PTS Update 18 - Feedback Thread for Templar Balance

BohnT

Checkmath wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

How about using hulking draugr, since it buffs damage and healing and mostly also increases the damage of might of the light. I think it fits in a bit better than automaton.

More often than not there is no space to use HD.
Bone pirate gives you 2k less stamina but 2 much needed regen boni and most other sets win out damage wise or utility wise.

I'm really not a fan of automaton as you don't get any buffs to your healing which is always a critical point with stamplar.
Also I'm not a fan of HD because in most 1v1 situations you won't reach the PotL cap even without the extra 6k damage.
From my experience you deal more damage overall and with PotL if you choose another set over HD.

bone pirates 5th stamina bonus doesnt seem to work at all. there are several threads about it: the 2k stam neither increase your damage nor your healing. thats what several players already stated. if this is true, bone pirate atm is pretty garbage only providing 150 stam recovery as a 5th bonus...

Okay saw Saiddens Post about it. Will do Tests aswell as soon as possible

casparian

Runefang wrote: »

If they don't make any changes I won't be too displeased, I'm seeing a 3-4k dps increase on my ranged magplar.

That's pretty underwhelming TBH. Every magixka class is seeing a DPS increase due to the light attack changes. A 4k increase will still leave us at or near the bottom of the pack.

technohic

casparian wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

If they don't make any changes I won't be too displeased, I'm seeing a 3-4k dps increase on my ranged magplar.

That's pretty underwhelming TBH. Every magixka class is seeing a DPS increase due to the light attack changes. A 4k increase will still leave us at or near the bottom of the pack.

Saw where a magblade was hitting 75k. Any Templars sniffing that?

Mr_Nobody

technohic wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

If they don't make any changes I won't be too displeased, I'm seeing a 3-4k dps increase on my ranged magplar.

That's pretty underwhelming TBH. Every magixka class is seeing a DPS increase due to the light attack changes. A 4k increase will still leave us at or near the bottom of the pack.

Saw where a magblade was hitting 75k. Any Templars sniffing that?

What do you mean? You are supposed to only spam single target heals or 8k magicka cost aoe ones for your 20 man grp.

Nothing else.

technohic

It feels to me like the new skill line will make it to where the classes can homogonize a bit. I am assuming since force pulse out dps jabs/sweeps, that the new imbue weapon will?

jediprime74

templesus wrote: »

Lemme guess, starts with an r and ends with an r...

Joy_Division wrote: »

Stamplar does seem rather ravaged this patch, does it not? Good Luck Minno!

First rule of fight club...

I swear, I am just paranoid about this sort of thing at this point... If I don't say the name they won't nerf it...maybe...hopefully...

jediprime74

technohic wrote: »

I 2h and bow as I like keeping a range option. With 5 hunding 4 night mother embrace 2 bloodspawn. I have several load outs though but I’ve favored that. If no ranged necessary; I like 1h shield in place of bow for bash defile and will run cowards as a decent sustain set.

Ranged? I thought that was what javelin was for? It's almost a spammable.

technohic

jediprime74 wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

I 2h and bow as I like keeping a range option. With 5 hunding 4 night mother embrace 2 bloodspawn. I have several load outs though but I’ve favored that. If no ranged necessary; I like 1h shield in place of bow for bash defile and will run cowards as a decent sustain set.

Ranged? I thought that was what javelin was for? It's almost a spammable.

I guess so. I think I just love to snipe>POTL>PI>javelin. Always amazed how many players dies by the time they get up like that.

Ragnaroek93

BohnT wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

How about using hulking draugr, since it buffs damage and healing and mostly also increases the damage of might of the light. I think it fits in a bit better than automaton.

More often than not there is no space to use HD.
Bone pirate gives you 2k less stamina but 2 much needed regen boni and most other sets win out damage wise or utility wise.

