in Oceanic time zone. Either ignorant or trolling. But I beginning to think the latter as we have also gotten rage tells from members wearing your tabards.

maxjapank · August 2018

Anazasi wrote: »

Maybe there is a better solution than all this discussion. Lower the population caps. Reduce the lag spread the population more evenly across the 3 factions. Apparently the "indicators" are not accurate we have all suspected the uncertainty of what they actually mean. If the caps were lowered the lag would be reduced players would be somewhat forced to choose a faction and perhaps stick with it. It might also spread out the population to other campaigns and make them a little less farmy style. No actually knows what the cap is and ZOS will never tell us the real numbers. So perhaps its best to simply ask zos to make the caps lower so we can all enjoy a more 'BALANCED' game with less lag.

We know from 2-3 bar pops in Oceanic timezone that the lag-free play is much better than NA prime. And we are all used to playing with 250+ ping anyways. Maybe there is something to lowering the pop caps more.

Vilestride · August 2018

maxjapank wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Maybe there is a better solution than all this discussion. Lower the population caps. Reduce the lag spread the population more evenly across the 3 factions. Apparently the "indicators" are not accurate we have all suspected the uncertainty of what they actually mean. If the caps were lowered the lag would be reduced players would be somewhat forced to choose a faction and perhaps stick with it. It might also spread out the population to other campaigns and make them a little less farmy style. No actually knows what the cap is and ZOS will never tell us the real numbers. So perhaps its best to simply ask zos to make the caps lower so we can all enjoy a more 'BALANCED' game with less lag.

We know from 2-3 bar pops in Oceanic timezone that the lag-free play is much better than NA prime. And we are all used to playing with 250+ ping anyways. Maybe there is something to lowering the pop caps more.

so, you want a dying game to have even less people playing it?

Elong · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

I've played those times over MYM AD was pop locked throughout. You've just said that EP has no guilds and thus with both sides being pop locked and AD having multiple guilds one would expect AD to be dominant during those times.
I guess EP can just thank you kindly for the compliment. I'm also not too sure why the fact that there are DKs is relevant vs any other class honestly

I don't think you understand. There are gaps in timezones where AD literally has no one online. This is when they get pved, loose own keeps, loose scrolls. This is the real problem. The NA and Oceanic timezones aren't too bad, it's the gaps in between that EP take advantage of and gain a whole bunch of points as a result making the scoreboard meaningless.

As Elong and Stalker said this happens in the gap zones:

To be fair, all week since the campaign started, my time zone has been pretty much equal bar pops bar this one screenshot which I'm guessing is from last night, which I thought was poor from EP personally.

I am fighting against at least two of Ni, Dom Dom, Ruin or Lolizerg in that time.

I don't believe it's population issues on the whole, I believe it's guild management. EP doesn't have a guild running in that time period I might add, just a collection of small groups and solo players that listen to zone chat and coordinate very efficiently. Come over for a few days and see how well EP collectively play together.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · August 2018

maxjapank wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

Maybe there is a better solution than all this discussion. Lower the population caps. Reduce the lag spread the population more evenly across the 3 factions. Apparently the "indicators" are not accurate we have all suspected the uncertainty of what they actually mean. If the caps were lowered the lag would be reduced players would be somewhat forced to choose a faction and perhaps stick with it. It might also spread out the population to other campaigns and make them a little less farmy style. No actually knows what the cap is and ZOS will never tell us the real numbers. So perhaps its best to simply ask zos to make the caps lower so we can all enjoy a more 'BALANCED' game with less lag.

We know from 2-3 bar pops in Oceanic timezone that the lag-free play is much better than NA prime. And we are all used to playing with 250+ ping anyways. Maybe there is something to lowering the pop caps more.

When i played, the lag during Oceanic time where 60 AD were zerging together on the map and EP had no guilds online was worst than primetime that day.

maxjapank wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

AD is perfectly happy to PVD during Oceanic time on DC side, seems like (see the post on the campaign forum)

Pushing for scroll was payback to DC for doing that to us multiple times before we logged on. You weren't there. And his view is very one-sided.

You know, I have heard from you, other Drac members, and EP for such a long time. And I'm honestly at a loss for how ignorant you all are about what goes on in Oceanic time zone. Either ignorant or trolling. But I beginning to think the latter as we have also gotten rage tells from members wearing your tabards.

So when people take your scroll its completely unacceptable but when you guys do it is "payback and completely ok"?
Interesting point of view.

One might say that for years EP lost multiple campaigns (i think for the first year I played on NA EP didn't win a single campaign) and now EP have won multiple campaigns.

I guess its just "payback"

Also you may want to talk to your fellow guild members about rage tells if you are so indignant about them

You can also ask your raid lead about our own discussions on the subject.

Finally both Elongo (not in Drac) and Vile play exactly during this timezone as did a few of our other members. I think based on the forum threads here, seeing whats happened on the map with scrolls points scoring I am perfectly capable of putting together a view on the situation.

Sacredx · August 2018

This thread is clearly going downhill fast. The discussions are not relevant to the OP any more. May as well remove or close it to prevent any more negative behaviour. #respect

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

This thread is clearly going downhill fast. The discussions are not relevant to the OP any more. May as well remove or close it to prevent any more negative behaviour. #respect

The opening post was a simple copy paste of the end of campaign score .
The discussions which have ensued are simple natural topics of conversation based on this original broad area.

