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PTS Update 18 - Feedback Thread for Templar Balance
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Feanor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Solo and small scale the non-existent mobility really shows. Of course Templars are fine if you play 16+ and have a support role. I tried playing my Argonian Healer in noCP with a group of 8. It’s not as easy as to just hit Healing Springs and the occasional BoL and watch the AP flow in. The cost increase on purify really hurt too. I also miss the old repentance.Main characters: Feanor the Believer - AD Altmer mSorc - AR 50 - Flawless Conqueror (PC EU)Idril Arnanor - AD Altmer mSorc - CP 217 - Stormproof (PC NA)Other characters:Necrophilius Killgood - DC Imperial NecromancerFearscales - AD Argonian Templar - Stormproof (healer)Draco Imperialis - AD Imperial DK (tank)Cabed Naearamarth - AD Dunmer mDKValirion Willowthorne - AD Bosmer stamBladeTuruna - AD Altmer magBladeKheled Zaram - AD Redguard stamDKKibil Nala - AD Redguard stamSorc - StormproofYavanna Kémentárí - AD Breton magWardenAzog gro-Ghâsh - EP Orc stamWardenVidar Drakenblød - DC Nord mDKMarquis de Peyrac - DC Breton mSorc - StormproofRawlith Khaj'ra - AD Khajiit stamWardenTu'waccah - AD Redguard StamplarAll chars 50 @ CP 1900+. Playing and enjoying PvP with RdK mostly on PC EU.3 -
maxjapank✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Personally, I’ve sorta quit participating in this thread. I find all of the “bring back this and that” or “remove this or that” to be unnecessary, additional noise to simpler solutions. Templars need better sustain, better dmg, and bug fixes. Especially those bug fixes. If you really want some changes, ask the Devs to add little things here and there. I also put a lot of faith in @Cinbri as I always find them to be very thoughtful in finding a balance to being too much or too less.7 -
Stibbons✭✭✭✭✭Healing is really much less now. Templar is still slow low damage turret with poor defences. Just too much nerfing.8 -
Torbschka✭✭✭✭So next patch I’ll have a choice between frost staff and two hander instead of dual wield. Wonder which one
You can go 2h instead of dual wield right, but lightning staves also need to be considered when using jabs. They also count as 2 pieces, give additional 8% damage to your jabs, shards and reflective light and also provide now improved weaving damage.
Froststaff rather would be a replacement for sword and shield and definitely is useful together with ele drain as backbar weapon, just no spellwall ultimate tough.
Just one thing here:
Asylum sword and board is super strong backbar with the other spellwall moprh, u can cast spell absorbtion for free, heal urself around 18% of your max HP and refill ur magicka. If u 1vX and there is at least 1 rang/bow, u pretty much pop this ulti and will be full magicka/health for free.1 -
DoonerSeraph✭✭✭✭Personally, I’ve sorta quit participating in this thread. I find all of the “bring back this and that” or “remove this or that” to be unnecessary, additional noise to simpler solutions. Templars need better sustain, better dmg, and bug fixes. Especially those bug fixes. If you really want some changes, ask the Devs to add little things here and there. I also put a lot of faith in @Cinbri as I always find them to be very thoughtful in finding a balance to being too much or too less.
A lot of people is asking for bringing things back because skills were actually useful, and then got nerfed to oblivion. Case in point is Repentance, and thats whats going to happen to BoL.3 -
maxjapank✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DoonerSeraph wrote: »Personally, I’ve sorta quit participating in this thread. I find all of the “bring back this and that” or “remove this or that” to be unnecessary, additional noise to simpler solutions. Templars need better sustain, better dmg, and bug fixes. Especially those bug fixes. If you really want some changes, ask the Devs to add little things here and there. I also put a lot of faith in @Cinbri as I always find them to be very thoughtful in finding a balance to being too much or too less.
A lot of people is asking for bringing things back because skills were actually useful, and then got nerfed to oblivion. Case in point is Repentance, and thats whats going to happen to BoL.
