This is why YOU get kicked for being low CP or bad at DPS/Heals/Tank

BuddyAces · July 2018

Integral1900 wrote: »

For me it’s a simple tick sheet, anything above this is gravy

Tank normal
Don’t die at all... health, regen, damage reduction etc
Taunt boss and turn them away from the group
Don’t run around!
In vet apply at least one buff for the group and at least one debuf to the enemy

Dps
Don’t die to often. Most “meta” (insert build of the week shortly to get nerfed into the ground) have around 17 k but I’m a bit slower so I find 25 k and a good slab of healing is more comfy and doesn’t affect the output to much, also I’m used to having fake healers so I tend to build characters like a fortress
In normal I’d say 10 to 15 k dps is fine, vet would be 25 plus as long as you learn the mechanics, easily done by studying skills, gear and a few YouTube guides

Healer
Heal stuff..........
Don’t die........ but if you do feel free to shout at the dps as they should have saved you
If it’s going wrong stick to healing, let the dps resurrect players, your number one aim is keeping the tank and at least one dps alive
Do a bit of damage as it’s prety simple to chuck a skill or two in, my main is just a dps with a heal staff and she has been through every bit of pve content there is, no complaints thrown at me so far

Be willing to learn, you don’t know everything and neither do we but if we have been playing longer we will most likely know more than you

Lastly.... don’t turn off chat! We can’t help you with advice if you won’t comunicate, for most players that get kicked it’s their refusal to comunicate that puts players backs up in the first place

You don't need more than 18k health for any 4 man content in this game. The dlc vet HM ones could be completed with even less since what you die to are one shots anyway.

Take some out of health and dump it into your stam/mag pool and get some better dps. You are helping your group more this way. If you get stuck with a crappy or fake healer then just slot a self heal. Every class can drop one skill for a self heal and not have a bad drop in dps.

Edit
As a tank you will have multiple sets. If you PUG then it's not a bad idea at all to have a tanky dps set up either for low dps groups.

BuddyAces · July 2018

BuddyAces wrote: »

Integral1900 wrote: »

For me it’s a simple tick sheet, anything above this is gravy

Tank normal
Don’t die at all... health, regen, damage reduction etc
Taunt boss and turn them away from the group
Don’t run around!
In vet apply at least one buff for the group and at least one debuf to the enemy

Dps
Don’t die to often. Most “meta” (insert build of the week shortly to get nerfed into the ground) have around 17 k but I’m a bit slower so I find 25 k and a good slab of healing is more comfy and doesn’t affect the output to much, also I’m used to having fake healers so I tend to build characters like a fortress
In normal I’d say 10 to 15 k dps is fine, vet would be 25 plus as long as you learn the mechanics, easily done by studying skills, gear and a few YouTube guides

Healer
Heal stuff..........
Don’t die........ but if you do feel free to shout at the dps as they should have saved you
If it’s going wrong stick to healing, let the dps resurrect players, your number one aim is keeping the tank and at least one dps alive
Do a bit of damage as it’s prety simple to chuck a skill or two in, my main is just a dps with a heal staff and she has been through every bit of pve content there is, no complaints thrown at me so far

Be willing to learn, you don’t know everything and neither do we but if we have been playing longer we will most likely know more than you

Lastly.... don’t turn off chat! We can’t help you with advice if you won’t comunicate, for most players that get kicked it’s their refusal to comunicate that puts players backs up in the first place

You don't need more than 18k health for any 4 man content in this game. The dlc vet HM ones could be completed with even less since what you die to are one shots anyway.

Take some out of health and dump it into your stam/mag pool and get some better dps. You are helping your group more this way. If you get stuck with a crappy or fake healer then just slot a self heal. Every class can drop one skill for a self heal and not have a bad drop in dps.

Edit
As a tank you will have multiple sets. If you PUG then it's not a bad idea at all to have a tanky dps set up either for low dps groups. I don't know about healing cuz it's stupid and I won't touch it with a 10 foot pole

FFS my phone screwed up my edit formatting. This and the post of mine above this are suppose to be one post. Mod please fix this

Asardes · July 2018

No wall of text on the forum will solve this issue since people who suck badly at the game aren't usually interested enough to google for external sources (including the forum), and in some cases I've seen even interesting in scrolling the cursor over the skills and reading what they do.