I'm really not a fan of automaton as you don't get any buffs to your healing which is always a critical point with stamplar.
Also I'm not a fan of HD because in most 1v1 situations you won't reach the PotL cap even without the extra 6k damage.
From my experience you deal more damage overall and with PotL if you choose another set over HD.

bone pirates 5th stamina bonus doesnt seem to work at all. there are several threads about it: the 2k stam neither increase your damage nor your healing. thats what several players already stated. if this is true, bone pirate atm is pretty garbage only providing 150 stam recovery as a 5th bonus...

Okay saw Saiddens Post about it. Will do Tests aswell as soon as possible

Tested that 10 minutes ago. It's really bugged...

BohnT

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

How about using hulking draugr, since it buffs damage and healing and mostly also increases the damage of might of the light. I think it fits in a bit better than automaton.

More often than not there is no space to use HD.
Bone pirate gives you 2k less stamina but 2 much needed regen boni and most other sets win out damage wise or utility wise.

I'm really not a fan of automaton as you don't get any buffs to your healing which is always a critical point with stamplar.
Also I'm not a fan of HD because in most 1v1 situations you won't reach the PotL cap even without the extra 6k damage.
From my experience you deal more damage overall and with PotL if you choose another set over HD.

bone pirates 5th stamina bonus doesnt seem to work at all. there are several threads about it: the 2k stam neither increase your damage nor your healing. thats what several players already stated. if this is true, bone pirate atm is pretty garbage only providing 150 stam recovery as a 5th bonus...

Okay saw Saiddens Post about it. Will do Tests aswell as soon as possible

Tested that 10 minutes ago. It's really bugged...

yes tested as well, posted all resuslts in his post in the bug section.

Ragnaroek93

BohnT wrote: »

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

Checkmath wrote: »

How about using hulking draugr, since it buffs damage and healing and mostly also increases the damage of might of the light. I think it fits in a bit better than automaton.

More often than not there is no space to use HD.
Bone pirate gives you 2k less stamina but 2 much needed regen boni and most other sets win out damage wise or utility wise.

I'm really not a fan of automaton as you don't get any buffs to your healing which is always a critical point with stamplar.
Also I'm not a fan of HD because in most 1v1 situations you won't reach the PotL cap even without the extra 6k damage.
From my experience you deal more damage overall and with PotL if you choose another set over HD.

bone pirates 5th stamina bonus doesnt seem to work at all. there are several threads about it: the 2k stam neither increase your damage nor your healing. thats what several players already stated. if this is true, bone pirate atm is pretty garbage only providing 150 stam recovery as a 5th bonus...

Okay saw Saiddens Post about it. Will do Tests aswell as soon as possible

Tested that 10 minutes ago. It's really bugged...

yes tested as well, posted all resuslts in his post in the bug section.

That feel when you realise that you used a useless set for months LUL

Khivas_Carrick

Why isn't Biting Jabs being buffed?

Like what the *** ZoS?

And can we get some built in resource management please? lol Hell, tbh I'd even take that one suggestion of having a damage shield from using Jabs, just please, give us Stamplars some love.

Khivas_Carrick

Jonno wrote: »

Power of The Light
the explosion of this ability often fails to explode and deal damage in groups with high dps,
the higher the group dps the less explosions happen

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Which is why ages ago I suggested that this move be changed to work as a DoT that adds breach and fracture, but no one listened.

I'll touch on more of these later, including more constructive feedback outside of what I've already posted.

Minno

Khivas_Carrick wrote: »

Jonno wrote: »

Power of The Light
the explosion of this ability often fails to explode and deal damage in groups with high dps,
the higher the group dps the less explosions happen

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Which is why ages ago I suggested that this move be changed to work as a DoT that adds breach and fracture, but no one listened.

I'll touch on more of these later, including more constructive feedback outside of what I've already posted.

Id take a dot with a strong debuff over the 6s burst that only gives 1k if you can't unload a full resource bar into the enemy.

POTL kinda touches on that aspect, and stamplar is lucky they have access to bleeds, otherwise POTL would have been ALOT worse to work with. Still crappy to wait for 6 seconds while also trying to DPS whereas other classes only have to meet one mechanic to unlock a higher burst number than POTL.

GallantGuardian

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

casparian

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

Last week Gina said that combat balance changes would come out this week at the earliest. I knew people would forget about that part.

