Magblade dominating 70.9k DPS parse on PTS...!! (updated)

RoyJade · April 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

This is why the way to fix 70k self buffed parses is fixing this combo. I don't know if i am explaining my point as i intend here, magNBs are going crazy numbers in melee spot atm, and this needs fixing. Not Acuity, or not Elemental Weapon (i don't even know why people point to this amazing skill) or not magicka light attacks. Because non of these aspects give any similar results to these ridiculous numbers in any other class.

I hope that does it.

Sorry, but really, I cannot fully agree.
Yes, if magblade overperform in pve something will need to be done, but destroying an unique and skill-dependant combo is definitively not a good idea. NB actually have a NB-ish timed bursty pve gameplay, something we barely see in the whole ESO lifetime. If ZOS destroy the combo, Nb will be reduced to pseudo-sorc again or even worse, generic magicka build and gameplay.

themaddaedra · April 2018

RoyJade wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

This is why the way to fix 70k self buffed parses is fixing this combo. I don't know if i am explaining my point as i intend here, magNBs are going crazy numbers in melee spot atm, and this needs fixing. Not Acuity, or not Elemental Weapon (i don't even know why people point to this amazing skill) or not magicka light attacks. Because non of these aspects give any similar results to these ridiculous numbers in any other class.

I hope that does it.

Sorry, but really, I cannot fully agree.
Yes, if magblade overperform in pve something will need to be done, but destroying an unique and skill-dependant combo is definitively not a good idea. NB actually have a NB-ish timed bursty pve gameplay, something we barely see in the whole ESO lifetime. If ZOS destroy the combo, Nb will be reduced to pseudo-sorc again or even worse, generic magicka build and gameplay.

That's a whole another discussion. I get your point, and i believe every single person in these forums asked for a seperation for PvP and PvE updates at some point. I would love to see it worked around without damaging the class in PvP, but that's neither my point nor concern here.

I'm only pointing to this combo because too many people seem confused about Summerset magicka dps. As if anyone with Elemental Weapon and Acuity could pull 70k+ single target. That's just wrong as it goes, and it's only melee NB what can do that.

VilniusNastavnik · April 2018

This is now a nerf sorc thread.

Sixty5 · April 2018

I'll point out that the parse you see in the video is heavily cheesed.

The person pre-buffed using Powerful assault and Jorvulds guidence.

Cheesing dummies isn't the be all, end all in balance either.

NyassaV · April 2018

Everyone's DPS is going up due to the light attack changes

Gilvoth · April 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Everyone's DPS is going up due to the light attack changes

^ this ^
quoted for truth and basic knowledge.
we all are growing in damage output, give time and you'll see the same type videos for all classes.

Maulkin · April 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Everyone's DPS is going up due to the light attack changes

No ship, Sherlock. Next thing you're gonna tell me about the 30 extra CPs too. The question is, is it going up evenly for everybody?

From Morrowind up to Dragon Bones, MagBlade's been the only class that could maintain a light attack weave rotation all throughout a boss fight. Everyone else had to heavy attack.

If that hasn't changed, guess which class would be benefitting more from the changes to LA and HA?

MalakithAlamahdi · April 2018

reprosal wrote: »

Haha. Warden and Templar pretty much don’t exist in PvE now and with minor fracture being covered by sunder, templar is even more in the ground.

What is this Templar you speak about?

lucky_Sage · April 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Magika shouldn't do as much dps as stamina. Magika = better survivability and range

Stamina = more risk high reward

Where is the range on magdk

ccfeeling · April 2018

NyassaV wrote: »

Everyone's DPS is going up due to the light attack changes

Agree , but sometimes people just focus on specific class and skills , keep to ask nerfs , sounds bad !

Maryal · April 2018

One problem with these videos that I see is that you cannot tell if they are running ability altering weapons, nor can you tell what armor sets they are using, monster sets, enchantments, etc. So, is it the class that is so great, or is it a build (armor, weapons, jewelry, enchants, etc) that that is enabling the user to get these numbers? If it's the build, then perhaps other classes can use the same or similar build to get similar numbers.

That being said, I think most of us know by now that it's pretty easy to cheese up dummy parses.

Savos_Saren · April 2018

Aliyavana wrote: »

Magika shouldn't do as much dps as stamina. Magika = better survivability and range

Stamina = more risk high reward

Someone should pass that note to StamWardens and StamBlades in PVP. Apparently, they didn't get the memo.

ecru · April 2018

Magblade is way ahead. My guild wants me to play my magblade (and every other dps in our raid) for cloudrest. My stamdk main is parsing about 44k on the 6m atm, which isn't even close and has no execute so dps sub 25 is garbage compared to every class with an execute.