Sordidfairytale · July 2018

It's not just about the DPS. Yesterday I decided to help some guy looking to complete the Banished Cells II vet achievements on his healer. He was spamming for help in zone so I decided to lend a hand. Big mistake. His friend was the Tank it seems and he was giving her incredibly bad advice on where to stand, and what to do with the pulls.

When I would make recommendations contrary to his he would argue, then mid fight he would stop healing to type out a long missive about how I was disrespecting the group by contradicting the crowns leadership. Mind you, he's not healing while doing that, so I'm now on my back bar dropping healing ward on the tank and the other DPS to keep them both alive. Now normally I do defer to another player as crown, but if you're telling the Tank to drag the Maw slowly around the outside of the room, or you're not having the Tank stack the sisters, or you're telling the TANK to ignore the daedroth on the final boss, you're not ready to lead the group.

Grandesdar · July 2018

The other day I had something similar happen to me. I queued for random NORMAL DLC dungeon which was the pledge. I was the tank.

The dungeon was Cradle of shadows. Mind you I've finished it vet HM and no death before, so I know the mechanics so well. But that's on PC. And I'm just starting doing DLC dungeon around 250CP with my PS4 account. Dont get me wrong, I was all geared up and had already done some dungeons vetHM with my 2xx CP tank as well.

The group had two 750 and one 400 CP members. As soon as we got in, I've got kicked out for low CP. I mean, give me a break. That's just prejudice. They've never let me take a chance. After getting kicked out, I queued with a 48 level DD and 60 CP healer. They both didn't know the mechanics while the other guy was one of those 750CP elitists wanted a fast run. He left after the second boss, because the other DD didn't do much and the healer kept dying. I was doing both tanking and healing as much as I could. But I wasn't mad at them because they dont know the dungeon. I shared what I know, without making them feel inferior by dictating what they MUST do etc.And I tell you I do it most of the times, it's part of being a support class.

I know there're some DDs that think they are irreplaceable and stuff. Just like in real life some people are bad and you can't fix them. But what makes a dungeon fun for me is that experience of helping people either tanking, healing or simply sharing your knowledge. Or maybe it's just me being a teacher IRL.

If all you think about is burning the bosses, then simply dont pick a support class or don't group up with randoms. Take it as an advice: If you've devoted so much time grinding and gearing up, maybe you should've devote a bit time to make in game friends who would queue with you. It simply doesn't make sense how a high cp would have no one to queue with. It's quite sad if you ask me.

I remember my first veteran DLC dungeon with my guildies run taking more than 4 hours, and still failing, because the DDs weren't pulling enough DPS. But I was doing everything I could as a tank.

Still I don't regret those hours spent getting wiped dozens of times at the same boss. Because next week, after DDs getting better rotations, we beat it and it felt so good. If it wasn't me and the healer sticking to the group, guiding them and never letting go, it wouldn't have happened. Those moments make the game fun, not trying to fast running dungeons with randoms and getting mad at them for not having optimal stuff.

Keileon · July 2018

As someone who typically queues as healer just because I don't want to sit in queue for an hour as a solo DPS and I'm actually good at being a healer, I think this is a really unfair view to take. I'm not gonna try to change your mind because there's no point in it, but this is the risk you take when you PUG. Voting to kick someone just because they're low CP or not meeting your standards is, in fact, an elitist mentality. Most good, non-toxic groups won't do that. So if you want to ragequit the group because they're giving someone a chance, have fun; that group is probably better off.

Cronniss · July 2018

I don’t do pugs anymore for this reason. Not because we get someone low level, but because when I was below cp160 I would automatically get kick votes just entering the dungeon.

Too many *** out there that demand “perfection” and willing to kick people before they even know who/what they’re kicking.

Smasherx74 · July 2018

Welp here we go again. This time I got PUG'd into a group of 3 people who appear to be together. They were joking about how terrible their DPS was at the start of dungeon, I didn't mind it's whatever I'll carry the dps.