GallantGuardian

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

Last week Gina said that combat balance changes would come out this week at the earliest. I knew people would forget about that part.

Im not holding my breath last year before morrowind they said templars would be getting a major rework in the next patch cycle we’ve had about 4 patch cycles since that announcement....

Like i said not holding my breath ..im just gonna figure this is more of the same

casparian

GallantGuardian wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

Last week Gina said that combat balance changes would come out this week at the earliest. I knew people would forget about that part.

Im not holding my breath last year before morrowind they said templars would be getting a major rework in the next patch cycle we’ve had about 4 patch cycles since that announcement....

Like i said not holding my breath ..im just gonna figure this is more of the same

I agree with you on that. At best I expect templars might get an interesting buff in the next patch (at the end of the summer), but I'm not confident enough that we'll get one (or that it will be enough of a buff) to keep playing solo magplar.

RIP the dream, back to magblade.

GallantGuardian

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

Last week Gina said that combat balance changes would come out this week at the earliest. I knew people would forget about that part.

Im not holding my breath last year before morrowind they said templars would be getting a major rework in the next patch cycle we’ve had about 4 patch cycles since that announcement....

Like i said not holding my breath ..im just gonna figure this is more of the same

I agree with you on that. At best I expect templars might get an interesting buff in the next patch (at the end of the summer), but I'm not confident enough that we'll get one (or that it will be enough of a buff) to keep playing solo magplar.

RIP the dream, back to magblade.

Im at the point where im just gonna get my warden all the skill points ive put on my templar tank...and just give up

technohic

I would like to say I am bummed out by no real changes, but that would be an upgrade from just expecting nothing.

Minno

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

Last week Gina said that combat balance changes would come out this week at the earliest. I knew people would forget about that part.

Im not holding my breath last year before morrowind they said templars would be getting a major rework in the next patch cycle we’ve had about 4 patch cycles since that announcement....

Like i said not holding my breath ..im just gonna figure this is more of the same

I agree with you on that. At best I expect templars might get an interesting buff in the next patch (at the end of the summer), but I'm not confident enough that we'll get one (or that it will be enough of a buff) to keep playing solo magplar.

RIP the dream, back to magblade.

Glad I swapped to stamplar lol.

Though the light/heavy attack DMG reduced was weird to see. Basically it sums up to this:

Players: "we don't see a point to empower. No all classes can work with it mechanically, especially templars stuck in channels with buggy animations"

zos: "ok we hear that!" ::nerfs LA/HA base dmg while keeping empower buff the same:: "that should help make empower better; you welcome"


lol

danno8

Minno wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

Last week Gina said that combat balance changes would come out this week at the earliest. I knew people would forget about that part.

Im not holding my breath last year before morrowind they said templars would be getting a major rework in the next patch cycle we’ve had about 4 patch cycles since that announcement....

Like i said not holding my breath ..im just gonna figure this is more of the same

I agree with you on that. At best I expect templars might get an interesting buff in the next patch (at the end of the summer), but I'm not confident enough that we'll get one (or that it will be enough of a buff) to keep playing solo magplar.

RIP the dream, back to magblade.

Glad I swapped to stamplar lol.

Though the light/heavy attack DMG reduced was weird to see. Basically it sums up to this:

Players: "we don't see a point to empower. No all classes can work with it mechanically, especially templars stuck in channels with buggy animations"

zos: "ok we hear that!" ::nerfs LA/HA base dmg while keeping empower buff the same:: "that should help make empower better; you welcome"


lol

Yes, you'd think they would buff Empower to 50 or 60% then to keep the Empowered light attacks worthwhile. Now Empower is even worse since the buff % is the same, but the base LA is lower, so the Empowered portion is lower.

This change just made what little hope there was for Solar Barrage (that cast time was still a problem) vanish.

Minno

danno8 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

GallantGuardian wrote: »

Cool so last week they said they were gonna make more changes and that last weeks pts was about buffs... this week nothing was changed...and they are still not listening or caring really.. ill give up now this patch note cycle it obvious they werent serious about giving ALL classes better tanking options...

