itzTJ wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Make Boundless remove snares and roots and give immunity like Shuffle.

Remove exponential cost increase from Bolt Escape.

Add 20% damage buff and stun back to Frags.

Remove cooldown from Surge heals so we can outheal Sloads and Shield Breaker.

lul why should you get special treatment. Im a stam sorc and would benefit from 3/4 of these things. I solo pvp, this would make my life a lot easier. But no, absolutely not. And thankfully it would never happen.

So you're thankful your class doesnt get a buff..Well now you dont seem like a main stam sorc..Now you seem like a main stam NB

callen4492 wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

I bet the forum will still have a lot of nerf sorc topics next patch even after the nerf because somehow all stam blades hate sorcs.

How is Rune Cage being nerfed? The damage on the back-end is being taken away, right? Calling that a nerf is a joke. I’ve been rune caged hundreds of times in the past few weeks and I don’t think I took the damage from it once.

It's now dodgable

Classes or skills are always over performing when someone is on the end of whichever class or skill kills them, or they have difficulty combating. Has little difficulty breaking out of rune cage. Lot of other skills knock me over at a faster rate. Perhaps I should make posts each time and ask for everything to be nerfed.

callen4492 wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

I bet the forum will still have a lot of nerf sorc topics next patch even after the nerf because somehow all stam blades hate sorcs.

How is Rune Cage being nerfed? The damage on the back-end is being taken away, right? Calling that a nerf is a joke. I’ve been rune caged hundreds of times in the past few weeks and I don’t think I took the damage from it once.

There's now a form of counterplay so naturally magsorcs are upset.

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

callen4492 wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

I bet the forum will still have a lot of nerf sorc topics next patch even after the nerf because somehow all stam blades hate sorcs.

How is Rune Cage being nerfed? The damage on the back-end is being taken away, right? Calling that a nerf is a joke. I’ve been rune caged hundreds of times in the past few weeks and I don’t think I took the damage from it once.

There's now a form of counterplay so naturally magsorcs are upset.

Rune Cage was counterplay to permadodgers, so naturally, forumblades were upset.

Exactly sorc for a long time didn't couldn't kill any competant classes.

Templars just purged and perma blocked everything

Dk's just reflected half your burst and perma blocked.

You couldn't hit nb's, just put curse on them and hope for the best. Mag nb counters sorc's.

Wardens absorb your frag which is most of your burst.

Mag sorcs are only really good against mag sorcs lmao.

One patch they get a cc where they become relvant again and it's gone it one patch because of the all the people who still make 'mag SoRC shields OP' threads.

mikemacon wrote: »

I main a magsorc. PVE and PVP. I agree with peeps who say rune cage is a tad OP.

However, I also want my CF stun back, sooooooo...

Good luck with that.

Yubarius wrote: »

So where was MY compensation for losing my only stun on magden? Oh major breach which isn't even needed on a mag build in cyro and is useless against mag classes? Lmao. Sorry but I think magden needs help a lot more than sorcs. Be grateful you have mobility, a 3rd bar, essentially 2 executed with mages wrath and your passive, RC still stuns except when dodged AND you have streak stun. Magden has no stun, no execute, no mobility, and where was our compensation for losing our undodgeable birds?? Sorcs too used to being OP just wanna stay on top of everyone else.

Oh look, another person with an inferiority complex claiming that everyone else should be brought down to your level instead of you being raised up.

Sorcs haven't been top dog in looooong time. Bad players perceive them to be for reasons listed in this thread, but they aren't OP in the slightest. If they were OP a decent player would almost never be able to counter them...instead a decent player can almost always counter them.

2 really bad executes, a third bar locked behind an ultimate no one uses anymore except for zergball groups to steal free kills, 2 *** executes (the passive has too low a threshold, and Mages' Wrath is the worst execute in the game bolstered by the fact it is delayed (which does nothing in PvE btw). I would really just appreciate an execute that does 300%-400% more damage at low health like the rest of the executes (Impale/Killer's, Executioner, Radiant, etc etc).

thankyourat wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

callen4492 wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

I bet the forum will still have a lot of nerf sorc topics next patch even after the nerf because somehow all stam blades hate sorcs.