Then I notice, the healer isn't *** healing. I am nice as possible: "Are you a healer, can you heal, do you have healing abilities" response? "No stfu".

I run through and pick up some mobs to burn down before doing so I said "I'm going to pull the mobs and burn them" and then this happens.

[snip]

I throw on vigor, I even throw on buff to stay alive. Got the mobs together and I'm burning them down really fast, but being a *** stamplar I don't have tons of sustain so I don'tkeep spamming vigor I try to kill the mob. Healer lets me die, did absolutely no healing then I'm told he's not a healer so I say *** this and leave.

Then one fo them messages me saying "You can't run blessed without a healer? trash"

I'm absolutely sick and tired of this kind of ***, it's about time ZOS holds these people accountable for their actions. I spend 20 mins tryting to get into a que as dps, don't *** me over.

[Edit for censor bypass.]

Geekgirl · July 2018

Do yourselves a favor - ignore the poor* players before you kick them, that way you will not be random dungeoned with them or any other characters on their account.

*In this case "poor" means inexperienced or "bad" as per outlined in the OP's original post.

skywarnmc27 · July 2018

I always do enjoy ZOS relations manager saying they removed harmful posts, with offering zero help.

BuddyAces · July 2018

skywarnmc27 wrote: »

I always do enjoy ZOS relations manager saying they removed harmful posts, with offering zero help.

They are mods, probably don't even play the game tbh. Not being mean but literally, that's their job, to police the forums and not say anything else really.

menathradiel · July 2018

This is why I don't play dungeons. Can't get experience because I am kicked; kicked because I have no experience. And to top that off, I am then blamed for the fact that I have no experience of dungeons, by the people who kicked me. Charming.

Mureel · July 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Holy crap this thread is appalling. The amount of folks screaming "elitists" to people who want nor have the time to spend 3 hours in a dungeon wiping over and over because dps can only pull 10k a piece is scary.

Seriously, it's great that you want to go into vet dungeons in your mixed garb of green/blue gear with no rotation, food, or pots but you are the problem here. Not the so called elitists. A little preparation is required for that stuff and if you can't do it then you don't belong there since all you're doing is wasting time. Join a guild who will carry you through and teach you the basics, there are many (I run one that does just that, shameless plug)!

Btw, before I get attacked, I'm the tank who actually sticks around with bad groups in dungeon finder because it doesn't bug me, find it fun most of the time. Did you know you can wipe on Bloodspawn if your dps are bad? Learned that the hard way not very long ago, stuck around for that till group disbanded. I still get groups who can't get past the second boss of coa2 cuz dps is bad. When I use the dungeon finder I know what I'm getting myself into but to expect people to carry you or have hours to blow while doing a PUG vet dungeon is mind boggling.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but those "anti-elitist" crybullies are the reason why I dont do that anymore. I still like meeting new people, helping new players etc, but this witch hunt is just hideous.
Its just mind blowing how people dont see that blaming people for game design issues is actually toxic. Not to mention bringing up mental issues, this is just plain rude, both to supposedly "elitist" players and people with real mental issues.

@LadyNalcarya
You know, I heart you!

zaria · July 2018

Grandesdar wrote: »

The other day I had something similar happen to me. I queued for random NORMAL DLC dungeon which was the pledge. I was the tank.

The dungeon was Cradle of shadows. Mind you I've finished it vet HM and no death before, so I know the mechanics so well. But that's on PC. And I'm just starting doing DLC dungeon around 250CP with my PS4 account. Dont get me wrong, I was all geared up and had already done some dungeons vetHM with my 2xx CP tank as well.

The group had two 750 and one 400 CP members. As soon as we got in, I've got kicked out for low CP. I mean, give me a break. That's just prejudice. They've never let me take a chance. After getting kicked out, I queued with a 48 level DD and 60 CP healer. They both didn't know the mechanics while the other guy was one of those 750CP elitists wanted a fast run. He left after the second boss, because the other DD didn't do much and the healer kept dying. I was doing both tanking and healing as much as I could. But I wasn't mad at them because they dont know the dungeon. I shared what I know, without making them feel inferior by dictating what they MUST do etc.And I tell you I do it most of the times, it's part of being a support class.