Most skills are still useful. So I disagree about “skills being nerfed to oblivion”. I think it’s being over dramatic and distracts from the discussion. I've been playing Templar since the beginning and fully aware of what nerfs have happened. And yet I’m still able to play my Templar effectively. It does need help in sustain and damage. And bug fixes.0 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
You realize the game does not revolve around PvP correct? That ignorance is what prevents this game from getting better.6 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).6 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I just want a templar that plays like this again.Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Any Orc with access to Shuffle has mobility. But I would still like to see Minor Expedition added to the Templar toolkit in a way that doesn't assume you're a zerg healer.
What do you mean we don't profit from light attack changes because we use Jabs? Don't you weave?
Why do you say stamplars aren't great in duels? Are you aware of the recent dueling tourney results from PC/NA's largest dueling guild?
Jabs are countered hard by lag, though, that's for sure.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.2 -
Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I just want a templar that plays like this again.Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Any Orc with access to Shuffle has mobility. But I would still like to see Minor Expedition added to the Templar toolkit in a way that doesn't assume you're a zerg healer.
What do you mean we don't profit from light attack changes because we use Jabs? Don't you weave?
Why do you say stamplars aren't great in duels? Are you aware of the recent dueling tourney results from PC/NA's largest dueling guild?
Jabs are countered hard by lag, though, that's for sure.
Stamplar might be strong in duels (even that is debatble if NA magicka players would finally stop trying to duel with their open world builds and would change to duel builds as well) but that doesn't help in any way in open world. These "strong" stamplars run full damage bleed builds and survive by doing high pressure, this doesn't work as soon as you are outnumbered, you simply explode against more than one opponent. You have no zerg protection, no good chances to escape from a zerg, no good mobility nor any defense tool which scales with the number of opponents. All you can do is damage and hope you have a healbot or Healing Ward spammer on your side.I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭I just want a templar that plays like this again.Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Any Orc with access to Shuffle has mobility. But I would still like to see Minor Expedition added to the Templar toolkit in a way that doesn't assume you're a zerg healer.
What do you mean we don't profit from light attack changes because we use Jabs? Don't you weave?
Why do you say stamplars aren't great in duels? Are you aware of the recent dueling tourney results from PC/NA's largest dueling guild?
Jabs are countered hard by lag, though, that's for sure.
Ofc i weave - but jabs is a channel resulting in far less light attacks compared to most other classes or do u block cancels jabs after half the duration
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90% of the NA sorcs on the pts didnt impress me at all. Now I know now why a NA guy that played on EU was suprised by the amount of strong sorcs on the EU servers. Everybody seems to compare there openworld sorc with the heavy armor mass bleeds zero sustain stamplars (and even those are quite beatable on pts). They should compare it with their Zaan pet sorc hitboxcamping in the attronach (ofc exagarated) Edited by Murador178 on April 27, 2018 5:00PM2 -
Hymzir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
Stamplars also have bad synergy with class skills and passives. This is true of all stam classes to some degree, but my experience with stam builds of other classes has been much more forgiving. If you go stamplar you kinda are channeled towards a jab build, or there really is no point in being a Stamina Based Templar. And jabs are really bad as a skill against opponents with a functional brain.
I've had much more success as a stamplar when using non jab based builds, but at that point, you need to ask, why be a Templar at all?
There are, of course, people who are very effective as Stamplars, but I get the feeling that they are strong due to their skill as a player, and are strong despite being a Stamplar. They'd be even more effective if they ran another class.
And based on Cyro population, that seems to be the general consensus shared by the majority of players. Coming across a Templar, not embedded deep inside a Zerg Ball, is rare as is. If it turns out to be a stamplar, it's more of a "once in a blue moon" type event. Stamplars just are not a thing in Cyrodiil - which is odd, since they are supposed to be so frigging powerful.
Why are all those try hards, chasing FotM builds, fielding stamwardens instead of Stamplars?
It's also worth to note, that Templars are often omitted in discussion as is, and stamplars have even less of a voice. If the class option was as strong as some seem to claim it is, then it sounds reasonable that it would also be a popular choice, and that people playing it would talk about it on the forums.
But none of that happens. Stamplars are a rare in Cyro, Templar is synonym with magicka build, and practically nobody ever opens a thread about Stamplars. So yeah, one does question the validity of this myth about Stamplars being strong...5 -
Murador178✭✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
Stamplars also have bad synergy with class skills and passives. This is true of all stam classes to some degree, but my experience with stam builds of other classes has been much more forgiving. If you go stamplar you kinda are channeled towards a jab build, or there really is no point in being a Stamina Based Templar. And jabs are really bad as a skill against opponents with a functional brain.
