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Shuffle dodges rune cage
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✭✭ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.
ZOS is not the first MMO company to fix a bug by hiding it behind stupid mechanics. So intention seems not to be the point.
Leave it as it was but allow captured chars to break free would have been appropriate. But if Zeni wants it not to make sense, it will not make sense.0 -
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✭they should have removed the damage completely from rune cage and it would have been fine. Slightly less burst potential would have done the job. But nah nerf every sorc skill into oblivion. So now that rune cage is practicly useless we gotta live with flame reach again yay. Countered by dodge roll and Wing Reflects and Warden Shield Absorb.
Well done ZOS you have done it again.0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭they should have removed the damage completely from rune cage and it would have been fine. Slightly less burst potential would have done the job. But nah nerf every sorc skill into oblivion. So now that rune cage is practicly useless we gotta live with flame reach again yay. Countered by dodge roll and Wing Reflects and Warden Shield Absorb.
Well done ZOS you have done it again.
I don't know anyone complaining about the damage or the fact that it was unblockable and undodgeable. The real problem was the fact that you couldn't break free. Guess what? You still can't. Same problem with petrify and time stop. All the former disorients can also be chained with those skills to permastun an opponent.
Ex. If you get time stop + rune cage at the right time you still cannot do anything or break free for over 8 seconds. You literally can sit there spamming break free and you won't break free. If you survive that, considering all the snare and stun spammers, you are definitely going to be dead soon after.
The change is ultimately worthless because the problem wasn't the skill or its duration, but a bug in the first place.1 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Arkangeloski wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.
Basically this is a huge buff to stamNB's. They can now shuffle runecage, and sloads. Unless youre a stam user with shuffle/dodge youre basically still screwed. Thats awesome zenimax, time to close down magica classes maybe?
Can you guys stop saying nb this nb that... Shuffle is a med armor skill get your stuff right so what you mean is a buff to med armor and please stop with the witch hunt already or both classes are going to end up destroyed all together... I'm sick of the sorc crying about the nightblade and I'm sick of the nightblade crying about the sorc, is a never ending toxic battle and one class is not going to stop until the other is utterly garbage... I think enough dmg is done with the Nerf's you all caused. is time to assess the damage done and rebuild.
Except.....nb just became significantly easier now that mage light pulls you from stealth when you try to stealth spot nbs..... and detect pots now display visual info about who has one activated.......
Huge buffs for nb..... sorcs now have to rely on a reflectable stun for their stuns lol seems legit
You are missing the big picture... Idk if a nb or a sorc gets a buff at this point, what it matters is to preserve what is left of all clases as whole, all this class bashing nerf this nerf that it's just asking for more Nerf's lol the sad part is RC was fine but people just couldn't break from it and instead of fixing the animation or whatever was wrong with it, they chose to give everybody a change that was not even suggested by the community afaik. When people ask for Nerf's they have to think that they are dealing with an evil genie that you would ask to grant you the wish of flying and then instead he turns you in to some luggage full of dirty adult diapers with a 1st class ticket to the worst place in the planet.Edited by Arkangeloski on August 14, 2018 5:24PM0 -
Killset✭✭✭✭
Wrong. Shuffle is available to everyone running medium and Templar can cleanse Sloads. Stamplar runs medium and can cleanse. Stop posting uninformed, biased, nonsense.killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
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Killset✭✭✭✭
That’s wrong on every level. I do not know of a single Stamplar that does not run medium. Stam Sorc and Stam Warden run heavy because they CAN. Both classes have speed buffs and can get a burst heal through class skills, allowing them to run forward momentum. But you just Zerg around Cyrodiil so I doubt you have put much thought into it.usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
He's not wrong seeing that running medium is suicide for anything but nightblades and masochist.
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Killset✭✭✭✭killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
The embarrasment is when you use shuffle on anything other than a stamNB. Maybe, maybe it could work on a stamWarden....
