Alliance war ranks, do they cost too much AP?

swippy

it's great the way it is. i like pvp and i'm only a Captain. i can't imagine trying to "grind" it for an achievement; it'd take forever and suck the fun out of it for me. but you shouldn't just be able to speed through to be a "Grand" anything. when i see Grand Overlords i know that's someone who's put in their time and i could probably learn something from, regardless of whether they're a teacher.

you can quest your way to maxCP without knowing too much about any competitive aspects of the game. good luck questing up to Grand Overlord before the servers are taken down.

VaranisArano

I look at the difference between my AP and a Grand Overlord's. I've got a long way to go.

I look at the difference between my PVP skill/experience and that of the Grand Overlords I know personally. I've got a long way to go.

Sounds about right to me.

Soella

Yes, 65million AP for GO2 is ridiculas

PvPers can get all available skill points from PvE within couple weeks. OK, let it be a month. It would be fair if PvErs can get all skill points from PvP for about same amount of time.

Achievements are another thing - 1 year of efforts to get top PvP achievement sounds reasonable.

CyrusArya

No, its just fine as is

I am a player that doesn’t care about alliance rank, and don’t have a single character with stars. No, it should never be watered down. They’ve already made it so much easier to get GO as is. Some achievements in this game are or can be a sprint, alliance rank is and should be a marathon. The whole point of it is to demonstrate dedication and perserverence. Just think of what it is based on irl. Military rank isn’t just handed out to every pug that wants shiny medals. Entitled PvErs and achievement hunters need to buckle down and accept that for this one, you’re in it for the long haul.

I have friends who are GOs and did it the hard way. I do not wanna see their achievement watered down. Alliance rank grind is fine as is, and should actually have never been diminshed in the first place.

Jurand80

Other,(explain in comments)

Only master angler has my respect

CyrusArya

No, its just fine as is

VaranisArano wrote: »

I look at the difference between my AP and a Grand Overlord's. I've got a long way to go.

I look at the difference between my PVP skill/experience and that of the Grand Overlords I know personally. I've got a long way to go.

Sounds about right to me.

Ehh. Alliance rank is more of a symbolic achievement, not a validation of skill. Alliance rank says nothing about player ability, just how long they have played. I have videos of 1vXing and small scaling GOs. Out of all the GO’s on PC NA, only a handful are any good.

ayu_fever

Yes, 65million AP for GO2 is ridiculas

yes, and i say this because i am only there to get a few of those skills in the assault and support lines so i can go back to pve where i belong.
the grind to rank 6 isnt long, but it feels like forever because i dont want to be in that silly pvp nonsense.

Vietfox

No, its just fine as is

And wouldn't mind if the cost was higher tbh.

CatchMeTrolling

swippy wrote: »

it's great the way it is. i like pvp and i'm only a Captain. i can't imagine trying to "grind" it for an achievement; it'd take forever and suck the fun out of it for me. but you shouldn't just be able to speed through to be a "Grand" anything. when i see Grand Overlords i know that's someone who's put in their time and i could probably learn something from, regardless of whether they're a teacher.

you can quest your way to maxCP without knowing too much about any competitive aspects of the game. good luck questing up to Grand Overlord before the servers are taken down.

Yeah there’s plenty of players with stars that have absolutely no idea what they’re doing, especially with the double ap events and ap increase.

As someone who gained a star before they buffed ap and before anyone else on my alliance I can say the system is tedious. And now when you see a high rank you usually assume they’re bad unless you’re new to pvp or are a low rank yourself.

Starlight_Knight

No, its just fine as is

The already increased the amount of AP you earn, and in the past they reduced the amount you need to get rank 50. its in a good place now.

they better not nerf it just for casuals who want skill points,

Shadow_Akula

Yes, 65million AP for GO2 is ridiculas

bg22 wrote: »

Shadow_Akula wrote: »

I just don’t see the point in the grade 1 - grade 2 system.

Similar to real military ranks, you mean? lol That’s the point.

Not really similar to real military ranks. You don’t get sergeant grade 1 and sergeant grade 2, you get Sergeant then Staff Sergeant. Only grades are pay grade classifications e.g. E5 for Sergeant E6 for Staff Sergeant.

If you mean Private, Private First Class, etc. Those are completely different ranks, one can go from Private to Corporal without the PFC rank in between, and most countries don’t even use the PFC rank at all.

Taleof2Cities

No, its just fine as is

Feanor wrote: »

There were times when a kill got you 100 AP, a resource 125 AP, and a 10k+ Def Tick was considered awesome. Now? It’s really easy to get AP.

^This.^

Getting AP is the easiest it has ever been in the 4+ years of ESO PvP.

MissBizz

No, its just fine as is

Preetttyyyy sure they already nerfed these before... so it takes less than it used to. Not sure if it's less overall of they just made the scaling so you can unlock all the skills with less AP than before though...

Karivaa

No, its just fine as is

No! Many of us worked hard for our ranks!

driosketch

Other,(explain in comments)

If you get out there and pvp regularly each evening, even a solo player should be able to earn 65 million AP over the course of a couple years. Sounds like a grind, but when I started it was more like a ten year grind. So while daunting, it's at least obtainable for a dedicated PvPer.