I've had much more success as a stamplar when using non jab based builds, but at that point, you need to ask, why be a Templar at all?
There are, of course, people who are very effective as Stamplars, but I get the feeling that they are strong due to their skill as a player, and are strong despite being a Stamplar. They'd be even more effective if they ran another class.
And based on Cyro population, that seems to be the general consensus shared by the majority of players. Coming across a Templar, not embedded deep inside a Zerg Ball, is rare as is. If it turns out to be a stamplar, it's more of a "once in a blue moon" type event. Stamplars just are not a thing in Cyrodiil - which is odd, since they are supposed to be so frigging powerful.
Why are all those try hards, chasing FotM builds, fielding stamwardens instead of Stamplars?
It's also worth to note, that Templars are often omitted in discussion as is, and stamplars have even less of a voice. If the class option was as strong as some seem to claim it is, then it sounds reasonable that it would also be a popular choice, and that people playing it would talk about it on the forums.
But none of that happens. Stamplars are a rare in Cyro, Templar is synonym with magicka build, and practically nobody ever opens a thread about Stamplars. So yeah, one does question the validity of this myth about Stamplars being strong...
Stamplar got some nice dps(if jabs work) and excel at killing BAD players VERY fast in a duel - since 90% of the eso players are bad geared/ dont know what they are doing - this results in these players thinking stamplar is strong. And ofc the few stamplars sticking with the class normally know what they do. Its rly funny how there are like 500 mag sorcs/ stamblades/dks crying in the forums but there is not a single stamplar thread
(I literally cant find one - everything about templar is always magplar).
Its not because stamplar is strong its just that the amount of stamplars compared to these classes is very low.
So if stam dk doesnt get a buff the next patches we may see nobody crying about stam dk then aswell Edited by Murador178 on April 27, 2018 5:16PM5 -
Mr_Nobody✭✭✭✭✭You just need to give up. Stay with the flow. Hope they going to buff something but dont be naive and dont expect much. They clearly dont have competent data analysts nor they play anything else besides healbots and zerg blobs. I must be 250% correct else we would not be in the place we currently are.7 -
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Makes total sense as Templars are sun-blessed warriors of light, and light is soooooo darn slow.Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
*ding*
Huh, might be fun to have a toggle of some kind to switch between speed and power.
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✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »
Makes total sense as Templars are sun-blessed warriors of light, and light is soooooo darn slow.Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
*ding*
Huh, might be fun to have a toggle of some kind to switch between speed and power.
IMO this is being solved by the new Psijic mobility skill. The only skill I can replace on my bar is Channeled Focus, so I will be trading raw survivability for escape survivability plus a bit of extra burst potential. It's gonna be gewd.0 -
casparian✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »
Makes total sense as Templars are sun-blessed warriors of light, and light is soooooo darn slow.Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
*ding*
Huh, might be fun to have a toggle of some kind to switch between speed and power.
IMO this is being solved by the new Psijic mobility skill. The only skill I can replace on my bar is Channeled Focus, so I will be trading raw survivability for escape survivability plus a bit of extra burst potential. It's gonna be gewd.
I thought about that, but then I would also be losing 480 mag recovery that I really need. Replacing that with jewelry glyphs or set choices more than negates the extra burst potential from Minor Force.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Psijic skill line just doesn't synergize with our skill line at all.7-day PVP campaign regular 2016-2019, Flawless Conqueror. MagDK/stamplar/stamwarden/mageblade. Requiem, Legend, Knights of Daggerfall. Currently retired from the wars; waiting on performance improvements.4 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »
Makes total sense as Templars are sun-blessed warriors of light, and light is soooooo darn slow.Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
*ding*
Huh, might be fun to have a toggle of some kind to switch between speed and power.
IMO this is being solved by the new Psijic mobility skill. The only skill I can replace on my bar is Channeled Focus, so I will be trading raw survivability for escape survivability plus a bit of extra burst potential. It's gonna be gewd.
I thought about that, but then I would also be losing 480 mag recovery that I really need. Replacing that with jewelry glyphs or set choices more than negates the extra burst potential from Minor Force.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Psijic skill line just doesn't synergize with our skill line at all.
