Shuffle dodges rune cage

Taleof2Cities

Guess which characters I'm dusting off for this new nightblade meta?

Oh wait ...

TheDoomsdayMonster

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?

sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...

You don't have to have Shuffle to counter Rune Cage/Sloads...

Spectre's Eye works quite nicely and it can be crafted into all Armor Types...

Strider__Roshin

Can't wait until this update goes live on console. This broken ability is such a crutch.

TheDoomsdayMonster

Daus wrote: »

Can't wait until this update goes live on console. This broken ability is such a crutch.

100% agreed...

Mister_DMC

Sorc is still good, sorc has always been good, sorc will always be good. Stop whining.

Vapirko

Sandman929 wrote: »

The only counter I ever wanted to Rune Cage was to be able to reliably break free from it, but that's too tall of an order.

This and a duration nerf would have been fine.

Lylith

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.

That is pretty broken, it's not even usable and the justification for nerfing frag was to buff rune cage, now it is even worse than it was in the beginning, and both skills are ruined.

as intended.

what will the 'nerf sorc' crowd whine about, now?

no worries, they'll find something, never doubt.

Kel

Mister_DMC wrote: »

Sorc is still good, sorc has always been good, sorc will always be good. Stop whining.

Yep. Complete agreement. I don't use rune cage on my sorc and I only use empowered ward, no shield stacking, and I still do fine.

I can't lie...I'm giddy over this change. It's going to be very enjoyable watching all these players who aaaalllll jumped on this easy to get kills bandwagon, now have to actually use skill and tactics to line up thier burst...just like everyone else. The good sorcs will still do just fine, the bandwagon jumpers are going to be clueless.

Don't forget this too...mages wrath/fury can be dodged as well now.
Battlegrounds will be able to be played by other classes now...no more sorc grounds.

mb10

Sorcs are really out here moaning after theyve all been spamming rune cage/meteor for 3 months now??


Lmao get out of here, if you relied so heavily on rune cage, then you arent that good

Mayrael

antihero727 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.

Great another nerf to sorc with no counter buff. The class is getting very vanilla every patch. Being able to break free was the issue, this was a knee jerk fix.

Nope. The issue was delay when people ate full force frags to the face because it landed at the same time as cage stun because of this delay leaving no counter play to timed burst (curse, cage, frags + possible furry explosion). But yes, RC and especially Defensive Rune are now useless...

mb10

Sorcs are really crying about a 15% chance that their ridiculously OP broken rune cage might miss?

God forbid the rune cage/meteor combo doesnt pull off! What else will they do???

Lylith

mb10 wrote: »

Sorcs are really out here moaning after theyve all been spamming rune cage/meteor for 3 months now??


Lmao get out of here, if you relied so heavily on rune cage, then you arent that good

not all sorcs used it.

i never liked it anyway, clunky-assed cast animation.

OGLezard

antihero727 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.

Great another nerf to sorc with no counter buff. The class is getting very vanilla every patch. Being able to break free was the issue, this was a knee jerk fix.

Hey dont worry, nightblades were given the ULTIMATE buff..... they can now see who can potentially see them at all times! If you try to sneak around with mage light, it pulls you out of stealth now because how dare you not let nightblades see that you can see them.

A counter to their hard counter in the means of a cheese feature. Gg zos

Feanor

Daus wrote: »

Can't wait until this update goes live on console. This broken ability is such a crutch.

I still remember your ridiculous BG video where you complained you couldn’t kill everyone with your StamNB. I would be more wary talking about crutches.

Arkangeloski

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.

Basically this is a huge buff to stamNB's. They can now shuffle runecage, and sloads. Unless youre a stam user with shuffle/dodge youre basically still screwed. Thats awesome zenimax, time to close down magica classes maybe?

Can you guys stop saying nb this nb that... Shuffle is a med armor skill get your stuff right so what you mean is a buff to med armor and please stop with the witch hunt already or both classes are going to end up destroyed all together... I'm sick of the sorc crying about the nightblade and I'm sick of the nightblade crying about the sorc, is a never ending toxic battle and one class is not going to stop until the other is utterly garbage... I think enough dmg is done with the Nerf's you all caused. is time to assess the damage done and rebuild.

OGLezard

Arkangeloski wrote: »

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, this is intended since Rune Cage can be dodged.

Basically this is a huge buff to stamNB's. They can now shuffle runecage, and sloads. Unless youre a stam user with shuffle/dodge youre basically still screwed. Thats awesome zenimax, time to close down magica classes maybe?

Can you guys stop saying nb this nb that... Shuffle is a med armor skill get your stuff right so what you mean is a buff to med armor and please stop with the witch hunt already or both classes are going to end up destroyed all together... I'm sick of the sorc crying about the nightblade and I'm sick of the nightblade crying about the sorc, is a never ending toxic battle and one class is not going to stop until the other is utterly garbage... I think enough dmg is done with the Nerf's you all caused. is time to assess the damage done and rebuild.

Except.....nb just became significantly easier now that mage light pulls you from stealth when you try to stealth spot nbs..... and detect pots now display visual info about who has one activated.......

Huge buffs for nb..... sorcs now have to rely on a reflectable stun for their stuns lol seems legit

Strider__Roshin

Feanor wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Can't wait until this update goes live on console. This broken ability is such a crutch.

I still remember your ridiculous BG video where you complained you couldn’t kill everyone with your StamNB. I would be more wary talking about crutches.

Incorrect. I was complaining about undodgeable abilities and proc sets. The examples in the video were Rune Cage, Soul Assault, and Caluurion for the proc set.