Unfadingsilence

No, its just fine as is

I PVE and PVP and I'm working on getting to my second 5 star currently I'm at 2 stars about to hit my 3rd, the first time getting 5 stars was A LOT harder than it is now by a long shot. Pretty much easy right now

MaxwellC

No, its just fine as is

LOL this is incredible yeah and all of us old school PvPers still didn't get bumped when AP was increased for various sources. I remember being a praetorian couple months after console release and I'm currently a Grade 2 Overlord in 2018.

In console chat you got people bragging about being a grand overlord, etc but there kills are significantly less than mine.

Lylith

Shadow_Akula wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Shadow_Akula wrote: »

I just don’t see the point in the grade 1 - grade 2 system.

Similar to real military ranks, you mean? lol That’s the point.

Not really similar to real military ranks. You don’t get sergeant grade 1 and sergeant grade 2, you get Sergeant then Staff Sergeant. Only grades are pay grade classifications e.g. E5 for Sergeant E6 for Staff Sergeant.

If you mean Private, Private First Class, etc. Those are completely different ranks, one can go from Private to Corporal without the PFC rank in between, and most countries don’t even use the PFC rank at all.

then there's sfc e7, sgm/msgt/1sgt e8, and csgm e9. fwiw.

but you're right, it's not really like the military. only certain ranks have that sort of gradation.

Defilted

Other,(explain in comments)

Meant to select No.

So No they are fine.

Aesthier

rexagamemnon wrote: »

Alliance war ranks, do they cost too much AP?

Since when did Alliance rank "cost" AP?

Am I the only one that never purchased rank?

runagate

No, its just fine as is

Don't be absurd. My first character pvped mostly from launch to halfway through 2015. About a year. Is AR 24. Almost constantly played with the best PC/NA group at the time, every day of the week, dozens of hours a week. I didn't leave Cyrodiil for so long that when I finally did I forgot there's mobs all over the place and got crushed by normal overland zone trash I didn't expect to be everywhere as I rocketed across the landscape, and people casting bolt escape freaked me out and I'd always instinctively dodge or block...


My 13th character is AR 22. I don't even especially remember pvping on this particular toon very much, except when teaching pvp to some new player friends on some off-campaign. Getting AP nowadays is 10 trillion times faster than it once was.

dem0n1k

No, its just fine as is

AP is gained at such a massively higher rate than it used to be that it would not make any sense for them to 'lower the ceiling' at this point... oh wait...

Sandman929

Other,(explain in comments)

It's just so one dimensional. I'd rather have more titles for actual contribution than this AP gauge.

Juhasow

Other,(explain in comments)

With AP gains increased so many times current AP needed for grand overlord seems to be too low tbh.

idk

No, its just fine as is

The higher ranks are not intended to be extremely easy to get. Not that it is hard to get AP. The higher ranks are intended to show someone has dedicated themselves to PvP to a certain extent.

It is like saying vCR HM (+3) needs to be made easier so we can all get that achievement. Somethings are intended to not be easy to get.

FloppyTouch

No, its just fine as is

It's fine

I think they should add new ranks at this point with so many 5 stars around.

I'm at rank 40 half way to 5 star and been playing for 4 years. It's something to work for and it keeps me coming back. Plus with the increase to ap gains it's becoming even faster.

Doctordarkspawn

Yes, 65million AP for GO2 is ridiculas

WaltherCarraway wrote: »

WTB Undaunted, fighters and mages guilds max rank token.

One dont make the other okay.

ArchMikem

Yes, 65million AP for GO2 is ridiculas

I will recognize that there are people who have gotten there, however I will also recognize they probably use every boost and opportunity to maximize gain they can, even the bugs that used to exist.

But for me? In the last two years I've only earned 7 million. I will NEVER unlock everything no matter how long I play.

cazlonb16_ESO

VaranisArano wrote: »

I look at the difference between my AP and a Grand Overlord's. I've got a long way to go.

I look at the difference between my PVP skill/experience and that of the Grand Overlords I know personally. I've got a long way to go.

Sounds about right to me.

The majority of GOs are just 24/7 players running in a ball group rolling over PUGs. Has nothing to do with knowledge of the game or "skill". For an average player, spending a few hours a week in Cyrodiil ( like 5-10 and that's probably already on the higher end ), GO is still basically unachievable, no matter how skilled he is.

VaranisArano

cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

I look at the difference between my AP and a Grand Overlord's. I've got a long way to go.

I look at the difference between my PVP skill/experience and that of the Grand Overlords I know personally. I've got a long way to go.

Sounds about right to me.

The majority of GOs are just 24/7 players running in a ball group rolling over PUGs. Has nothing to do with knowledge of the game or "skill". For an average player, spending a few hours a week in Cyrodiil ( like 5-10 and that's probably already on the higher end ), GO is still basically unachievable, no matter how skilled he is.

If someone manages to play PVP all the way to 64 million AP and doesn't have some sort of skill at PVP (even if that's just being really good at zerg-surfing and being there to leech ticks), I'd be impressed.

Its hard to do that much of something, and not learn anything.

But as I said, when I look at the skill and experience of the Grand Overlords I know personally, I know I've got a long way to go. And yeah, some of that is just the sheer hours they've put into PVP.

Skill takes practice. Practice takes hours. There's no way around that.