LOL Week 4, NO combat updates

This current pts cycle is a joke we got no class balance at all you have no reason to play anything but a nightblade or a warden because they are generally better for cyro and group in pvp you gave us a worse version of reflective plate that removes snares and gets instantly snared because it has no immunity nightblades still get a dmg buff on incap everyone else got their dmg buff nerfed to crap because it only affects light attacks now what's the point of having a test server if you dont put anything people want in to test

Please remove sound effect/animation on the infalliable aether set like you've done with jorvulds guidance

J18696 wrote: »

This current pts cycle is a joke we got no class balance at all you have no reason to play anything but a nightblade or a warden because they are generally better for cyro and group in pvp you gave us a worse version of reflective plate that removes snares and gets instantly snared because it has no immunity nightblades still get a dmg buff on incap everyone else got their dmg buff nerfed to crap because it only affects light attacks now what's the point of having a test server if you dont put anything people want in to test

Apparently Wrobel wants combat to consist one DPS skills (the same skill on every build and class) and light attacks. such gloriously engaging gameplay, no?.

seriously this game is getting really..... unfun to play.

combat wise this is probably going to be the worst patch ever.

VaxtinTheWolf wrote: »

So safe to delete the PTS client I have from my HDD now? After that post I read in another thread, and these notes here, There is no longer seems there will by anything else that I was expecting to test, like those mysterious hints about additional Class ability alterations. This has been a little more than a disappointing wait and my excitement to be involved has been drained.

Perhaps I shall begin a search for an Elder Scroll. I've heard whispers that possible plans for Class Ability changes are in there, and I'd at least like to take a peek.

You do realize that people's actions can change the contents of an Elder Scroll?

Masel92 wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Masel92 wrote: »

Darkdex wrote: »

Well, bloodthirst is now useless, it is OVERNERFED, a 15% damage increase would be balanced from my perspective. Please reconsider this change @ZOS_GinaBruno

Well it outperformed other traits by a lot, so 10% is fairly in line. With three bloodthirsty you will now get 7.5% more damage overall, which is multiplicative with all other damage.

No other trait would offer you a flat 11.25% damage increase on three jewellery, using the 15% per item you suggested. All builds that were published until now used bloodthirsty because it outperformed the rest by a mile. Now it will be slightly ahead, but it is a tradeoff because resources have more utility.

No this is not how it works. You are saying that 25% of the time you get 10% more damage, but enemies are not in execute range for 25% of the fight. Since group damage increases significantly during the execute phase, the last 25% of boss health only makes up around 15% of fight duration. Using magblade as an example, Impale does more than double the damage of Funnel Health.

With this in mind, 3 pieces of Bloodthirsty only average 10% X 3 X 15% = 4.5% damage increase average. This is weaker than Infused, Arcane or Robust for damage. Additionally, the other traits help with healing and shields, Bloodthirsty does nothing for defense.

The only situation Bloodthirsty looks good is solo on a class that does not have an execute, like MagDK. It is probably useful for cheesing a high dummy parse, but loses its effectiveness when grouped with others that have increased execute damage. It doesn't make sense that the "trials trait" becomes useless when doing content in a group.

I'll agree that 20% bonus damage was too high, and it over performed compared to other traits. However, Bloodthirsty really should provide higher damage than other traits, considering its lack of defensive utility. 15% could be the right number, but 10% just means it should be avoided by all builds, and there is no point in adding it to the game.

I don't agree with the reasoning that bloodthirsty becomes obsolete with more bloodthirsty... Execute phases are often the hardest phases where you need the highest damage. In progression raids, this trait will make many fights way easier (vHoF 4th and 5th, vAS+2 execute).


Your math further assumes that overall damage in execute increases by 40%. That is not true and depends largely on the fight. If that were true I'd have 40k on stamblade until execute and then go up to 56k just by changing the spammable to killers blade and having a bit more damage from blade cloak and rending slashes.

The major utility of bloodthirsty in pve is that it enables more damage on boss fights where you need high damage on execute, because that's what the trait is designed for. The trait did so much more damage than others, for me it was at least 2-3k on low parsing classes(magplar, stamsorc, stamplar) and more on high parsing classes (stamblade, stam dk, magblade).

