If you want to grind top ranking PvP it can be a lot, but if you enjoy PvP it's fine as it is. It's a nice way to see experience of the enemy you face. Lowering this would lead to situation where you could find whole groups of rank 50 players.

No! It is right as it is. I want more ranks, with way more points needed. Too many peoples of us have 1 or 2 chars on AvA rank 50.

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rexagamemnon wrote: »

...because i am a perfectionist when it comes to trifles at times. So...

so, perfectionists must pay price for their perfection.I think this is rightly

Cost isn’t a concern. I’m just sad I’m stuck to play one character be cool if it was account wide, per faction of course. Filthy traitors.

VaranisArano wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I look at the difference between my AP and a Grand Overlord's. I've got a long way to go.

I look at the difference between my PVP skill/experience and that of the Grand Overlords I know personally. I've got a long way to go.

Sounds about right to me.

The majority of GOs are just 24/7 players running in a ball group rolling over PUGs. Has nothing to do with knowledge of the game or "skill". For an average player, spending a few hours a week in Cyrodiil ( like 5-10 and that's probably already on the higher end ), GO is still basically unachievable, no matter how skilled he is.

If someone manages to play PVP all the way to 64 million AP and doesn't have some sort of skill at PVP (even if that's just being really good at zerg-surfing and being there to leech ticks), I'd be impressed.

Its hard to do that much of something, and not learn anything.

But as I said, when I look at the skill and experience of the Grand Overlords I know personally, I know I've got a long way to go. And yeah, some of that is just the sheer hours they've put into PVP.

Skill takes practice. Practice takes hours. There's no way around that.

exactly. even if they zerg-surfed to that level, they still have picked things up along the way. they're gonna know intuitively which among their siege equipment will be fastest at bringing down a Postern Door, and navigate to slot it on muscle memory. they're gonna crouch to sneak at exactly the right time without even a concious thought about it flitting across their brain. they're gonna know from habit when it's time to flank, and when that's probably a trap.

just like i knew the driving laws before ever driving a car, because i'd been riding around for 16 years. not having the wheel wasn't my preferred playstyle, but i sure picked up a lot anyway.

I might get there before the game dies..i might not..but what i do know is that those people earned it and i haven’t..it’s supposed to be hard, otherwise it’d have no meaning

You know, I have immense respect for those in the PvE community who spend countless hours honing the skills and their build and learning the intricacies of each and every trial and dungeon. I know how difficult that is and I know how much work that takes to be good at it. I would never dream of demeaning those achievements and I would NEVER ask to make those dungeons easy enough for someone like me to breeze through.

It really bothers me on a lot of levels to hear the PvE community devalue and demean the work and resultant skill put forth by the majority of us in the PvP community. There is a LOT that goes into it, and no one walks into Cyrodil instantly "good". It takes practice to read a map and learn how to anticipate movement. It takes skill to learn how to gauge a battle and whether or not it's worth sticking around rather than dipping out to go do something else that might strategically cut the offensive group off and help turn the tide of battle. It takes hours of playing to gain that instinctual muscle memory that helps you to respond instantly to a perceived threat. Our builds take hours and hours to carefully craft to be able to stay alive while 10-60 people are all beating the crap out of us, while still doing damage and maintaining fluid, fast movement.

It is not easy to be good at PvP, and cheaters/exploiters notwithstanding (we hate those trashcans as much as you guys), it is not easy to rank to GO.

They cost too little, tbh, as they were never adjusted while AP gains have done through the roof.

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

WTB Undaunted, fighters and mages guilds max rank token.

I will do any of them again before the Psijic Quest line. That's just tedious as hell.

Fighters is mostly mindless at worst. Just ride an anchor train.

Undaunted should hit max around the second or third Vet dungeon. Can be had much earlier if you get people to keep sharing daily delve quests.

Mages is often made out to be more trouble than it really is. I'm usually at around 7 or so after grabbing the books along the way while getting the overland Skyshards.

I imagine it's even easier on PC, but I'm on console.

Anotherone773 wrote: »

No its fine as it. Before they made the AP changes to BGs i would of said probably. But you can earn 35k AP /hr AP in a BG phoning it in and its not unreasonable to be able to earn 50k plus an hour. That is only 4 hours( actually 3.56 hours) a day for a year to hit 65 mil.

"Only" four hours a day for a year straight...Was that irony or do you really not realize how far removed that is from a normal player ?

Note that I'm not even advocating that the requirements be lowered, all I'm saying is that the vast majority of players still won't ever get the title no matter the recent AP gain adjustments and unlike some posters in this thread are insinuating, them "filthy casuals" will certainly not just pick it up along the way.

VaranisArano wrote: »

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I look at the difference between my AP and a Grand Overlord's. I've got a long way to go.

I look at the difference between my PVP skill/experience and that of the Grand Overlords I know personally. I've got a long way to go.

Sounds about right to me.

The majority of GOs are just 24/7 players running in a ball group rolling over PUGs. Has nothing to do with knowledge of the game or "skill". For an average player, spending a few hours a week in Cyrodiil ( like 5-10 and that's probably already on the higher end ), GO is still basically unachievable, no matter how skilled he is.

If someone manages to play PVP all the way to 64 million AP and doesn't have some sort of skill at PVP (even if that's just being really good at zerg-surfing and being there to leech ticks), I'd be impressed.

Its hard to do that much of something, and not learn anything.

But as I said, when I look at the skill and experience of the Grand Overlords I know personally, I know I've got a long way to go. And yeah, some of that is just the sheer hours they've put into PVP.

Skill takes practice. Practice takes hours. There's no way around that.

If you'd said that prior to last year's Midyear Mayhem, I'd have agreed with you - to the point that even Tribune or Brigadier you'd assume would have some idea on how to fight, both 1v1 open world or at keeps. Since then I've seen AR30+ players that I don't know how they got there. I still remember the time a Praetorian rank sorc tried to engage me (at the time, Prefect) off a horse, and then ran away as I dismounted leaving me wondering 'wtf'?