But you also get a neat little damage shield just for block-cancelling and a neat little damage proc just for casting (who doesn't love extra flashies?)
The magicka recovery on Focus is not enough to keep it on my bar, it's only ~900 magicka gained in most situations.Edited by Solariken on April 28, 2018 1:20PM0 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭On PTS time freeze on magicka templar is truly awesome along with channeled accelaration. I'm kinda testing a build
with solar barage and with all the snares templar has Time Freeze is really usefull.. the instant cast morph. Testing with War Maiden and impregnable/wizard riposte with Skoria at the moment. with Inferno staff front bar and onehand/shield back bar. Solar barrage gives you the empower buff pretty easily too the only downside is you have to cast it..I'm sure magicka templar will be in a better state dps wise this patch in pvp but probably still worst than other classes but much better.
Skills front bar : Puncturing Sweep-Vampire's bane/Reflective Light-Channeled Acceleration-Radiant Oppression-Purifying Light. Ulti: Empowering Sweep or Undo.
Back bar : Channeled Focus-Time Freeze-Solar Barrage-Ritual of Retribution-Honor the Dead. Ult : Shooting Star.
37k magicka 2k+ recovery. spell damage is a bit low could get 3k with cyrodiil buffs.
Solar Barrage with empower works really well with your Inferno staff light attacks between each Puncturing sweeps.
I'm sure someone could come up with better gear choice etc.
Edited by Revokus on April 30, 2018 12:57AMPlaying since January 23, 20160 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »
Makes total sense as Templars are sun-blessed warriors of light, and light is soooooo darn slow.Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
*ding*
Huh, might be fun to have a toggle of some kind to switch between speed and power.
IMO this is being solved by the new Psijic mobility skill. The only skill I can replace on my bar is Channeled Focus, so I will be trading raw survivability for escape survivability plus a bit of extra burst potential. It's gonna be gewd.
I thought about that, but then I would also be losing 480 mag recovery that I really need. Replacing that with jewelry glyphs or set choices more than negates the extra burst potential from Minor Force.
The more I think about it, the more I think the Psijic skill line just doesn't synergize with our skill line at all.
But you also get a beat little damage shield just for block-cancelling and a neat little damage proc just for casting (who doesn't love extra flashies?)
The magicka recovery on Focus is not enough to keep it on my bar, it's only ~900 magicka gained in most situations.
It's armor though. Honestly, imbued weapons might be the only fit. Because you can replace jabs knowing you'll gain more DMG.
Which kinda sucks because you want to fit accelerate, but at 3 seconds I'd rather dodge roll with the bow.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭In its current state, Accelerate is garbage.
3 secs of Major Expedition is pretty much useless and can't fix our mobility problem.
Minor Force is a DPS loss compared to slotting another DPS skill.
Neither buff is worth the skill slot. Both buffs together are still not worth the skill slot. It's just a trash skill doomed to be unused filler for the skill line. It's a real shame because a longer Major Expedition (at least 6 secs, like other classes) would give Templars some mobility, and an AOE "time vortex" DOT centered on the caster and it would actually make it a usable skill.1 -
Revokus✭✭✭✭✭SidewalkChalk5 wrote: »In its current state, Accelerate is garbage.
3 secs of Major Expedition is pretty much useless and can't fix our mobility problem.
Minor Force is a DPS loss compared to slotting another DPS skill.
Neither buff is worth the skill slot. Both buffs together are still not worth the skill slot. It's just a trash skill doomed to be unused filler for the skill line. It's a real shame because a longer Major Expedition (at least 6 secs, like other classes) would give Templars some mobility, and an AOE "time vortex" DOT centered on the caster and it would actually make it a usable skill.
the morph channeled accelaration gives you 9 sec of major expedition and 36 sec of minor force but has a 1.3 sec cast time. And you get major protection while casting any psjiic skills.Edited by Revokus on April 28, 2018 5:00AMPlaying since January 23, 20160 -
Gnortranermara✭✭✭✭✭
✭I know what it does. And the last thing Templars need is another cast time.12 -
templesus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Murador178 wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
Stamplars also have bad synergy with class skills and passives. This is true of all stam classes to some degree, but my experience with stam builds of other classes has been much more forgiving. If you go stamplar you kinda are channeled towards a jab build, or there really is no point in being a Stamina Based Templar. And jabs are really bad as a skill against opponents with a functional brain.