I know there're some DDs that think they are irreplaceable and stuff. Just like in real life some people are bad and you can't fix them. But what makes a dungeon fun for me is that experience of helping people either tanking, healing or simply sharing your knowledge. Or maybe it's just me being a teacher IRL.

If all you think about is burning the bosses, then simply dont pick a support class or don't group up with randoms. Take it as an advice: If you've devoted so much time grinding and gearing up, maybe you should've devote a bit time to make in game friends who would queue with you. It simply doesn't make sense how a high cp would have no one to queue with. It's quite sad if you ask me.

I remember my first veteran DLC dungeon with my guildies run taking more than 4 hours, and still failing, because the DDs weren't pulling enough DPS. But I was doing everything I could as a tank.

Still I don't regret those hours spent getting wiped dozens of times at the same boss. Because next week, after DDs getting better rotations, we beat it and it felt so good. If it wasn't me and the healer sticking to the group, guiding them and never letting go, it wouldn't have happened. Those moments make the game fun, not trying to fast running dungeons with randoms and getting mad at them for not having optimal stuff.

If you got kicked from normal dlc because only 250 cp, they probably saved you from an long and slow run, only extremely trashy players would do that.
Now normal dlc was an pain back then they tended to get lots of very low level players now at the limit is 45 this is not much of an problem anymore, you tend to get mostly higher cp players who goes for 5 keys or farming random normals

GarnetFire17 · July 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Holy crap this thread is appalling. The amount of folks screaming "elitists" to people who want nor have the time to spend 3 hours in a dungeon wiping over and over because dps can only pull 10k a piece is scary.

Seriously, it's great that you want to go into vet dungeons in your mixed garb of green/blue gear with no rotation, food, or pots but you are the problem here. Not the so called elitists. A little preparation is required for that stuff and if you can't do it then you don't belong there since all you're doing is wasting time. Join a guild who will carry you through and teach you the basics, there are many (I run one that does just that, shameless plug)!

Btw, before I get attacked, I'm the tank who actually sticks around with bad groups in dungeon finder because it doesn't bug me, find it fun most of the time. Did you know you can wipe on Bloodspawn if your dps are bad? Learned that the hard way not very long ago, stuck around for that till group disbanded. I still get groups who can't get past the second boss of coa2 cuz dps is bad. When I use the dungeon finder I know what I'm getting myself into but to expect people to carry you or have hours to blow while doing a PUG vet dungeon is mind boggling.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but those "anti-elitist" crybullies are the reason why I dont do that anymore. I still like meeting new people, helping new players etc, but this witch hunt is just hideous.
Its just mind blowing how people dont see that blaming people for game design issues is actually toxic. Not to mention bringing up mental issues, this is just plain rude, both to supposedly "elitist" players and people with real mental issues.

The game design they need to fix is taking away the kick feature. Problem solved. You aren't entitled to do a dungeon any more or less than anyone else in the group. Your rights are no better. If you don't like spending 3hrs in a dungeon find some friends you like to do dungeons with and stay the out of the group finder to pick and choose your own group members to fit your desire. It's not an design problem it's an attitude problem so people have. Be polite, be patient, or leave. It's quite simple.

Inarre · July 2018

I was initially really upset that ZOS has taken away the option to queue for multiple roles with dungeon finder.

It's a *** off for people who, like me, main a healer and can do that role to a vet-trial level, but would like to, on the off-chance that the system needs it, work on my 30-35k dps rotation that I never get to experience in a group setting.

But, honestly at this point it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if I get ONE MORE F^&%!@$&^*ing "healer" in my pledge group who spams rapid regen like it's going to STACK by some miracle if he PRESSES THE BUTTON FAST ENOUGH or a "tank" who runs dual wield/bow and tries to tank the boss while its uppercutting the healer across the room by positioning himself in between them and blocking.

I do NOT understand why this game cannot integrate some sort of BASIC training for people who refuse to READ their skills.

