Nyladreas wrote: »

Jsmalls wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Bigevilpeter wrote: »

I played all classes magicka and stamina all geared up and end game content. The last class I got to unfortunately was the Magsorc and boy have I been missing out.

Not only is they damage insane and have access to almost all utilities, but they are also so durable with shields and can self heal just by doing damage.

I got the easiest no deaths runs yet and can so easily carry my teams.

Yeah mageblades can so more damage, but they are not as relaxing and carefree as Magsorcs

Try out BGs too, especially deathmatch. You can just stand on a hill stack shields and watch for anyone dropping low enough to finish them off with fury and farm kills for the leaderboard. And if you get attacked... Turtle-Hurry back to your team and do the same thing! Wait for someone to get jumped and finish em off!

It really takes a ton of effort to be 50:0 K:D

While we're at it, tryout Magblades too. Similar experience.

Seriously though... It's stupid. Some people get so used to it that it becomes a reflex for them. It's amusing to watch them spam their execute even when you're using a rare build that they can't even get to 50%

@Nyladreas

Actually laughed when I saw unique build that they can't even get to 50%. You mean tank-meta that is currently plaguing Cryodiil. They don't do much damage and just stack in groups, but I mean I guess that's herd mentality lololol. Absolutely killing small scale to solo in PvP as there is no way to take them down solo even if you're the better player. And don't be so proud, MagSorc burst is limited to like 15-20k against a "tanky" player. So you're still sitting pretty at 10k health laughing at the MagSorc who executed a perfect burst on you, and your "unique build" carried you so you're still standing. GG on being that "unique" player

Of course this was last patch. Can't wait till light attacks, staff changes, and Rune Cage puts those builds in their place on console. I already see it everywhere, "Why was my 30k health build one shot by a Sorc". Can't stop smiling.

This makes me smile too because you're actually entirely wrong

I'll keep you assuming.

I never specified a build, there are numerous, too many to list them all. Can range from heavy armor to fortified brass in light armor though, it's all been done, and it's plaguing Cryodiil. It's not hard to be tanky in Cryodiil, that's why it's so common, it's eeeeeeeasy. The only thing that I can guarantee is that you run a "large" health pool (nothing extreme but I'm going to guess nearing 30k), and I hope to Akatosh you're not a tank doing no damage just sitting absorbing damage, those are the worst

Im mostly a pve player, but have found sorc to be annoying in pvp, but always thought it was just because i sucked and dont know how to counter them, apparently there is so much hate for them there too

MagSorc is without a doubt the easiest toon to wreck havoc with in PvP and is ridiculously easy for PvE.

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

What’s easy mode is the amount of bad players around. Nothing to do with Sorc really.

10/10 would chuckle again ...

As an example... Compare vMA as stamblade vs vMA as magsorc and share the results... I'll wait

To use myself as an example, I flawlessed on my magsorc my very first time walking into vma. No maelstrom arena champion or stormproof title beforehand, just "Flawless Conqueror" in my first and only run.

Compare that to my stamblade who is my original character and played the most with. The best I did was 5 deaths.

Classes are so unbalanced in pve.

i also finished vma on my stamplar without deaths, vma is not an adequate qualification. You can easily see magsorc being op from pvp and pve. Played most specs and i can say that magicka overall is better, with magsorc or NB above all. In PVE, with my stamnb bow build, i barely reach 25k. With my magsorc in PVE, i reach 28k with resto staff backbar.

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

What’s easy mode is the amount of bad players around. Nothing to do with Sorc really.

10/10 would chuckle again ...

As an example... Compare vMA as stamblade vs vMA as magsorc and share the results... I'll wait

Lol, really? Stamblade being the most difficult and magsorc being second easiest? How is that a true comparison? Magblades are the true vma gods.

This is a sorc nerf thread, clearly "populated" by NBs who fear to lose their 7k DPS advantage they have on anybody else. So they "divert" attention to other classes, the best "puncturable voodoo doll" being sorcs.

Vahrokh wrote: »

Massive_Stain wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

What’s easy mode is the amount of bad players around. Nothing to do with Sorc really.

10/10 would chuckle again ...

As an example... Compare vMA as stamblade vs vMA as magsorc and share the results... I'll wait

Lol, really? Stamblade being the most difficult and magsorc being second easiest? How is that a true comparison? Magblades are the true vma gods.