How is Rune Cage being nerfed? The damage on the back-end is being taken away, right? Calling that a nerf is a joke. I’ve been rune caged hundreds of times in the past few weeks and I don’t think I took the damage from it once.

There's now a form of counterplay so naturally magsorcs are upset.

Rune Cage was counterplay to permadodgers, so naturally, forumblades were upset.

Exactly sorc for a long time didn't couldn't kill any competant classes.

Templars just purged and perma blocked everything

Dk's just reflected half your burst and perma blocked.

You couldn't hit nb's, just put curse on them and hope for the best. Mag nb counters sorc's.

Wardens absorb your frag which is most of your burst.

Mag sorcs are only really good against mag sorcs lmao.

One patch they get a cc where they become relvant again and it's gone it one patch because of the all the people who still make 'mag SoRC shields OP' threads.

Unless you were running a dueling build you weren't killing a mag sorc either. Trying to kill a mag sorc hiding in mines and stacking shields LoSing around atro and mines Not to mention infinite sustain against Magicka builds was such a chore especially when they do very little fighting and just decide to turtle. I will tell you the reason mag sorcs struggled to kill players last patch. It's because against a well built character a sorc would have to drop their shields for one or two seconds to finish off an opponent and alot of sorcs just aren't willing to do that. With the new rune cage your and summerset staff buffs your damage is high enough to where you can kill certain builds without really letting your shields go down.

A lot of the sorc can't kill competent players came from the dueling community. Where sorc is weak because there use to be no way to build enough burst to kill someone in a heavy armor high weapon damage dueling build and build enough sustain to keep up your shields. Open world however sorc has always been good because you generally don't see those dueling builds. All the other complaints are the same complaints that everyone has. No way to kill a block build, Templars purge all your de-buffs, stamblades are annoying dks and wardens make your range attack useless are problems that all classes complain about and aren't really any worse on sorc except maybe reflects which are 100 times worse for magblade.

Step by step:

"Unless you were running a dueling build you weren't killing a mag sorc either. Trying to kill a mag sorc hiding in mines and stacking shields LoSing around atro and mines "

Mines, Atronach... isn't that a 1v1 build too? I haven't seen anyone using an Atronach in open fields/ group play for ages. Except maybe the occasional dude that throws an atro in a breach, just to see it die within few seconds. TBH I haven't even seen one using it in BGs, arguably the pinnacle of small scaling.

"Not to mention infinite sustain against Magicka builds "

Where does that infinite sustain come from? Certainly not from passives, 5% cost reduction (mind that sorc skills aren't really cheap) and 10% mag regen is not much. For example NBs get 15% regen on all resources for free. Does it come from a class skill? Nope, dark exchange is a stam burner. ITT the argument that RC will still be OP against builds with low stam gets thrown around in every other post. So I take from it that stam is an important resource for mag builds. Means a mag sorc simply can't afford to spam dark conversion and burn 20% of their stam pool for a bit mag and a tiny heal.
So again, where does this infinite sustain come from? Oh from an armor skill! A skill that each and everyone has access to IF they decide to wear light armor. Is that the issue? If so then don't put that on the "sorcs OP" list. Only thing I can take from that is that at least other classes can "afford" to use heavy. Haven't seen an heavy armor mag sorc since... dunno, forever?

"especially when they do very little fighting and just decide to turtle."

So going into defense mode without taking offensive actions is a crime now that is only commited by magsorcs. Like a NB can't cloak/port/shield/heal away. Like wardens can't sit inside their glimmering gardens and heal to full while absorbing projectiles, like templars can't heal/purge off your efforts, yadda yadda. But suddenly stacking shields and doing nothing else is exceptional. Especially when 3 of 4 possible wards don't even come from class lines and the only "instant" class heal doesn't tied to a stupid pet is RNG and demands offense - read: does nothing while turteling up.