GarnetFire17 · July 2018

The dungeons are basic training. What I think they should do is have the vet dungeons unlock in the group finder only after you beat it in Vet. still doesn't justify kicking people just because they don't have this yet. It's still being a jerk no matter how angry or frustrated or justified you feel.

Merlin13KAGL · July 2018

Geekgirl wrote: »

Do yourselves a favor - ignore the poor* players before you kick them, that way you will not be random dungeoned with them or any other characters on their account.

*In this case "poor" means inexperienced or "bad" as per outlined in the OP's original post.

@Geekgirl I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. Ignore is only good for chat, zone chat, whispers, and mail.

Best outcome of what you're suggesting is that you can compare the @name in the group to the @name on your ignore list, if you find yourself in a serious de ja vu moment.

The odds of you getting paired up again are pretty slim anyway. The only exception I've ever had to this was someone absolutely not doing their role and getting kicked (deservingly) was brought in as our replacement. I'll let you guess happened about 3 seconds later.

Diddly_D_Potatoes · July 2018

I've done a stupid amount of pledges. Keys stack to 200 fyi, and I've multiple stacks on multiple characters. /flex

I have no reason to use the group finder for pledges other than for the funzies. Queuing as a healer when your group is shirt is not fun. I'd rather slam my plums in my desk draw than try and deal with a pair muppet dps run by fingerless puppeteers.

If the first trash pull takes longer to finish than a boss fight. If I'm the healer, I'm out of there, no kicking required. I may apologize to the tank (won't if he's shirt), but he probably won't care, his queues are near instant and it'll give him an excuse to leave. Screw the deserter debuff, I've plenty of other characters to queue on it I'm feeling pledgy.

Whenever you solo group queue for vet dungeons it is a gamble. You get lucky sometimes and draw a good group. The kind where you check that it is set to vet part way through. Othertimes, it's an exercise of patience.

DoonerSeraph · July 2018

Inarre wrote: »

I was initially really upset that ZOS has taken away the option to queue for multiple roles with dungeon finder.

It's a *** off for people who, like me, main a healer and can do that role to a vet-trial level, but would like to, on the off-chance that the system needs it, work on my 30-35k dps rotation that I never get to experience in a group setting.

But, honestly at this point it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make if I get ONE MORE F^&%!@$&^*ing "healer" in my pledge group who spams rapid regen like it's going to STACK by some miracle if he PRESSES THE BUTTON FAST ENOUGH or a "tank" who runs dual wield/bow and tries to tank the boss while its uppercutting the healer across the room by positioning himself in between them and blocking.

I do NOT understand why this game cannot integrate some sort of BASIC training for people who refuse to READ their skills.

Its not that they don't know how to heal or tank, these people only wants a shorter queue for their "leet" DPS characters.

zaria · July 2018

GarnetFire17 wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Holy crap this thread is appalling. The amount of folks screaming "elitists" to people who want nor have the time to spend 3 hours in a dungeon wiping over and over because dps can only pull 10k a piece is scary.

Seriously, it's great that you want to go into vet dungeons in your mixed garb of green/blue gear with no rotation, food, or pots but you are the problem here. Not the so called elitists. A little preparation is required for that stuff and if you can't do it then you don't belong there since all you're doing is wasting time. Join a guild who will carry you through and teach you the basics, there are many (I run one that does just that, shameless plug)!

Btw, before I get attacked, I'm the tank who actually sticks around with bad groups in dungeon finder because it doesn't bug me, find it fun most of the time. Did you know you can wipe on Bloodspawn if your dps are bad? Learned that the hard way not very long ago, stuck around for that till group disbanded. I still get groups who can't get past the second boss of coa2 cuz dps is bad. When I use the dungeon finder I know what I'm getting myself into but to expect people to carry you or have hours to blow while doing a PUG vet dungeon is mind boggling.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but those "anti-elitist" crybullies are the reason why I dont do that anymore. I still like meeting new people, helping new players etc, but this witch hunt is just hideous.
Its just mind blowing how people dont see that blaming people for game design issues is actually toxic. Not to mention bringing up mental issues, this is just plain rude, both to supposedly "elitist" players and people with real mental issues.