Stamplar, medium stam sorc
ye right. Now give me that OP build and a reliable source of it working on those 2 classes running shuffle, cause I dont know any classes except stamNB who would run shuffle and still be effective to anything other than trying to run away
This right here proves you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Have you tried to play Stamplar in Heavy lol? Just stop
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
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That’s wrong on every level. I do not know of a single Stamplar that does not run medium. Stam Sorc and Stam Warden run heavy because they CAN. Both classes have speed buffs and can get a burst heal through class skills, allowing them to run forward momentum. But you just Zerg around Cyrodiil so I doubt you have put much thought into it.usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
He's not wrong seeing that running medium is suicide for anything but nightblades and masochist.
I run heavy often on my Stamplar. FM is just that much better than shuffle for root and snare immunity. I switch it up from time to time though.Edited by technohic on August 14, 2018 8:21PM0 -
Killset✭✭✭✭
You could run light armor on your Stamplar too. Doesn’t mean it’s anywhere close to ideal.
That’s wrong on every level. I do not know of a single Stamplar that does not run medium. Stam Sorc and Stam Warden run heavy because they CAN. Both classes have speed buffs and can get a burst heal through class skills, allowing them to run forward momentum. But you just Zerg around Cyrodiil so I doubt you have put much thought into it.usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
He's not wrong seeing that running medium is suicide for anything but nightblades and masochist.
I run heavy often on my Stamplar. FM is just that much better than shuffle for root and snare immunity. I switch it up from time to time though.
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Killset✭✭✭✭
usmguy1234 doesn’t have a clue.Apache_Kid wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
Well, considering populations it is. But maybe it’s a stamDK buff as well, and ZOS finally heard these. What do you think @Ragnarock41 ?
Stam nightblades are a dying breed on Xbox NA. Sorcs of both stam and mag dominate the pvp population on my platform/server
So much misinformation.
Nah
Edited by Killset on August 14, 2018 8:31PM0 -
Marcus684✭✭✭✭✭
✭Awwww
Poor magsorcs. Now when they line up their (formerly) guaranteed medium-armor-stomper burst combo, the target has a chance to dodge part of it. No more guaranteed kills. However will they deal with this? Edited by Marcus684 on August 14, 2018 9:19PM6 -
technohic✭✭✭✭✭
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You could run light armor on your Stamplar too. Doesn’t mean it’s anywhere close to ideal.
That’s wrong on every level. I do not know of a single Stamplar that does not run medium. Stam Sorc and Stam Warden run heavy because they CAN. Both classes have speed buffs and can get a burst heal through class skills, allowing them to run forward momentum. But you just Zerg around Cyrodiil so I doubt you have put much thought into it.usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
He's not wrong seeing that running medium is suicide for anything but nightblades and masochist.
I run heavy often on my Stamplar. FM is just that much better than shuffle for root and snare immunity. I switch it up from time to time though.
I think if you think medium on Stamplar has been definitively ideal before this last patch with rune cage combos; you are a bit biased based on hyperbole on the forums. Even now; if you think you will dodge every RC combo, which it is very dodgeable; there will be some that catch you as it’s still being spammed from zergs. Probably all while roots and snares are still spammed and having FM over Rally has its benefits0 -
Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Im just sittng here laughing at all the sorc and nightblades with thier little problems.
"Oh no my stun doesn't work perfect 100% of the time, oh woe is me"
Meanwhile temps have charge with a bugged stun, and jav knocks out of our spammable range. And let's not even get into warden, class stun? What is that?
Stop your crying and play the game you babies.5 -
Shinshadow✭✭✭✭killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.
Basically this is a huge buff to stamNB's. They can now shuffle runecage, and sloads. Unless youre a stam user with shuffle/dodge youre basically still screwed. Thats awesome zenimax, time to close down magica classes maybe?
You do realize that ANYONE that uses medium armor can use shuffle, right? It's not just nightblades. It's not the end of the world for magicka users. Just use some better timing when you try to CC.3 -
Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Im just sittng here laughing at all the sorc and nightblades with thier little problems.
"Oh no my stun doesn't work perfect 100% of the time, oh woe is me"
Meanwhile temps have charge with a bugged stun, and jav knocks out of our spammable range. And let's not even get into warden, class stun? What is that?
Stop your crying and play the game you babies.