"It's because against a well built character a sorc would have to drop their shields for one or two seconds to finish off an opponent and alot of sorcs just aren't willing to do that."

Or it could be that the delayed burst is so telegraphed that you could put an "dodge or block now" message across your screen and it wouldn't even matter because everyone worth their AP know what and when it will come. mS are a one trick pony. You see/ hear that a curse it put on you and 3s later you simply dodge, block, cloak or purge in between and you won't ever die to a magsorc. Really, it can't be easier than that. Don't get me wrong, Rune Cage is an abomination when used right. But it gets nerfed patch. A tad ironic if I think about RC when reading the first sentence of this paragraph.

"With the new rune cage your and summerset staff buffs your damage is high enough to where you can kill certain builds without really letting your shields go down."

I'd guess that we won't see RC used so often next patch. It will be even worse than it was in Dragonbones. And only a few used it back then. Mostly because they ran Dual Wield. Which btw lost all it's appeal with the mentioned staff buff. A buff that benefits everyone and also put sorcs in a strange situation. Frags got it stun removed so many mS opted for clench with master staves. But due to staves counting as 2 pieces now arena weapons also lost appeal and get their opportunity costs raised. Leaves them with either an "unused buff" or a dodgeable, no second effect, no-damage stun that eats another bar space.

"A lot of the sorc can't kill competent players came from the dueling community. Where sorc is weak because there use to be no way to build enough burst to kill someone in a heavy armor high weapon damage dueling build and build enough sustain to keep up your shields."

I'd argue a mag sorc on a dueling build is one of the stronger 1v1 options, with pets and maxmag stacked. You know, the builds that place mines and hide behind [X]k shields and LoS with their pets. Duels are the place where pet builds excel. In open word cyrodiil pvp pets aren't as strong and mostly a distraction and a means to buff the mag pool by necropotence.
While on the other hand I have no issue to create and open world stam build in heavy armor with horrendous high weapon damage thanks to questionable itemization. Actually open world mag sorcs are a bit forced to run sustain sets already, means they can't run 2-3 damage sets.

"Templars purge all your de-buffs"

Funny. Which debuffs are dished out by magsorcs? You mean Templars purge half of the burst a magsorc has.

"dks and wardens make your range attack useless are problems that all classes complain about and aren't really any worse on sorc except maybe reflects which are 100 times worse for magblade."

I'm a bit torn on this. Sure, not everything a magsorc has in it's offensive arsenal can be reflected. But mind that Pulse and Meteor aren't even class skills and that while NBs have a *** load of reflectable attacks they at least could opt for unreflectable spams too. Like Force Pulse or, you know, that melee class spam. And don't say magblades aren't designed for melee. With melee spam, melee ults, melee aoe, gap closer and several abilities to retreat they at least have options for melee.

Could be worse...u could be a magplar.

1 stun doesn't work in melee range due to a minimum range it has. When our spammable is a melee skill.

1 stun works in melee and range but throws ur opponent away from ur main spammable

1 .....not stun CC ability can be used melee and range...but doesn't actually give you a true CC but deals it's damage and healing based on the retardedness of your opponent not breaking it

First two can be dodged, first one doesn't apply the snare, both only stun for 2 seconds...and one doesn't stun...I mean, you could give magplar rune cage and the class will still be poop

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

I agree that RC is over-performing in summerset, but ZOS missed the mark as usual. Tinkering with the damage doesn’t matter as if you don’t immediately CC break you are dead anyway and making it undodgable is a direct buff to stamblades, far and away the most OP class in the game.

Two things I would like, remove stack cost of streak, or give it to other things like cloak, for example. People act like streak is this OP skill, but it really isn’t. Gap closers nullify it and you can’t catch a Stam player with it anyway. I would also like to see a class based snare immunity. I think you could add it to streak or boundless.

Nice insight on the NB buff. Only class that doesn't feel the pain of this skill.

Remove or change shield stacking in some way and I am all for the streak changes. You can't streak permanently and stack shields. That's op.