Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
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Morgha_Kul wrote: »I agree, Vampirism (and Lycanthropy) are supposed to be CURSES. There should be a price to pay for the added power, or it's not a curse.
The reason is that in both cases, the character is forced to become a predator. In the case of Vampires, they're still in control of it, feeding when they choose to, and suffering ill effects if they don't. Werebeasts suffer from a lack of control, a bloodlust that causes them to act without their own choice.
In BOTH cases, because they're predators, they're avoided or hunted by their prey. Vampires have the disadvantage that their curse is obvious. Werewolves can pass easily when not in wolf form, but would be readily identified when they are.
My solution is simply to give each type of predator a requirement to feed.
Vampires who don't feed, suffer greater and greater disability until they really have no choice.
Werebeasts who don't feed will lose control and attack anything they might feed on, without the player's control.
Feeding would prevent these outcomes.
Now, I do get it. Players want the power without the cost. They want the easy mode. However, I think that it's more important to stay consistent with the lore of the setting. Players who maintain their feeding will not have any change to their gameplay. It's only those who don't who would suffer.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
Morgha_Kul wrote: »I agree, Vampirism (and Lycanthropy) are supposed to be CURSES. There should be a price to pay for the added power, or it's not a curse.
The reason is that in both cases, the character is forced to become a predator. In the case of Vampires, they're still in control of it, feeding when they choose to, and suffering ill effects if they don't. Werebeasts suffer from a lack of control, a bloodlust that causes them to act without their own choice.
In BOTH cases, because they're predators, they're avoided or hunted by their prey. Vampires have the disadvantage that their curse is obvious. Werewolves can pass easily when not in wolf form, but would be readily identified when they are.
My solution is simply to give each type of predator a requirement to feed.
Vampires who don't feed, suffer greater and greater disability until they really have no choice.
Werebeasts who don't feed will lose control and attack anything they might feed on, without the player's control.
Feeding would prevent these outcomes.
Now, I do get it. Players want the power without the cost. They want the easy mode. However, I think that it's more important to stay consistent with the lore of the setting. Players who maintain their feeding will not have any change to their gameplay. It's only those who don't who would suffer.
This is very similar to my original post and it is a very good suggestion. What I think is important is that we discuss this in a deeper manner to figure out a way to satisfy the player base while implementing some cost.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Goes against ESO Lore . ESO Lore is different from ES Lore . This strain of vampirism in ESO can not be hidden like in ES games . So we get all perks for always being ugly .
Also we are all The Vestiges . We are not regular vampires . So we get all the perks . An all the Ugly .
Souce: The Forums
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Goes against ESO Lore . ESO Lore is different from ES Lore . This strain of vampirism in ESO can not be hidden like in ES games . So we get all perks for always being ugly .
Also we are all The Vestiges . We are not regular vampires . So we get all the perks . An all the Ugly .
Souce: The Forums
I quoted ESO lore in the OP and it is contrary to how the system works in the game.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Goes against ESO Lore . ESO Lore is different from ES Lore . This strain of vampirism in ESO can not be hidden like in ES games . So we get all perks for always being ugly .
Also we are all The Vestiges . We are not regular vampires . So we get all the perks . An all the Ugly .
Souce: The Forums
I quoted ESO lore in the OP and it is contrary to how the system works in the game.
No . We get all the perks until someone at ZoS gives us a way to hide vampirism in the appearance tab . Give Us that , then we'll negotiate .
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Goes against ESO Lore . ESO Lore is different from ES Lore . This strain of vampirism in ESO can not be hidden like in ES games . So we get all perks for always being ugly .
Also we are all The Vestiges . We are not regular vampires . So we get all the perks . An all the Ugly .
Souce: The Forums
I quoted ESO lore in the OP and it is contrary to how the system works in the game.
No . We get all the perks until someone at ZoS gives us a way to hide vampirism in the appearance tab . Give Us that , then we'll negotiate .
On top of all of the benefits with no downsides you want to hide it also?
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Goes against ESO Lore . ESO Lore is different from ES Lore . This strain of vampirism in ESO can not be hidden like in ES games . So we get all perks for always being ugly .
Also we are all The Vestiges . We are not regular vampires . So we get all the perks . An all the Ugly .
Souce: The Forums
I quoted ESO lore in the OP and it is contrary to how the system works in the game.
starkerealm wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
You don't understand the lore, therefore, you are not qualified to assess if something does, or does not, violate existing lore.
starkerealm wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
Goes against ESO Lore . ESO Lore is different from ES Lore . This strain of vampirism in ESO can not be hidden like in ES games . So we get all perks for always being ugly .
Also we are all The Vestiges . We are not regular vampires . So we get all the perks . An all the Ugly .
Souce: The Forums
I quoted ESO lore in the OP and it is contrary to how the system works in the game.
You did not quote relevant lore in the original post.
starkerealm wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »No .
Rohamad_Ali, could you please be more specific with the reasons why you'd be against this type of change? My psychiatrist told me I need to interact with people more so I am interested in a discussion with you regarding my proposal.
It goes against Lore .
I've outlined how the lore is not being followed in the original post with sources and links to those sources. If anything, my proposed system follows the lore more closely.
You don't understand the lore, therefore, you are not qualified to assess if something does, or does not, violate existing lore.
Sorry knowledge, if you going to quote rules of arguementation as a straw man argument. You need to look up straw man argument too.
Sometimes context setting is not about authority. Someone's experience can bare reflection on their validity I'm afraid.
For example, someone who has only ever played PvE suggesting changes to PvP is an issue. As there are things they dont know.
Someone coming from WOW and day one asking for all the things they have in WOW, auction house etc, again that case would.be better made 6 months in or a year in as they under stand the game more and how things work here.
You can't think that someone who knows more or understand a topic better, or is just right is preaching at you or talking you down via authority. Sorry that's just joining dots that aren't there. And honnestly folks like me aren't trying to do that too you.
We just want to se healthy debate / discussion and respond to an OPs suggestion, get context etc if the thread is not clear.
Hope that helps clear the air a bit.
All my thoughts on Vamp are above. Agreed with part of your principle, but not your solution. Time for a poll.
But I think the point is you are by proxy stating that what you are saying is right. I.e. An argument of authority. And that people can't counter it in the discussion because of your 'lore' you quoted.
That's the irony,it's exactly what you are accusing folks of....its often not any attempt to derail but to debate in your style, which includes counter etc. Honestly I think you take peoples responses wrong.
Anyway, enough of all that, too exhausting - back to vamp chat. think about four times in this thread I've agree with you, in part. What do you think of my input on Vamp topic?