Bloodthirsty is currently overperforming compared to other jewelry traits. Either infused has to get buffed, every class has to get an execute, or bloodthirsty has to be nerfed for there to be balance between classes with executes and classes without.

This is just one issue. There are other issues (psijic line) that I'm too lazy to talk about atm.

There needs to be incentive to play melee, and incentive to play a class without an execute. Right now there is zero incentive, especially in Cloudrest where ranged will be much better than melee in general.

We already had one trial that basically required all ranged and it's honestly really disappointing we're getting another that doesn't require it, but strongly prefers it. Melee needs pretty huge buffs in terms of dps while in melee to actually be useful again.

Capt_Morgan · April 2018

themaddaedra wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most builds from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

I am not noticing any 60kish parses -any 50k+ parses, more accurately- apart from NBs. As magsorc, my best efforts also ended up 49-50k for both petsorc and non-pet sorc.

I understand it's mostly about dummy cheese, but when too many people put it that way i believe it's gonna end up ZoS nerfing stuff for all magicka classes, which i don't think we want at all

MagBlade gets minor berserk in a self buff dummy, so even your 50k would become a 54k parse not counting the Multiplicative of bloodthirsty 60% being applied which grows berserk exponentially instead of additive right now. Also a lot of the crazy high cheese parses are done with an acuity proc right at execute while wearing all blood thirsty. Try getting a parse with an acuity proc and all bloodthirsty jewels while light atk weaving mage wrath.

GeorgeBlack · April 2018

Complain to your local Pve Guild Leader

ccfeeling · April 2018

Oops...

Juhasow · April 2018

Kreshja wrote: »

Saw this on Youtube, keywords: Summerset PTS, Self-Buffed, Magblade, 3M Dummy, 70.9k DPS!!!
https://youtu.be/f9_kidQ2gHU

Searching for more Summerset DPS/PTS videos on Youtube will yield:
DK: a few magDK videos around 42k-45k DPS;
Sorc: a few magSorc videos around 43k-47k DPS;
Templar: N/A;
Warden: one magWarden video with 42k DPS (using Bear Ult);
Nightblade: most videos are lower than 70.9k but all above the 50k mark and sit around mid 50k~60k.
There is a lack of Stam DPS parses.

Nightblade benefits from the LA buff so more consistent with the hard hitting Spectral Bow, while having 2 class dots and 1 Desto dot, then an execute with fast animation and high number, all on top of good utility skills such as Siphon Attack for sustain, Merciless Resolve and Soul Harvest to even boost damage by a fat margin.
On the lower end of the spectrum, it seems that the buff to LA and having Psijic order new skills make magWarden more viable but still can't compete with other classes.

If LA becomes the norm main spammable as the core damage skill, all classes will become very similar in terms of playstyle, except maybe DK still using whip with more utility and class dots are also close range, but may opt for LA if need to range DPS, and pet Sorc may still be an option for content except endgame hardcord trial runs, thus killing the fun of playing different classes. I think instead of tweaking numbers, some skills or even class like Warden need to be redesigned in terms of the mechanics so that each class is more unique in its own way and each skill is more useful.

In Summerset every class on stamina or magicka can pull around 50k+ on 3M dummy and with amount of cheesing like on the video above , even 55k+ . Mag nb is simply one of the best if not the best for 3M dummy cheesing in Summerset. The amount of cheese and tricks used in that 70k parse that will work only for that parse is huge and I think most people dont realize that.

That doesnt change a fact that yes magblade is slightly overperforming and it would be nice to see some tuning down for Merciless Resolve , Impale or Death Stroke.

Aliyavana · April 2018

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Magika shouldn't do as much dps as stamina. Magika = better survivability and range

Stamina = more risk high reward

Someone should pass that note to StamWardens and StamBlades in PVP. Apparently, they didn't get the memo.

Pve parse, pve discussion

DoctorESO · April 2018

Pffft! 70.9k parse? If you don't have at least a flat, solid 71k, you're off my trials team! Got no time for trash DPS like that!

ccfeeling · April 2018

Juhasow wrote: »

Kreshja wrote: »

Saw this on Youtube, keywords: Summerset PTS, Self-Buffed, Magblade, 3M Dummy, 70.9k DPS!!!
https://youtu.be/f9_kidQ2gHU

Searching for more Summerset DPS/PTS videos on Youtube will yield:
DK: a few magDK videos around 42k-45k DPS;
Sorc: a few magSorc videos around 43k-47k DPS;
Templar: N/A;
Warden: one magWarden video with 42k DPS (using Bear Ult);
Nightblade: most videos are lower than 70.9k but all above the 50k mark and sit around mid 50k~60k.
There is a lack of Stam DPS parses.