Last week Gina said that combat balance changes would come out this week at the earliest. I knew people would forget about that part.

Im not holding my breath last year before morrowind they said templars would be getting a major rework in the next patch cycle we’ve had about 4 patch cycles since that announcement....

Like i said not holding my breath ..im just gonna figure this is more of the same

I agree with you on that. At best I expect templars might get an interesting buff in the next patch (at the end of the summer), but I'm not confident enough that we'll get one (or that it will be enough of a buff) to keep playing solo magplar.

RIP the dream, back to magblade.

Glad I swapped to stamplar lol.

Though the light/heavy attack DMG reduced was weird to see. Basically it sums up to this:

Players: "we don't see a point to empower. No all classes can work with it mechanically, especially templars stuck in channels with buggy animations"

zos: "ok we hear that!" ::nerfs LA/HA base dmg while keeping empower buff the same:: "that should help make empower better; you welcome"


lol

Yes, you'd think they would buff Empower to 50 or 60% then to keep the Empowered light attacks worthwhile. Now Empower is even worse since the buff % is the same, but the base LA is lower, so the Empowered portion is lower.

This change just made what little hope there was for Solar Barrage (that cast time was still a problem) vanish.

I agree. really weird change, unless the first two weeks of PTS changes were things that were seen/mentioned during the playthrough sessions they had in the office with streamers.

Otherwise I agree with the change, it makes skills that rely on the empower feel less impactful. Thus magplar takes another unintended nerf (assuming we go live without any changes by PTS found bug fixes).

casparian

@Minno I still enjoy stamplar a lot, and will continue to play it. Everyone seems to think it's either cancerously overpowered or laughably underwhelming, but it's a solid class overall.

Minno

casparian wrote: »

@Minno I still enjoy stamplar a lot, and will continue to play it. Everyone seems to think it's either cancerously overpowered or laughably underwhelming, but it's a solid class overall.

I am starting to feel that way after a few set swaps. Ill post my feedback once I get a few weeks into the playstyle.

Bonzodog01

Hrm, over on live I have an open world stamplar running 5 Hundings, 4 Ashen Grip (yeah, nobody saw THAT one coming.....), 3 agility with wep damage glyphs. 34K stam, 2906 WD, 1944 Stam recovery, Serpent mundus. All divines. Its a pretty decent build.

technohic

casparian wrote: »

@Minno I still enjoy stamplar a lot, and will continue to play it. Everyone seems to think it's either cancerously overpowered or laughably underwhelming, but it's a solid class overall.

I think the bleed builds have everyone associating that with being a stamplar thing. I have to admit, I should try a build for that.

Minno

technohic wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

@Minno I still enjoy stamplar a lot, and will continue to play it. Everyone seems to think it's either cancerously overpowered or laughably underwhelming, but it's a solid class overall.

I think the bleed builds have everyone associating that with being a stamplar thing. I have to admit, I should try a build for that.

and oddly enough, I rolled only blood craze for my only bleed lol. Figured the reason i ran away from magplar was hating having to apply 500 buffs/debuffs/dots and going to a stamplar build trying to do the same thing but with bleeds felt cringy lol.

im liking my "bow single target burst bar swap to melee when they get close" playstyle. Very much Oblivion Monk Roleplay lol

Cinbri

Idk why forum so mad about today patch. No changes today might mean that zos considering and test them, and might introduce it next week with eu transfer, giving eu people at least something to new to test. And I very glad regarding fixed new bug of purifying light, while it sounds small, this bug would hurt skill a lot if it wouldn't be fixed before live, leaving us to wait months for fix again.

templesus

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

Hrm, over on live I have an open world stamplar running 5 Hundings, 4 Ashen Grip (yeah, nobody saw THAT one coming.....), 3 agility with wep damage glyphs. 34K stam, 2906 WD, 1944 Stam recovery, Serpent mundus. All divines. Its a pretty decent build.

I'm sorry but that build sounds like it won't perform well in anything outside of zerging.