The game design they need to fix is taking away the kick feature. Problem solved. You aren't entitled to do a dungeon any more or less than anyone else in the group. Your rights are no better. If you don't like spending 3hrs in a dungeon find some friends you like to do dungeons with and stay the out of the group finder to pick and choose your own group members to fit your desire. It's not an design problem it's an attitude problem so people have. Be polite, be patient, or leave. It's quite simple.

No the kick feature is needed you get fakes and LA spammers in hard vet dungeons for one, however limit it to one time, perhaps one extra if none in group has kicked anybody as it was in WOW. Now you can still kick abusers but you would not kick anybody for being low cp or other *** before seeing them in action as the replacement could easy be far worse.
Had an run in WOW, guild run but one got offline but was not kicked by game so we had to kick, replacement ported in but was AFK, we managed to 4 man the dungeon.
And I find people leaving is far more common than kicking, most of the time is group is bad rather than one player, normal and easier vet require an bad group to fail.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · July 2018

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Charliff1966 · July 2018

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

Vizier · July 2018

I really have little sympathy for anyone so motivated to complain about pugging. It's pretty much a given the chances are high any given random group is going to have suboptimal builds. Just deal with it...or...group with friends and guildies. Better yet, use it as an opportunity to help other players grow. You know, without being a ***.

(and no, could not even be bothered to read past the first few sentences of the opening chapter of your novella.)

zaria · July 2018

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Geekgirl wrote: »

Do yourselves a favor - ignore the poor* players before you kick them, that way you will not be random dungeoned with them or any other characters on their account.

*In this case "poor" means inexperienced or "bad" as per outlined in the OP's original post.

@Geekgirl I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. Ignore is only good for chat, zone chat, whispers, and mail.

Best outcome of what you're suggesting is that you can compare the @name in the group to the @name on your ignore list, if you find yourself in a serious de ja vu moment.

The odds of you getting paired up again are pretty slim anyway. The only exception I've ever had to this was someone absolutely not doing their role and getting kicked (deservingly) was brought in as our replacement. I'll let you guess happened about 3 seconds later.

LOL, had it happen, whoever he asked to be kicked from vet dlc, we got him again, granted this was in the morning so not many queuing, also don't queue for random vet unless you at least has some chance in an dlc.
Bonus is that if kicked early it looks like you don't get penalty.

BuddyAces · July 2018

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

And vet content is not made for people with this attitude. It was put in for people who put in the time to tackle harder content (in this case one step up from normal dungeons).

You don't try to enlist in the marine corps 200 lbs over weight with a broken ankle. You don't go into vet dungeons in green questing gear spamming light attacks and maybe one other skill. Join a guild that will teach you how, there's one or two out there, I promise. If you can't be prepared to do the content you Q for then you are the jerk holding up 3 other folks' time.

Charliff1966 · July 2018

BuddyAces wrote: »

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

And vet content is not made for people with this attitude. It was put in for people who put in the time to tackle harder content (in this case one step up from normal dungeons).

You don't try to enlist in the marine corps 200 lbs over weight with a broken ankle. You don't go into vet dungeons in green questing gear spamming light attacks and maybe one other skill. Join a guild that will teach you how, there's one or two out there, I promise. If you can't be prepared to do the content you Q for then you are the jerk holding up 3 other folks' time.

If the game allows me into the vet-content i will do it because ZOS says i can do it. Dont want me, dont use the dungeon finder.

LadyNalcarya · July 2018

Mureel wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Holy crap this thread is appalling. The amount of folks screaming "elitists" to people who want nor have the time to spend 3 hours in a dungeon wiping over and over because dps can only pull 10k a piece is scary.

Seriously, it's great that you want to go into vet dungeons in your mixed garb of green/blue gear with no rotation, food, or pots but you are the problem here. Not the so called elitists. A little preparation is required for that stuff and if you can't do it then you don't belong there since all you're doing is wasting time. Join a guild who will carry you through and teach you the basics, there are many (I run one that does just that, shameless plug)!