Nightblade benefits from the LA buff so more consistent with the hard hitting Spectral Bow, while having 2 class dots and 1 Desto dot, then an execute with fast animation and high number, all on top of good utility skills such as Siphon Attack for sustain, Merciless Resolve and Soul Harvest to even boost damage by a fat margin.
On the lower end of the spectrum, it seems that the buff to LA and having Psijic order new skills make magWarden more viable but still can't compete with other classes.

If LA becomes the norm main spammable as the core damage skill, all classes will become very similar in terms of playstyle, except maybe DK still using whip with more utility and class dots are also close range, but may opt for LA if need to range DPS, and pet Sorc may still be an option for content except endgame hardcord trial runs, thus killing the fun of playing different classes. I think instead of tweaking numbers, some skills or even class like Warden need to be redesigned in terms of the mechanics so that each class is more unique in its own way and each skill is more useful.

In Summerset every class on stamina or magicka can pull around 50k+ on 3M dummy and with amount of cheesing like on the video above , even 55k+ . Mag nb is simply one of the best if not the best for 3M dummy cheesing in Summerset. The amount of cheese and tricks used in that 70k parse that will work only for that parse is huge and I think most people dont realize that.

That doesnt change a fact that yes magblade is slightly overperforming and it would be nice to see some tuning down for Merciless Resolve , Impale or Death Stroke.

Strife and Twisting path are already huge nerfed . Impale minor nerfed .
What now ? Merciless Resolve , Death Stroke ? You serious ?

Sorc and DK HA build are simple and effective , I wish my Magblade just drop all DOT and HA .

Vaoh · April 2018

Nestor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most classes from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

You say most classes. Which class specs in particular weren’t hitting that mark?

I will leave that to you to figure out.

Also, I should have said builds because to me, a Stamblade is a different Class than a MagBlade. Most people consider those builds but that is not really true.

Wait why? I’m on console so I can’t just figure that out. I have to ask people I trust to test for me.

Nvm I guess

Maulkin · April 2018

Vaoh wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most classes from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

You say most classes. Which class specs in particular weren’t hitting that mark?

I will leave that to you to figure out.

Also, I should have said builds because to me, a Stamblade is a different Class than a MagBlade. Most people consider those builds but that is not really true.

Wait why? I’m on console so I can’t just figure that out. I have to ask people I trust to test for me.

Nvm I guess

He means MagBlade

themaddaedra · April 2018

Capt_Morgan wrote: »

themaddaedra wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

I was sitting next to Alcast and Woeler and Xynode during the content test and I was seeing Parses of 65K to 72K across most builds from them. They started in the mid 60's and by the end of the day were hitting 72K regularly.

I won't mention my Parses, because, well, I won't.

I am not noticing any 60kish parses -any 50k+ parses, more accurately- apart from NBs. As magsorc, my best efforts also ended up 49-50k for both petsorc and non-pet sorc.

I understand it's mostly about dummy cheese, but when too many people put it that way i believe it's gonna end up ZoS nerfing stuff for all magicka classes, which i don't think we want at all

MagBlade gets minor berserk in a self buff dummy, so even your 50k would become a 54k parse not counting the Multiplicative of bloodthirsty 60% being applied which grows berserk exponentially instead of additive right now. Also a lot of the crazy high cheese parses are done with an acuity proc right at execute while wearing all blood thirsty. Try getting a parse with an acuity proc and all bloodthirsty jewels while light atk weaving mage wrath.

? What am i missing here? I would pull 54k instead of 50k, thus it's ok for NBs to pull 70k?

And everyone knows about Acuity procs at execute. I too had my share of it and it's nowhere close to 71k.

I'm tired of explaining the obvious over and over again now, either you just can't see the problem or you are purposedly trying to manipulate it. One thing is for sure, it's not gonna go live like that. Class fanaticism won't help save those parses to live. So if you don't want nerfs to unnecessary points i suggest putting the problem down accurately. And the problem is obvious.

Stibbons · April 2018

Templar DPS is so abysmal you do not even renounce it?

Juhasow · April 2018

ccfeeling wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Kreshja wrote: »

Saw this on Youtube, keywords: Summerset PTS, Self-Buffed, Magblade, 3M Dummy, 70.9k DPS!!!
https://youtu.be/f9_kidQ2gHU

Searching for more Summerset DPS/PTS videos on Youtube will yield:
DK: a few magDK videos around 42k-45k DPS;
Sorc: a few magSorc videos around 43k-47k DPS;
Templar: N/A;
Warden: one magWarden video with 42k DPS (using Bear Ult);
Nightblade: most videos are lower than 70.9k but all above the 50k mark and sit around mid 50k~60k.
There is a lack of Stam DPS parses.