The fact that when a response to your and max's posts are given you reply saying the post has gone off topic rather than continue a perfectly present discussion I think speaks loudly to the conclusion that must be drawn that you have nothing further to add to the point. That's fine but equally let's not pretend that the thread has "gone off topic"

Minnesinger · August 2018

The real problem with population is that AD and DC don´t have them consistently over the 24 hrs and keep on fighting the whole campaign cycle. Now that the midyear mayhem ended the numbers have normalized leaving EP the only alliance that has a consistent presence in the field. See the leader boards to notice that EP is in the 1st place and if nothing new happens they will take this again. Tbh there is no competent NA campaign left in ESO.

maxjapank · August 2018

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

When i played, the lag during Oceanic time where 60 AD were zerging together on the map and EP had no guilds online was worst than primetime that day.

You need to read. Lag during the event, which is when you played, was pop-locked. But on an average night of Oceanic 2-3 bars, the lag is not so unbearable. I'm speaking on facts as someone who plays Oceanic nightly. Which again, you do not.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Also you may want to talk to your fellow guild members about rage tells if you are so indignant about them You can also ask your raid lead about our own discussions on the subject.

I have. I know more than you think.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Finally both Elongo (not in Drac) and Vile play exactly during this timezone as did a few of our other members. I think based on the forum threads here, seeing whats happened on the map with scrolls points scoring I am perfectly capable of putting together a view on the situation.

I respect Elong. He is straight up honest with everything he says. No embellishing or twisting of facts. I think I have always tried to be as honest as possible. I'll leave it there.

Sacredx wrote: »

This thread is clearly going downhill fast. The discussions are not relevant to the OP any more. May as well remove or close it to prevent any more negative behaviour. #respect

I agree, Sacred. I really didn't hope for much from Drac members based on their past forum comments. I just wanted AD to understand that even though we have room for improvement, much of the score is out of our control due to EP pvedooring the map during AD's "off peak" hours.

Elong · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

This thread is clearly going downhill fast. The discussions are not relevant to the OP any more. May as well remove or close it to prevent any more negative behaviour. #respect

I don't know, for me I'm just trying to present the facts that there isn't a population issue at that time, it's simply a quality of population issue. There's some real talent in AD, sometimes they make the wrong decisions, other times they get out played by our pugs.

I am 100% honest with the statement that their are no coordinated EP raids at that time of night, simply a lot of good people organising eachother to be in the right place at the right time. AD could definitely achieve the same results with what they have available.

@maxjapank thanks I appreciate that, and same to you, being honest makes you a polarising figure, even in your own faction!

Rin_Senya · August 2018

Just gonna leave it here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/430778/daggerfall-covenant-na-pc-30-day-cp-looking-for-oceanic-guilds-vivec-call-to-arms
Keep telling yourself that you are "outnumbered"...

In addition to that I want to say that I play during late night and oceanic time very often and yes every single time I see multiple AD guilds online when at the same time there are literally no orginized DC or EP guilds playing. It actually surprising that being the only one faction with so many organized groups during that time you are doing so poorly tbh. Agree with @Elong that it's simply a quality of population issue.

Minnesinger · August 2018

There is another thread abut campaign scoring. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/429121/campaign-scoring-vivec-pc-na

If you combine the information together I don´t have much hope of revived populations and thus having some competition on top.

Sacredx · August 2018

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The fact that when a response to your and max's posts are given you reply saying the post has gone off topic rather than continue a perfectly present discussion I think speaks loudly to the conclusion that must be drawn that you have nothing further to add to the point.

You can draw your own conclusions all day. You will just be guessing. I have comprehensive knowledge of this game and have plenty to bring to the discussion. Stop try to put words in other peoples mouths and let them speak for themselves. If you have questions feel free to ask.

Elong · August 2018

Sacredx wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The fact that when a response to your and max's posts are given you reply saying the post has gone off topic rather than continue a perfectly present discussion I think speaks loudly to the conclusion that must be drawn that you have nothing further to add to the point.

You can draw your own conclusions all day. You will just be guessing. I have comprehensive knowledge of this game and have plenty to bring to the discussion. Stop try to put words in other peoples mouths and let them speak for themselves. If you have questions feel free to ask.

Sacred, log into the game right now, tell me AD are outnumbered. They're currently potatoing on Sej Bridge whilst Roe and Brindle are Blue. Your own guild is amongst them.

It IS a quality issue.

Sacredx · August 2018

Elong wrote: »

Sacredx wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The fact that when a response to your and max's posts are given you reply saying the post has gone off topic rather than continue a perfectly present discussion I think speaks loudly to the conclusion that must be drawn that you have nothing further to add to the point.

You can draw your own conclusions all day. You will just be guessing. I have comprehensive knowledge of this game and have plenty to bring to the discussion. Stop try to put words in other peoples mouths and let them speak for themselves. If you have questions feel free to ask.

Sacred, log into the game right now, tell me AD are outnumbered. They're currently potatoing on Sej Bridge whilst Roe and Brindle are Blue. Your own guild is amongst them.

It IS a quality issue.

Or is this that AD don't care about the score? The initial poll results show AD is the least interested faction for winning the campaign and EP being the most interested. So it makes sense why things are the way they are. This brings us back on topic. The score. And the care factor for what it means.