Both are still going to be an issue next update, but thankfully Rune Cage isn't going to be among that list anymore.

ku5h

It's funny to me how this entire Rune Cage fiasko played out.
First everyone knew that sorc is in a bad spot and needed some buffs, even ZoS acknowledged it. Rune Cage was never used since there was nothing attached to it's CC, you couldn't pressure good players to get the kill, really all you could do is Meteor combo less tankny players. So, every sorc played MasterReach and general consensus was that Sorc kinda sucks, again ZoS saw it to.
No one cryed Rune Cage nerfs.
ZoS buffs Cage adding some dmg to it. Realistically 1.5k-3.5k, everything above that is fairytale. All of the sudden much more ppl start using it. The world is falling, Sorc has reliable hard CC that actually lands when you need it to, which other classes had forever mind you. Sure much more ppl using it revealed its bugginess, but that is the only problem that needed to be fixed.
Ppl cry Rune Cage nerf like there is no tomorrow.
Now, ZoS decides that not only they will revert Cage to it's former barely used, underwhelming skill all top sorcs considered it to be, no....they nerfed it even more, without giving Sorc any buffs what so ever in return.

So where is the logic here from ZoS and all the obvious Sorc haters out there?

P.S. I would be totaly fine with replacing front dmg from Cage for a weak 5-6sec dot or decent debuff and ofc fixing the buggy state of it, but yea...

Zelos

Why do you people thing its op the skill IS LITERALLY doing what the description of it does which is increase your dodge chance by 15%, which it did all skills at you have a 15% chance of being dodged if dodgeable that's what it says and I have no idea why you would expect anything different, it truly amazes me.

Feanor

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Can't wait until this update goes live on console. This broken ability is such a crutch.

I still remember your ridiculous BG video where you complained you couldn’t kill everyone with your StamNB. I would be more wary talking about crutches.

Incorrect. I was complaining about undodgeable abilities and proc sets. The examples in the video were Rune Cage, Soul Assault, and Caluurion for the proc set.

Both are still going to be an issue next update, but thankfully Rune Cage isn't going to be among that list anymore.

Which, in essence, is complaining about that you didn’t kill even more players than you did (you were not exactly starving for kills in that match), because you had to bite some bullets as well and couldn’t dodge everything.

Strider__Roshin

Feanor wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Can't wait until this update goes live on console. This broken ability is such a crutch.

I still remember your ridiculous BG video where you complained you couldn’t kill everyone with your StamNB. I would be more wary talking about crutches.

Incorrect. I was complaining about undodgeable abilities and proc sets. The examples in the video were Rune Cage, Soul Assault, and Caluurion for the proc set.

Both are still going to be an issue next update, but thankfully Rune Cage isn't going to be among that list anymore.

Which, in essence, is complaining about that you didn’t kill even more players than you did (you were not exactly starving for kills in that match), because you had to bite some bullets as well and couldn’t dodge everything.

Are we talking about the same video? I think you may be talking about the one where I was playing along side of a magsorc and they where stealing all the kills? Yeah that's still annoying. Although if they were to make it so whoever procs Mage's Fury gets the credit that would eliminate the problem.

Strider__Roshin

Zelos wrote: »

Why do you people thing its op the skill IS LITERALLY doing what the description of it does which is increase your dodge chance by 15%, which it did all skills at you have a 15% chance of being dodged if dodgeable that's what it says and I have no idea why you would expect anything different, it truly amazes me.

It's a dumb ability honestly. Dodge rolling needs to be more powerful than it currently is but there's nothing skillful about RNG dodging. I would love to see it go, and I do use it myself.

Feanor

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Can't wait until this update goes live on console. This broken ability is such a crutch.

I still remember your ridiculous BG video where you complained you couldn’t kill everyone with your StamNB. I would be more wary talking about crutches.

Incorrect. I was complaining about undodgeable abilities and proc sets. The examples in the video were Rune Cage, Soul Assault, and Caluurion for the proc set.

Both are still going to be an issue next update, but thankfully Rune Cage isn't going to be among that list anymore.

Which, in essence, is complaining about that you didn’t kill even more players than you did (you were not exactly starving for kills in that match), because you had to bite some bullets as well and couldn’t dodge everything.

Are we talking about the same video? I think you may be talking about the one where I was playing along side of a magsorc and they where stealing all the kills? Yeah that's still annoying. Although if they were to make it so whoever procs Mage's Fury gets the credit that would eliminate the problem.

I PMed. No need to derail the thread further.

mr_wazzabi

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?

sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...

Fyi, every stam class can use shuffle.

Stam sorcs, stam dk, stamplar, stamden.

Strider__Roshin

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

killimandrosb16_ESO wrote: »

Bergzorn wrote: »

Can we please have the dogeable, blockable, clearly telegraphed frag stun back?

sorcs have stuns apart from runecage. Two actually. Thats not the issue in my opinion. The problem is counter to sloads and runecage being given exclusively to stamNB's. If you dont have shuffle, youre still screwed. Why not make a counter to it ALL classes have easy access to? explain that...

Fyi, every stam class can use shuffle.

Stam sorcs, stam dk, stamplar, stamden.

Yeah for some reason everyone automatically thinks stamblade when mentioning medium armor. Which is unfortunate.

Kolzki

Who knew a 15% dodge chance could be so op? Does this mean that I should use shuffle for more than just expensive snare removal?

technohic

I doubt many will leave it to the evasion chance with the telegraph that is there. Only thing is, if you are dropping around terrain and LOS, you can miss the telegraph but on flat ground, you cant miss it.

Zepiroth

#magtoo...post here if you ever felt your class being molested or touched in an inappropriate way

Vapirko

What is kind of funny is that after the duration nerf, damage nerf and damage requirement and making it dodge able they’re also making it more telegraphed in a future patch lol. FYI ZOS if you’re reading this don’t bother, the skill is dead and designing more effects for it is a waste of time and money.

DeadlyRecluse

*laughs in Aurora Javelin*