In PvP this will still not kill it. 30% on all dots and abilities against a target as soon as health drops below 25% is still very strong.

With the new Bloodthirsty, if all DPS used it I would guarantee that group DPS would increase by at least 30% in execute . Add in executes and I wouldn't be surprised to see a DPS increase over 50% for the last 25% of a boss's health. My 15% duration estimate was more of an observation from what I've seen in most fights.

I'm open to more data, if any nightblades want to look at their combat logs and see at what time they started using their execute (since nightblades start executing at 25% health, same as bloodthirsty). Maybe it's 83% of the way the through a fight duration in seconds, maybe 87%, but I'm sure it is not 75% by the timer. And I'm comparing to live, if people start using Bloodhtirsty then this will shift more duration to pre-execute phase, since the execute portion will be even quicker.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Quests

• Meat for the Masses: Reduced the amount of meat required for this quest to 25. 
• Reeking of Foul Play: You now only need to rescue two groups of prisoners, and the events will respawn faster. 
• Scholarly Savage: Reduced the page count required to complete the secondary condition to 10.

blessed patch note

rafaelcsmaia wrote: »

So no changes in the abysmal grind for jewelry mats? The raw pieces will keep at the same rate as refined armor tempers? Wow, just wow.

Yup, that's what got me, too. After all the feedback from the forums regarding the availability of raw materials, the rate of refined materials, how grindy the craft was, and the request that they separate out the jewelery nodes from regular ore nodes... and after all that feedback.. what they "fix" are various sources for traits? I'm just speechless... I give up. Thanks, ZOS for listening to your player feedback from the forums. /sarcasm off

And thanks SO much for the QoL improvements for console.

Daus wrote: »

And like that, Bloodthirsty is useless. Oh well

Not surprised. Look at everything they've ever adjusted - I mean, there are several options between 10 and 20% ,yet they skipped over them all on their way to 10 lol. Maybe they will adjust again before live, but if not we can just put it in the pile of 'adjustments' they've made in the past where something went from OP to useless and was never seen again.

Apherius wrote: »

Crystal blast is so much more useful ! Wow, i can not wait to spam it while my twillight tormentor is doing 1K damage every 4 secondes ... and I will probably use the Charged atronach too, thank to the 70% increased health ! what a useful change. If i want to push 68K dps on dummy I will also need to use the Unstable wall of element

Hum, I will probably use 7 invigorating on my armor, but i wonder which trait i should use for my jewelry ? Triune, protective or bloothirsty ?

Now please excuse me,I have to choose which Impulse morph I'm going to use.

This game is so well balanced.

LOL this post is gold. Though I recognize they're doing a legit effort to try and buff the least used morphs.

Daus wrote: »

And like that, Bloodthirsty is useless. Oh well

Yep, I was going to use it on both rings but not now. Doubt I'll use it at all now unless they bump it up to 15%.

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Theres three scenarios, one being that all use regular traits, so the group damage will remain constant until execute and then increase due to the normal execute mechanics. Second is that all use full bloodthirsty. In this case, you own DPS will decline due to the shorter execute phase, but the group dps is the HIGHEST because the boss dies faster overall.

Doesn't make sense to you? I can imagine. Last scenario is that only you use three bloodthirsty. In this case, your own DPS is higher, but the group will still be lower than a full group of bloodthirsty becasue the boss dies slower than before. Your thought of diminishing returns is true to a sense, but bloodthirsty still shortens the fight, which in turns leads to higher group dps. Let me show you a calculation that is accurate and applicable to a trial scenario, because we tested it in a group scenario on a centurion dummy:



I'll let you figure it out yourself, if you think about it a second you should be able to get it.

TL;DR: Bloodthirsty was stronger than arcane or robust even if the full group used it and still will be best for damage IN MANY SCENARIOS, especially in fights where the execute is the hardest part of a trial and you want it to end fast.

Dont try and tell me that I should shut up, because this is how you get yourself burned fast. @JinMori

@WrathOfInnos , could also be interesting for you to see

EDIT: Corrected a minor error with group and own damage.