I've had much more success as a stamplar when using non jab based builds, but at that point, you need to ask, why be a Templar at all?
There are, of course, people who are very effective as Stamplars, but I get the feeling that they are strong due to their skill as a player, and are strong despite being a Stamplar. They'd be even more effective if they ran another class.
And based on Cyro population, that seems to be the general consensus shared by the majority of players. Coming across a Templar, not embedded deep inside a Zerg Ball, is rare as is. If it turns out to be a stamplar, it's more of a "once in a blue moon" type event. Stamplars just are not a thing in Cyrodiil - which is odd, since they are supposed to be so frigging powerful.
Why are all those try hards, chasing FotM builds, fielding stamwardens instead of Stamplars?
It's also worth to note, that Templars are often omitted in discussion as is, and stamplars have even less of a voice. If the class option was as strong as some seem to claim it is, then it sounds reasonable that it would also be a popular choice, and that people playing it would talk about it on the forums.
But none of that happens. Stamplars are a rare in Cyro, Templar is synonym with magicka build, and practically nobody ever opens a thread about Stamplars. So yeah, one does question the validity of this myth about Stamplars being strong...
Stamplar got some nice dps(if jabs work) and excel at killing BAD players VERY fast in a duel - since 90% of the eso players are bad geared/ dont know what they are doing - this results in these players thinking stamplar is strong. And ofc the few stamplars sticking with the class normally know what they do. Its rly funny how there are like 500 mag sorcs/ stamblades/dks crying in the forums but there is not a single stamplar thread (I literally cant find one - everything about templar is always magplar).
Its not because stamplar is strong its just that the amount of stamplars compared to these classes is very low.
So if stam dk doesnt get a buff the next patches we may see nobody crying about stam dk then aswell
Look at my posts. I’ve made countless stamplar posts campaigning for buffs. We just don’t get love.5 -
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✭Murador178 wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
Stamplars also have bad synergy with class skills and passives. This is true of all stam classes to some degree, but my experience with stam builds of other classes has been much more forgiving. If you go stamplar you kinda are channeled towards a jab build, or there really is no point in being a Stamina Based Templar. And jabs are really bad as a skill against opponents with a functional brain.
I've had much more success as a stamplar when using non jab based builds, but at that point, you need to ask, why be a Templar at all?
There are, of course, people who are very effective as Stamplars, but I get the feeling that they are strong due to their skill as a player, and are strong despite being a Stamplar. They'd be even more effective if they ran another class.
And based on Cyro population, that seems to be the general consensus shared by the majority of players. Coming across a Templar, not embedded deep inside a Zerg Ball, is rare as is. If it turns out to be a stamplar, it's more of a "once in a blue moon" type event. Stamplars just are not a thing in Cyrodiil - which is odd, since they are supposed to be so frigging powerful.
Why are all those try hards, chasing FotM builds, fielding stamwardens instead of Stamplars?
It's also worth to note, that Templars are often omitted in discussion as is, and stamplars have even less of a voice. If the class option was as strong as some seem to claim it is, then it sounds reasonable that it would also be a popular choice, and that people playing it would talk about it on the forums.
But none of that happens. Stamplars are a rare in Cyro, Templar is synonym with magicka build, and practically nobody ever opens a thread about Stamplars. So yeah, one does question the validity of this myth about Stamplars being strong...
Stamplar got some nice dps(if jabs work) and excel at killing BAD players VERY fast in a duel - since 90% of the eso players are bad geared/ dont know what they are doing - this results in these players thinking stamplar is strong. And ofc the few stamplars sticking with the class normally know what they do. Its rly funny how there are like 500 mag sorcs/ stamblades/dks crying in the forums but there is not a single stamplar thread (I literally cant find one - everything about templar is always magplar).
Its not because stamplar is strong its just that the amount of stamplars compared to these classes is very low.
So if stam dk doesnt get a buff the next patches we may see nobody crying about stam dk then aswell
Look at my posts. I’ve made countless stamplar posts campaigning for buffs. We just don’t get love.
I like to add, I feel i am pretty vocal too. Not always comprehesable, logic or sane... but vocal.