Don't be a hypocrite ... you got and 110% dmg increase to your radiant destruction so shhh.0 -
Jameliel✭✭✭✭✭
✭Can we all just mostly agree that the devs need to be replaced? Regardless of which side you stand, the devs haven't addressed break free barely working. Thay have consistently failed to provide solid designs and implementation for 4+ years. When your ping is constantly fluctuating between 300-999, it's even worse. All of us don't live in Murica or Great Britain. On another note, the execs need to be put on trial for bamboozling every one. Bunch of criminals is what they actually are.0 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Glorious seeing all the cry baby sorc mains moan about them losing their “I win buttons” learn how to play without a cheesy no skill unavoidable stun like every other class does. Bout time sorcs got a good nerf. Needed it for a while now. Hopefully more are coming2 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Glorious seeing all the cry baby sorc mains moan about them losing their “I win buttons” learn how to play without a cheesy no skill unavoidable stun like every other class does. Bout time sorcs got a good nerf. Needed it for a while now. Hopefully more are coming
How can you tell who is sorc and who not?
I don't play cyrowiz and cry as well, because the nerd hamsters from the backoffice who play CS and BF instead of ESO will eventually break everything.
Every call for nerfs they follow will lead to another one, never to balance.0 -
usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
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usmguy1234 doesn’t have a clue.Apache_Kid wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
Well, considering populations it is. But maybe it’s a stamDK buff as well, and ZOS finally heard these. What do you think @Ragnarock41 ?
Stam nightblades are a dying breed on Xbox NA. Sorcs of both stam and mag dominate the pvp population on my platform/server
So much misinformation.
Nah
@Killset actually I do. I've been playing pvp on Xbox NA for 3+ years.Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.0 -
Killset✭✭✭✭
So have I. Every try hard, zerger, and Xv1 specialist on Xbox NA is switching or has switched to stam sorc or mag sorc.usmguy1234 wrote: »
usmguy1234 doesn’t have a clue.Apache_Kid wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
Well, considering populations it is. But maybe it’s a stamDK buff as well, and ZOS finally heard these. What do you think @Ragnarock41 ?
Stam nightblades are a dying breed on Xbox NA. Sorcs of both stam and mag dominate the pvp population on my platform/server
So much misinformation.
Nah
@Killset actually I do. I've been playing pvp on Xbox NA for 3+ years.
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Arkangeloski✭✭✭✭Glorious seeing all the cry baby sorc mains moan about them losing their “I win buttons” learn how to play without a cheesy no skill unavoidable stun like every other class does. Bout time sorcs got a good nerf. Needed it for a while now. Hopefully more are coming
I honestly don't think they are... more like ppl that just rolled a brand new sorc for a little RC fun (lots on xbox)lol. But everything good has to come to an end and now they are feeling the changes
hours lost grinding mages guild to have that combo right on point and so on... The OG's that played a sorc prior to RC change will do just fine with DBOS. 0 -
usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
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So have I. Every try hard, zerger, and Xv1 specialist on Xbox NA is switching or has switched to stam sorc or mag sorc.usmguy1234 wrote: »
usmguy1234 doesn’t have a clue.Apache_Kid wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »Apache_Kid wrote: »killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?
sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...
When you aren't aware that shuffle is a skill under the medium armor skill line.
How embarrassing.
Well, considering populations it is. But maybe it’s a stamDK buff as well, and ZOS finally heard these. What do you think @Ragnarock41 ?
Stam nightblades are a dying breed on Xbox NA. Sorcs of both stam and mag dominate the pvp population on my platform/server
So much misinformation.
Nah
@Killset actually I do. I've been playing pvp on Xbox NA for 3+ years.
EP= 40k health argonian heal bots/ snipe spammers
DC= LF-thicc-ethot-heals for bombblades
AD=banana roleplayingpublic (decent mix of mag/stamblades, sorcs and wing flappers)
Bgs are infested with spin to win sorcs and stam wardens (I agree partly with you on that one)Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.1 -
OGLezard✭✭✭✭✭
✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Glorious seeing all the cry baby sorc mains moan about them losing their “I win buttons” learn how to play without a cheesy no skill unavoidable stun like every other class does. Bout time sorcs got a good nerf. Needed it for a while now. Hopefully more are coming
I honestly don't think they are... more like ppl that just rolled a brand new sorc for a little RC fun (lots on xbox)lol. But everything good has to come to an end and now they are feeling the changes hours lost grinding mages guild to have that combo right on point and so on... The OG's that played a sorc prior to RC change will do just fine with DBOS.