Nightblade benefits from the LA buff so more consistent with the hard hitting Spectral Bow, while having 2 class dots and 1 Desto dot, then an execute with fast animation and high number, all on top of good utility skills such as Siphon Attack for sustain, Merciless Resolve and Soul Harvest to even boost damage by a fat margin.
On the lower end of the spectrum, it seems that the buff to LA and having Psijic order new skills make magWarden more viable but still can't compete with other classes.

If LA becomes the norm main spammable as the core damage skill, all classes will become very similar in terms of playstyle, except maybe DK still using whip with more utility and class dots are also close range, but may opt for LA if need to range DPS, and pet Sorc may still be an option for content except endgame hardcord trial runs, thus killing the fun of playing different classes. I think instead of tweaking numbers, some skills or even class like Warden need to be redesigned in terms of the mechanics so that each class is more unique in its own way and each skill is more useful.

In Summerset every class on stamina or magicka can pull around 50k+ on 3M dummy and with amount of cheesing like on the video above , even 55k+ . Mag nb is simply one of the best if not the best for 3M dummy cheesing in Summerset. The amount of cheese and tricks used in that 70k parse that will work only for that parse is huge and I think most people dont realize that.

That doesnt change a fact that yes magblade is slightly overperforming and it would be nice to see some tuning down for Merciless Resolve , Impale or Death Stroke.

Strife and Twisting path are already huge nerfed . Impale minor nerfed .
What now ? Merciless Resolve , Death Stroke ? You serious ?

Sorc and DK HA build are simple and effective , I wish my Magblade just drop all DOT and HA .

Yes I am serious. I can also support my seriousness with some tests I've maded on PTS which I dont think so You did.

From purely PvE perspective Strife have decent replacement if it comes to dmg as You can see on parse in the video and if it comes to healing , increased cost seems fair change and deserved nerf which isnt "huge" though. Twisting Path is also far from beeing "huge nerfed" and still pulls decent DPS , one of the best from all other classes ground AoE's. Assasin's Blade in both moprhs is the strongest execute in the game. Cheap , strong , instant cast , starting at 25% with instant 300% dmg buff , easy to weave and when it comes to Impale also range.

So Yes I do think that slight tuning down of Merciless resolve , Impale or Death Stroke would be on place.

My advice for You is to go on PTS test all magicka classes and then come back with some constructive feedback . For now You're looking just like one of those "no because no" people.

ccfeeling · April 2018

Sorry , I am on console , I can't even test myself ...

You guys are awesome !
I will be happy if I can hit 50K with my magplar and magdk .

HuawaSepp · April 2018

ccfeeling wrote: »

Sorry , I am on console , I can't even test myself ...

You guys are awesome !
I will be happy if I can hit 50K with my magplar and magdk .

I can recommend the magDK since you can do a 16sec rotation. After some training you can do it without looking at the cooldowns.
It might not be the maximum dps rotation but it's not that far away.
Like I said, magDKs are getting 55-60k dps on the 3M dummy with only ele drain support.
With my Magblade I got 60k so magDK isn't that bad (without the imbue weapons skill)

Bigevilpeter · April 2018

Biggest problem is Warmachine and Mechanical accuity works perfectly with NB's skills specially the very good low cost ultimate.

These sets are what's making NBs so good. I guess making the assasination Ulti cost 100-120 ulti might fix that, but that is a big hit for NBs in PvP

Bodycounter · April 2018

HuawaSepp wrote: »

I can recommend the magDK since you can do a 16sec rotation. After some training you can do it without looking at the cooldowns.
It might not be the maximum dps rotation but it's not that far away.

What do you mean with the 16 second rotation? I started playing a magicka DK on console, but im not sure, what rotation you are referring to?

HuawaSepp · April 2018

Bodycounter wrote: »

HuawaSepp wrote: »

I can recommend the magDK since you can do a 16sec rotation. After some training you can do it without looking at the cooldowns.
It might not be the maximum dps rotation but it's not that far away.

What do you mean with the 16 second rotation? I started playing a magicka DK on console, but im not sure, what rotation you are referring to?

Go to
https://alcasthq.com/eso-magicka-dragonknight-build-pve/
and look at the skills.
You got 3 skills with ~16sec and 3 skills with ~8sec.
That means you do it exactly like:

1 <= Beast Trap
ws
2
4
1
ws
4
2
3
3
3
3
3
ws
1
ws
4
2
3
3
Restart

If you are low on magicka you do one Heavy Attack instead of 2x3.
One skill you do like

Pressing LMB down
Pressing Skill button down
Release LMB
Release Skill button
=> and the 4 actions above you have to do in 1 second in a best case scenario.