... and since Joy is always providing so much good and well writen feedback to magplars and alot problems for stamplars overlap/ are shared it should be enough to hijack a little part of these threads for stamplar issues. Or am i wrong?
Do you feel harrassed by stamplar feedback in your threads, @Joy_Division?Edited by Elsterchen on April 28, 2018 9:57AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Elsterchen wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »Murador178 wrote: »Can people quit referring to “Magplar” as “Templar” as if we stamplars do not exist. That is part of the reason we never get attentions in these patches and always get blanket nerfed by magplar. Please and thank you.
Stamplars don't need attention because they are straight cancer in pvp. Next question?
Stamplar are terrible for solo PvP - they got zero mobility - dont get buffed this patch while almost everything else gets buffed They dont profit like most classes from 2h change or from the light attack change - real stamplars use jabs.
They arent even great in duels. Jabs dont even work in lag.
I dont know where that stamplar are great myth is from. I feel like stamplar is the least represented class on the forums(and no I dont main stamplar).
Yeah.. I've been wondering about that one too. I've played both stam and mag Templars plenty, and they both have issues, different issues and shared ones. Both have problems with resources, both suffer from the banality of the "build your house" design philosophy, and both lack mobility.
Stamplars also have bad synergy with class skills and passives. This is true of all stam classes to some degree, but my experience with stam builds of other classes has been much more forgiving. If you go stamplar you kinda are channeled towards a jab build, or there really is no point in being a Stamina Based Templar. And jabs are really bad as a skill against opponents with a functional brain.
I've had much more success as a stamplar when using non jab based builds, but at that point, you need to ask, why be a Templar at all?
There are, of course, people who are very effective as Stamplars, but I get the feeling that they are strong due to their skill as a player, and are strong despite being a Stamplar. They'd be even more effective if they ran another class.
And based on Cyro population, that seems to be the general consensus shared by the majority of players. Coming across a Templar, not embedded deep inside a Zerg Ball, is rare as is. If it turns out to be a stamplar, it's more of a "once in a blue moon" type event. Stamplars just are not a thing in Cyrodiil - which is odd, since they are supposed to be so frigging powerful.
Why are all those try hards, chasing FotM builds, fielding stamwardens instead of Stamplars?
It's also worth to note, that Templars are often omitted in discussion as is, and stamplars have even less of a voice. If the class option was as strong as some seem to claim it is, then it sounds reasonable that it would also be a popular choice, and that people playing it would talk about it on the forums.
But none of that happens. Stamplars are a rare in Cyro, Templar is synonym with magicka build, and practically nobody ever opens a thread about Stamplars. So yeah, one does question the validity of this myth about Stamplars being strong...
Stamplar got some nice dps(if jabs work) and excel at killing BAD players VERY fast in a duel - since 90% of the eso players are bad geared/ dont know what they are doing - this results in these players thinking stamplar is strong. And ofc the few stamplars sticking with the class normally know what they do. Its rly funny how there are like 500 mag sorcs/ stamblades/dks crying in the forums but there is not a single stamplar thread (I literally cant find one - everything about templar is always magplar).
Its not because stamplar is strong its just that the amount of stamplars compared to these classes is very low.
So if stam dk doesnt get a buff the next patches we may see nobody crying about stam dk then aswell
Look at my posts. I’ve made countless stamplar posts campaigning for buffs. We just don’t get love.
I like to add, I feel i am pretty vocal too. Not always comprehesable, logic or sane... but vocal.
... and since Joy is always providing so much good and well writen feedback to magplars and alot problems for stamplars overlap/ are shared it should be enough to hijack a little part of these threads for stamplar issues. Or am i wrong?
Do you feel harrassed by stamplar feedback in your threads, @Joy_Division?
LOL no!
Thee only reason I'm not particularly vocal about them is I don't play that spec and I don't want to provide incorrect or misleading suggestions. Of course, not everybody is so restrained...Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.6 -
Darrett✭✭✭✭One thing I haven’t seen touched on is the BoL change as it pertains to the cast time.
From a PvE perspective, I like heals with cast times. It means you have to anticipate both positioning and damage levels. Instant heals reduce the skill curve by their nature and are generally inefficient because of their emergency nature.
As we already have an emergency heal, I’m not a big fan of the idea of removing the cast time. I’d prefer if they improve the skill in other ways rather than take the easiest possible route.
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