Still do fine with the combo on my sorc is it a little harder to land? Sure. Is it still worth getting hate whispers from people for it still working, you bet.
P.s.
Been a sorc since beta up until today and will be until I quit. I have seen sorcs at their peak, so the stuff people cry about how days are just so laughable because the ones crying clearly dont remember how much more god like we used to be.
Today's sorcs are still really good when in the right hands, but compared to what we used to be....naw it's a joke people still cry about us.
I have been able to kill players the same as I always have with every nerf they give us, and that wont change. It's my favorite class, I only play my magsorc. So, let the haters hate, I just wish they would realize the builds out there that are non sorc related that are just so much worse.
One can hope people wake up one day.1 -
NupidStoob✭✭✭✭✭Runecage was overperforming and needed a nerf I said that lot's of times last patch too. I think the nerf is bad though as it favors certain playstyles more than others.
Let's be honest stamblade is by far the most common stamclass in pvp and it's the only stamclass that will run medium armor and shuffle 90%+ of the time. Sure other classes can play medium armor, but it's not as clear the way to go and just because some odd people make it work it doesn't mean it's where the meta is at. StamPlar sustain without medium armor is garbage sure, but the class itself is not performing well enough for many people to even run it and even then the opinions on heavy and medium armor differ. Stop with those stupid anecdotes of the one of you can find somewhere and look at the big picture. Fact is that the class that benefits the most from this is stamblade, sure some other builds and classes do also, but way more limited.
I will just go back to slotting boundless and soul assault and will keep hunting gankkids that only aim for low cps.
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Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Im just sittng here laughing at all the sorc and nightblades with thier little problems.
"Oh no my stun doesn't work perfect 100% of the time, oh woe is me"
Meanwhile temps have charge with a bugged stun, and jav knocks out of our spammable range. And let's not even get into warden, class stun? What is that?
Stop your crying and play the game you babies.
Don't be a hypocrite ... you got and 110% dmg increase to your radiant destruction so shhh.
Lol you mean the channel execute that is los'able and bashable? I'll trade that for wrath or impale any day of the week.0 -
usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
✭Arkangeloski wrote: »Im just sittng here laughing at all the sorc and nightblades with thier little problems.
"Oh no my stun doesn't work perfect 100% of the time, oh woe is me"
Meanwhile temps have charge with a bugged stun, and jav knocks out of our spammable range. And let's not even get into warden, class stun? What is that?
Stop your crying and play the game you babies.
Don't be a hypocrite ... you got and 110% dmg increase to your radiant destruction so shhh.
Lol you mean the channel execute that is los'able and bashable? I'll trade that for wrath or impale any day of the week.
See this is exactly what's wrong with this forum and game... in the forums you got people whining in the forums that their Honda civic isn't as good as another person's camaro ss. When they should be talking to their rep to upgrade to at least a mustang. Meanwhile Zos is more than happy to upgrade everyone to a vw bug.
Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.0 -
Datthaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭usmguy1234 wrote: »Arkangeloski wrote: »Im just sittng here laughing at all the sorc and nightblades with thier little problems.
"Oh no my stun doesn't work perfect 100% of the time, oh woe is me"
Meanwhile temps have charge with a bugged stun, and jav knocks out of our spammable range. And let's not even get into warden, class stun? What is that?
Stop your crying and play the game you babies.
Don't be a hypocrite ... you got and 110% dmg increase to your radiant destruction so shhh.
Lol you mean the channel execute that is los'able and bashable? I'll trade that for wrath or impale any day of the week.
See this is exactly what's wrong with this forum and game... in the forums you got people whining in the forums that their Honda civic isn't as good as another person's camaro ss. When they should be talking to their rep to upgrade to at least a mustang. Meanwhile Zos is more than happy to upgrade everyone to a vw bug.
I'm not whining about anything, he throws a strawman argument that our execute was buffed. It's like we're talking about class cc. And people do talk to reps, it's why our execute got a buff. We can't force them to make the changes we want1