This is a sorc nerf thread, clearly "populated" by NBs who fear to lose their 7k DPS advantage they have on anybody else. So they "divert" attention to other classes, the best "puncturable voodoo doll" being sorcs.

Actually I mainly play StamDK and MagSorc now, not playing a night blade so it wouldnt be at all in my favor if they nerfed sorcs, but Im saying what I noticed, lifr is so much easier now

Joy_Division wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

Feanor wrote: »

What’s easy mode is the amount of bad players around. Nothing to do with Sorc really.

10/10 would chuckle again ...

As an example... Compare vMA as stamblade vs vMA as magsorc and share the results... I'll wait

Stamblade laughing how some other class has it easy?

If you think the stamblade's rotation is easy mode then your bias has completely blinded you beyond credibility. You yourself have admitted that you don't play as a stamblade so maybe you should avoid critiquing a class you're ignorant about.

Lol, met this new player the other night on PS4 and he made a mageblade, but kept saying he knew he should've went with a sorc because he did his research and found that everyone says sorcs are the most OP and easy mode. I told him to just stick with the mageblade because they will be relevant again with Summerset and what his research didn't tell him is that people will hate you if you're on a sorc. But I told him if he wants to make a second character eventually, he can make it a sorc, but recommended he not choose a pet sorc, because nobody will let him do end game PvE.

(fyi, yes I have a sorc, yes I've tried the easy mode build, yes I've tried the pet build, I hated it as much as my guildmates hated it, and I prefer the non-pet build)

Magsorcs are easy mode in any content pve and pvp. Shields are so strong and you can easily shieldstack if needed. Mostly you don´t even have to shieldstack
Powers surge heals you just enough under the shields and healers in pve can heal the rest. Ton of shield makes you very tanky even in dps role.


Sorc also haves mobility, cc, finisher, good ultimates, passives and plenty of working class skills. Actually every class skill works and most are instant.

Try playing magic templar and you will realize that templar is slow turret, with poor house defence and most class skills are just so poor that nobody use them in pvp/pve. Then you will feel like a god playing sorcerer after that.

kikkehs wrote: »

Amazing how everyone is saying 'sorc is easymode'

Easy mode for what? PvE? Nope, thats the title the magblades got.
Easy mode for? PvP? Nope. Stamina has been flavored in PvP the last year or two, only people that will say anything different is crybabies that rather call for nerfs than learn too play.

CURRENT PATCH; Sure! Rune Cage IS overperforming, EVERY sorc says so. But that's ONE ability, and it works just as other hard CC's already in the game (tho the dmg can be reduced)

PvE DPS is dominated by magBlades.
PvP DDs is dominated by StamBlades (sloads hit them nicely this patch)

So, again! Why this hatred towards Sorcs when it's OBVIOUS the nightblade that is overperforming?

Found a Sorc main!

kikkehs wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

Amazing how everyone is saying 'sorc is easymode'

Easy mode for what? PvE? Nope, thats the title the magblades got.
Easy mode for? PvP? Nope. Stamina has been flavored in PvP the last year or two, only people that will say anything different is crybabies that rather call for nerfs than learn too play.

CURRENT PATCH; Sure! Rune Cage IS overperforming, EVERY sorc says so. But that's ONE ability, and it works just as other hard CC's already in the game (tho the dmg can be reduced)

PvE DPS is dominated by magBlades.
PvP DDs is dominated by StamBlades (sloads hit them nicely this patch)

So, again! Why this hatred towards Sorcs when it's OBVIOUS the nightblade that is overperforming?

Found a Sorc main!

Found a magblade main!

Actually, I main a Warden tank. Nice try though.

(also, before you use the "But your signature says you play a stamblade" argument, I made my stamblade before PvP stamblades were cool and I haven't used cloak on my magblade or stamblade since Dark Brotherhood, because I do just fine without it and can have room for other skills on my bar. The arrival of Sloads doesn't bother me and it isn't worth crying for a nerf about. Also, if you think PvP is dominated by stamblades, you are gravely mistaken. This was discussed in another thread that just because you die more to a particular class or kill more of a particular class, does not mean that more of that class populates PvP than others. Also, magblades easy in PvE, lol. This has also been discussed and even proven in videos to be false. Mageblades have a difficult rotation to master, compared to magSorcs. You're clearly biased and asinine comment is why no one in this thread can take you seriously and why I'm not going to continue to explain the errors of your thinking to you.)