Btw, before I get attacked, I'm the tank who actually sticks around with bad groups in dungeon finder because it doesn't bug me, find it fun most of the time. Did you know you can wipe on Bloodspawn if your dps are bad? Learned that the hard way not very long ago, stuck around for that till group disbanded. I still get groups who can't get past the second boss of coa2 cuz dps is bad. When I use the dungeon finder I know what I'm getting myself into but to expect people to carry you or have hours to blow while doing a PUG vet dungeon is mind boggling.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but those "anti-elitist" crybullies are the reason why I dont do that anymore. I still like meeting new people, helping new players etc, but this witch hunt is just hideous.
Its just mind blowing how people dont see that blaming people for game design issues is actually toxic. Not to mention bringing up mental issues, this is just plain rude, both to supposedly "elitist" players and people with real mental issues.

@LadyNalcarya
You know, I heart you!

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

But chess is also just a game, but you're expected to follow the rules if you decide to play it...
Football is also a game, but people are much more serious about it than about ESO, and even if you've joined a school team or something, you're still expected to follow the rules.
Even children's games like hopscotch or hide-and-seek have rules.
Take any game in the existence, and you'll have to "learn to play it". That's just what they are, you have a set of "objectives", rules and often there are win/lose conditions. It's not super difficult if even small kids can understand the concept.

Huyen · July 2018

Vizier wrote: »

I really have little sympathy for anyone so motivated to complain about pugging. It's pretty much a given the chances are high any given random group is going to have suboptimal builds. Just deal with it...or...group with friends and guildies. Better yet, use it as an opportunity to help other players grow. You know, without being a ***.

(and no, could not even be bothered to read past the first few sentences of the opening chapter of your novella.)

I rerolled as tank as I'm one of the few people that cant get high numbers as dps, but as of late (past 3 days or so) I just leave the group if a dps rushes on, tries to skip trash, or even says "lets do speedrun". I prefer to run normal nondlc dungeons with people who are leveling so they can learn a thing or two. Usally I skip dlc dungeons completely despite my eso+. And yes, I pug alot as I'm not as social as most people...

On the ps4 btw.

Agenericname · July 2018

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Mureel wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

BuddyAces wrote: »

Holy crap this thread is appalling. The amount of folks screaming "elitists" to people who want nor have the time to spend 3 hours in a dungeon wiping over and over because dps can only pull 10k a piece is scary.

Seriously, it's great that you want to go into vet dungeons in your mixed garb of green/blue gear with no rotation, food, or pots but you are the problem here. Not the so called elitists. A little preparation is required for that stuff and if you can't do it then you don't belong there since all you're doing is wasting time. Join a guild who will carry you through and teach you the basics, there are many (I run one that does just that, shameless plug)!

Btw, before I get attacked, I'm the tank who actually sticks around with bad groups in dungeon finder because it doesn't bug me, find it fun most of the time. Did you know you can wipe on Bloodspawn if your dps are bad? Learned that the hard way not very long ago, stuck around for that till group disbanded. I still get groups who can't get past the second boss of coa2 cuz dps is bad. When I use the dungeon finder I know what I'm getting myself into but to expect people to carry you or have hours to blow while doing a PUG vet dungeon is mind boggling.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but those "anti-elitist" crybullies are the reason why I dont do that anymore. I still like meeting new people, helping new players etc, but this witch hunt is just hideous.
Its just mind blowing how people dont see that blaming people for game design issues is actually toxic. Not to mention bringing up mental issues, this is just plain rude, both to supposedly "elitist" players and people with real mental issues.

@LadyNalcarya
You know, I heart you!

Charliff1966 wrote: »

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

so many complains yet as I said before... you can ezpz pull 30-35k dps with a CP 160 character and having the crafted setups...all it takes is know your class and how to play...so instead of coming here complaining...how about you take that time to learn how to play instead?

Its a game nothing more nothing else.

But chess is also just a game, but you're expected to follow the rules if you decide to play it...

It's not against the rules. Going into a dungeon in all greens spamming light attacks may not be what you want, or optimal, or even courteous, but it isn't against the rules.