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

JPcrazysquirrel3 wrote: »

kikkehs wrote: »

Amazing how everyone is saying 'sorc is easymode'

Easy mode for what? PvE? Nope, thats the title the magblades got.
Easy mode for? PvP? Nope. Stamina has been flavored in PvP the last year or two, only people that will say anything different is crybabies that rather call for nerfs than learn too play.

CURRENT PATCH; Sure! Rune Cage IS overperforming, EVERY sorc says so. But that's ONE ability, and it works just as other hard CC's already in the game (tho the dmg can be reduced)

PvE DPS is dominated by magBlades.
PvP DDs is dominated by StamBlades (sloads hit them nicely this patch)

So, again! Why this hatred towards Sorcs when it's OBVIOUS the nightblade that is overperforming?

Found a Sorc main!

ITT: A "discussion" about sorcerer's floor performance and rotation

Also ITT: "you main a sorc? you don't have a say here! Get out!"

GG

Putting words in my mouth? GG

I didn't tell him to leave. I was pointing out his over-eagerness to blast another class, albeit erroneously, and his clear and present class bias.

Apparently, you overlooked the part where I said I have a Sorc too. (actually, I have more than one, I have three)

I main a magsorc, and have found magnb ALOT easier to solo with.

WB I couldn’t kill on my Sorc was merely a game of attrition on my nb.

I guess it just comes down to play style of the player

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Then enlighten us what you tried to achieve with your sassy "Found a Sorc main!" . Besides undermining the pov of players that don't jump the band wagon to bash sorcs. Which btw seems to be a trademark of many noobs in this forum.

Did he exaggerated in his post? Yes, he did. Does he still have a point? Yes, he does.
Was it alcast who cleared the new trail on vet hm with 7 magblades and 1 sorc in the group?

Is the floor higher on a magsorc (especially w/ pets) than on a magblade? Seems so, but the change to Grim Focus made it a lot easier for NBs.
Does the floor mean anything except for complete beginners to the class? No. The ceiling is far more imporant.

I'm far from a noob. And sorcs are definitely the strongest class in the game ability-wise. I agree with @gnarlyvandal , in that Sorcs are squishier than NBs, because Sorcs typically go all out damage, whereas NBs have more survivability with their abilities to steal health.

Also, @pieratsos has it right too. Don't really see "wrecking faces", more like just sitting back and using CCs and an overpowered execute to steal kills from the rest of his group members.

Tbqh, Sorcs as is should be the standard for balancing other classes. If they were brought up to the level of utility and flexibility Sorcs have, this game would probably be better balanced, class-wise.

I'm not bashing Sorcs by stating the fact that they are currently and have been for quite some time, the overall best class in the game. @kikkehs remark, on the otherhand was blatantly bashing a class, and if you're too blind to see that, then perhaps you hold some class prejudice as well.

Daus wrote: »

pieratsos wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lol yeah they are. Did you see Alcast's latest BG video? He even says he's not even good with a magsorc and he's wrecking faces.

I watched the entire deathmatch BG match. Still trying to find that "sorc OP" or "wrecking faces". The entire video is prety much just steal kills because of endless fury and sitting on the back just shooting at people without anyone bothering him. A few 1v1 kills against people who cant even cc break and the occasional "good kill" here and there because rune cage is dumb.

And as far as the "shieldstacking OP" is concerned that seems to be prety popular these days, every single time he was focused by a couple of players he either died in the blink of an eye or he casted streak 3-4 times to gtfo.

And all that is ofc in a match with a bunch of randoms, where most of them are just simply bad players. Ironically its the scenario that sorc excels at. Killing potatoes.

You either have a very low standard for what "Wrecking faces" actually means or were watching a different video.

Different video. He took down the one where he said sorcs were broken. Not sure why? I saw a lot of magSorcs QQing in the comments for being called out though.

Lol, @Daus , I've agreed with a lot of your standpoints on different threads. A refreshing glass of mead or Russafeld Red for you, my friend!
This thread has been rampant with Sorc QQing for not being able to face the fact that that class is the most overpowered in the game. (this coming from someone who plays three different sorcs)
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